Shadowforge Bushmaster vs Bow of Searing Arrows

That math feels pretty fast and loose (clean up those brackets!) And doesn't appear to include ammo types. I'm also not willing to get behind your active racial eq attempts, best to leave those out.

However if you are trying to compare racials, good luck convincing folks that anything comes close to Hardiness.
 
the ammo types I was using from the post prior, best currently available which would be piercing arrows, and mithril slugs. The way I came up with the aep equivalents was take 1% crit=32.5agi=65AP, so we know that weapon skill adds about .2 crit; and .2 hit. The 18 ap = 1% hit was from metagoblins videos. But I'd imagine it could possibly be high because at a lower level hit rating goes up higher in terms of damage, cause of how it pushes misses and such off the table. But 18 seemed about right, cause even looking at old wiki formulas for AEP, it has it valued at .13% per - 2rap. But we know that we get .2 crit and .2 hit from the racial skills, so they should be factored in while doing the damage formulas because they are part of the weapon damage when determining which is better, but just to clarify I'm not trying compare racial skill. I'm just trying to quantify them into the formula. The other thing that I haven't even tried to do yet is quantify the damage proc into the formula, even though it can break CC, when your looking at the overall damage of a weapon it should be calculated. People choosing to leave it out, is just being biased.

Also only reason why I rolled troll instead of Orc was cause of nostalgia purposes, Orc by far is the better choice for pvp, but I think there can be a case made for all races. Even if you look at the starting base stats per class, trolls start with 25 agility which is 5 higher then orc and 7 higher then Tauren, again not saying that trolls are better then one or the other, i'm just pointing out difference. Pretty sure everyone agrees flat out 100% resisting a stun is just too good at times.
 
Ok I understand where you are coming from better, specially if there's a nostalgic element. Only thing I can say until next week when I can do my own testing is that you can't assume anyone else would bother with farming arrows. I would recommend doing the math with Razer Arrows and use those numbers for persuasive purposes.
 
BiS is BiS. You can't just go with "well its annoying to farm these arrows so you can't use them."
Not saying at all that he's right, but he has a right to use uldaman arrows in his comparison. It's like saying PoD isn't BiS because it's costly.
 
The Pendulum's a once-and-done deal though while the Arrows are a neverendless huge pain in the fucking ass (unless you get guys to farm you batches of 10,000 a pop, but that will probably end up clocking you far more than a PoD ever would).
 
Doesn't matter. BiS is BiS. That is the comparison, just because someone doesn't want to farm them, doesn't mean you can't use them in your comparison. Takes about 5 minutes to farm 900 arrows.
 
yeah ur probably the guy who'd refuse to play 19s without feathered arrows :^]
 
You're not making any sense really. Feathered arrow is BiS. It is. It has more DPS, but its 1000000x harder to get a constant flow of them comparing to uldaman arrows.
BiS means... Best in Slot. What is the best in that slot? That is the question. You can stop making your "but I don't wanna!" posts because that doesn't make it right.

Again, it takes 5 minutes to get 900 uldaman arrows. You are comparing them to a one time stack of 200 arrow from a lvl 35 quest.
 
Yes, they're on an entire other order of magnitude of cancer.
However, the point is, using either is usually not sustainable.
It's like using a PoD that breaks and vanishes every other game. See where this is going?
 
Again... what arrow is BiS for a 39 bow hunter. Just because you're lazy doesn't mean a higher dps arrow isn't BiS.

I know you don't want to admit that a better arrow isn't better than a weaker arrow, and it's rather hilarious that you're going that route.
 
Now you're just putting things into mine mouth.
 
You're projecting that uldaman arrows can't be used in a BiS comparison because you are too lazy to farm them. You are implying that. If I'm wrong then tell me

Whats BiS.... Uldaman arrows or razor arrows?
 
"This build Sims higher" "Bowskill matters" is this Strokes trolling us lol?
If I was gonna troll I'd do it in less words. It's too perfect lol

Edit: If you're seriously going to farm 1000arrows an hour for every four hours you spend playing your hunter you're autistic.
 
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If you would not have been on sick leave when they taught you reading comprehension at school you would've noted that I haven't made a claim about either being (not) BiS.

I was merely remarking on the validity of the claims that using Feathered Precision Arrows is in fact, a logistical nightmare.
 
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You were attempting to counter my argument with a "it's annoying to farm" which is what OutOfSpace was trying to state.
You also reaching pretty hard when using feathered arrow as a comparison to an actual farmable arrow.

Here is an example... people who raid buy flasks. These flasks average at about 100g EACH on the server. A 12 minute mara run can average about 50g an hour. That's 2 hours of farming for a 2 hour flask of use.
When comparing the game time it takes to purchase a single flask for 100g, I can farm 4320 arrows. Instance lockouts can make it annoying, but I don't play my main so I can just log on, spend 5 minutes of my time and walk out with 900 arrows every hour.

This is WoW, and WoW classic, where things often take longer in general. Uldaman arrows are most definitely a viable farming reagent.

All I was implying was that you most definitely can use uldaman arrows in your math for BiS. Not this preference "im lazy so it no count" logic.
 
In premades, maybe. And in 2005.

Quite besides, if you have to farm for gold instead of playing the AH, you're a fucking hopeless case in any way, so there's that.
 
Damn, admin going all out with the angry insults lol. Guess this twink forum isn't really about BiS, but what's convenient.
 
Failing at basic reading comprehension yet again, I see.
 
"you're a fucking hopless case"
"you have terrible reading comprehension"

Nah, you're just are in denial. All I stated was that these arrows were BiS and you went against my claim. Maybe not saying they aren't BiS, but you were obviously implying that they are hard to farm and not viable.
 
Not saying at all that he's right, but he has a right to use uldaman arrows in his comparison.

And dicking around with macros to no break scatter... but who really wants to do all this for a fraction of a DPS increase in a situation that doesn't revolve around DPS at all but burst, ability, and awareness? Arguing over nothing. PvP isn't PvE.

edit- if someone wants to use the silencer, good for them - no one will actually be able to verify the difference beyond broken scatters. The difference isn't THAT different... so argue over BiS that no one will ever be able to prove situationally.
 

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