Shadowforge Bushmaster vs Bow of Searing Arrows
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Sogeking / Deeps
Ok so you are wrong in that it does still apply in PvP and BGs, but you're right that it's basically inconsequential. But .2 crit and .2 hit are still better than nothing.
Poster really took to your meme though I gotta say lol. Are they going to farm arrows too ?
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Frostform
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I'm just saying you haven't worked out all the variables. And yes, farming arrows I do that because that is part of my gold farm route on my rogue. You can get about 2-3 mithril nodes and 1-2 iron nodes in uldaman, and 1-2 locked mithril chest, if you go into kill the dwarfs, ravelosh, madien, and grimlock. You'll average close to 35g+ a hour. But i got side tracked, explosive arrows gets put into the game 1.13, so the first update patch they do they will most likely be implemented. To ignore .20 crit and .20 and saying it not noticeable, is completely wrong. You have to assign that into the weapons damage. Just to put it in perspective you need 53 agi get 1% crit as a hunter at level 60, I don't know what the conversion is 39. But you'd have to factor that it, which it would be close to an increase of close to 21.2 atk power, You'd have to do the same thing for hit rating value for attack power, which is 1% hit is equal to 18 attack power, which brings that value to 3.6. That's just shy of 25, but we'll say 25 to make number easier for right now, attack power that isn't being calculated. Show me where I'm wrong here. so if you were to do the math actually with the weapon formula for a troll using the bow with 550 attack power the values change to actually 575 as their, same for dwarfs if using the gun. Which would bring the damage value of the BoSA for troll hunters to 189.89, and for dwarfs 197.60. Also I hate you all for making me have to do all this math and research. But yes that added attack power from the weapon skill does have value. and changes them. So again even if you would use say the razor arrows instead of the farmed arrows, the value would then be 185.89, which means BoSA is BiS for Trolls. I can show you were I found all my numbers if you'd like too.
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Sogeking / Deeps
"This build Sims higher" "Bowskill matters" is this Strokes trolling us lol?
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this is the best troll I've seen in a long time, hats off
[doublepost=1576196601,1576196506][/doublepost]also why would anyone dedicate their time to prove that that X is bis for troll when troll hunter is a meme to begin with
[doublepost=1576196601,1576196506][/doublepost]also why would anyone dedicate their time to prove that that X is bis for troll when troll hunter is a meme to begin with
Frostform
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If your breaking the weapons down to AEP (agility equivalency points) everything has an assigned value. If you actually have something that you can weigh in on with your numbers, I'd gladly take a look at them, and work the math. But like i said sitting here just typing LoL and calling people trolls, really isn't helping the matter. I guess everyone is a tough guy on the internet
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I promise to get you theorycraft numbers soon, just out of town and drinking atm. I also have both equipped at home and will happily get some target dummy numbers after finishing a few other twinking priorities. Off the cuff though I predict that .2 crit is worth about 2 AEP @39.
Frostform
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@ Andris this is the same hunter. I just had to come here and put the math out behind the bow for a troll hunter. Also don't forget to mention here also who had more killing blows, less deaths, and honorable kills then you in that match. I but I guess that just means I know how to play a hunter better then you, has nothing to do with the bow. But yes; to solve the mystery for ya. But I do enjoy theorycrafting so I wanted to come here and work the numbers and see what it has to offer, to see you posting here just validates its a little bit. Just a smidge, also, its completely week sauce to randomly message someone just to being a douche, then put them ignore total BM. I bet your best come back in high school was "I know you are but what am i.".
[doublepost=1576197260,1576197169][/doublepost]@ outofspace what is the agility needed for 1% crit at 39, I couldn't find that information anywhere, It would help a lot so I could work the numbers again. But 18 AEP is 1% hit btw
[doublepost=1576197260,1576197169][/doublepost]@ outofspace what is the agility needed for 1% crit at 39, I couldn't find that information anywhere, It would help a lot so I could work the numbers again. But 18 AEP is 1% hit btw
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All I remember rn is that 10 agi got me .7 crit.
Andris
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Did this guy just try to flex killing blows in a match? You know how much that DOESN'T matter, right? Someone could do 99% damage to a player and another comes in with an instant and gets the KB credit.
Did you also know that I cap'd a flag? I queue'd solo and was holding the flag with my stam set? I miss out on KBs and HKs when playing the objective lol.
You know someone doesn't know wtf they are doing when they have to go with "WELL I GOT MOAR KBS DEN YOU" strategy. edit: also a big LOL to that "i bet when you were in highschool diss". pathetic.
Did you also know that I cap'd a flag? I queue'd solo and was holding the flag with my stam set? I miss out on KBs and HKs when playing the objective lol.
You know someone doesn't know wtf they are doing when they have to go with "WELL I GOT MOAR KBS DEN YOU" strategy. edit: also a big LOL to that "i bet when you were in highschool diss". pathetic.
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You're doing this in game? Because wowhead and sixtyupgrades are very very wrong about their crit scaling. In game I promise you 10 agi is giving around .7 crit. Much more favorable.
Frostform
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BoSA (troll) = 188.19 (Weapon Damage+Ammo)+(Racial Bonus+550AP*atk spd/14)
( 67.5 Average+11.5 ) + (3.6+12.6+550) 566.2*2.7 / 14)
Bosa (All other) = 173.55
SFB (Dwarf) = 195.78
SFB (All other) = 179.91
[doublepost=1576198804,1576198635][/doublepost]I was just removing pieces in game, I took off Nordic Longshanks x 2 8agi, Ring of the underwood 10agi, and Wing of the Whelping +4 agi enchanted +3agi - Dropped my crit down from 12.33 to 11.30 for ranged crit
[doublepost=1576198874][/doublepost]thats between 32-33 agi =1% crit I had a typo earlier
[doublepost=1576199254][/doublepost]Also if you want to add racial bonus in for orcs, you can do that just add a 0 in, cause their racial doesn't add to ranged attack power, its only melee AP, but for arguments sake in case people don't remember how to do this its simple too. Take the bonus gained say its 105 ap then divide it by the CD-UP time, so (105ap)/(120-15)=1, it would add 1 atk power effectively to your toon in this scenario.
( 67.5 Average+11.5 ) + (3.6+12.6+550) 566.2*2.7 / 14)
Bosa (All other) = 173.55
SFB (Dwarf) = 195.78
SFB (All other) = 179.91
[doublepost=1576198804,1576198635][/doublepost]I was just removing pieces in game, I took off Nordic Longshanks x 2 8agi, Ring of the underwood 10agi, and Wing of the Whelping +4 agi enchanted +3agi - Dropped my crit down from 12.33 to 11.30 for ranged crit
[doublepost=1576198874][/doublepost]thats between 32-33 agi =1% crit I had a typo earlier
[doublepost=1576199254][/doublepost]Also if you want to add racial bonus in for orcs, you can do that just add a 0 in, cause their racial doesn't add to ranged attack power, its only melee AP, but for arguments sake in case people don't remember how to do this its simple too. Take the bonus gained say its 105 ap then divide it by the CD-UP time, so (105ap)/(120-15)=1, it would add 1 atk power effectively to your toon in this scenario.
