Shadowforge Bushmaster vs Bow of Searing Arrows

[Selaya]

Again, putting things into mine mouth.
I never said they wouldn't be BiS.

 

[Andris]

You can choose not to use the macro. I was there to show that there is the option to avoid it from breaking scatter. Annoying? Yes. Viable option? Also yes.
You can't sit there are try to downplay my testing. What works... works.

Who knew so many people here are all "but I don't wanna!" mentality in their reasoning.

 

[Warglave]

Annoying? Yes.

 

[Andris]

Selaya, read my post again. I literally said "maybe you're aren't saying they are not BiS..." What words did I just put in your mouth there?

 

[Warglave]

All I stated was that these arrows were BiS and you went against my claim. Maybe not saying they aren't BiS, but you were obviously implying that they are hard to farm and not viable.

 

[Andris]

I've had enough arguing. This site isn't about BiS twinking, I guess.

I'll just leave it as this...
39 Bow Hunters = Uldaman arrows are BiS
You can avoid the proc on scatter.

There isn't any argument with this. These are facts.

 

[Warglave]

Well they never said what you claim they said, they just said it's a pain in the ass and you're two pages along now.

 

[Andris]

Ok I understand where you are coming from better, specially if there's a nostalgic element. Only thing I can say until next week when I can do my own testing is that you can't assume anyone else would bother with farming arrows. I would recommend doing the math with Razer Arrows and use those numbers for persuasive purposes.

[doublepost=1576208603,1576208524][/doublepost]Here you can see someone saying that you shouldn't use the uldaman arrows in your BiS comparison. This is what sparked the conversation in the first place.

 

[Warglave]

yeah.

anyone else would deem it too annoying.

how does that say anything youre claiming? It's a pain in the ass that only some anal twat is obsessed with arguing.
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Here you can see someone saying that you shouldn't use the uldaman arrows in your BiS comparison.

for persuasive purposes.

 

[Andris]

That's totally fine if someone finds it too annoying and doesn't want to do it. Doesn't mean you can't use these arrows in your BiS comparison. That's the point of the post. What's BiS. Not what's BiS to my preference.

 

[Warglave]

he never said you cant.

let's see here....

If you would not have been on sick leave when they taught you reading comprehension at school you would've noted that I haven't made a claim about either being (not) BiS.

 

[Andris]

Yeah, you're right. He didn't say they weren't BiS, but he budded into the conversation in support of OutOfSpace, or at least it seemed that way. He was literally arguing that they aren't viable to use and they are.

 

[Warglave]

Practical would be my take... but I wasn't sick on reading comprehension day.

 

[Andris]

Just saying that I can farm over 4k of those arrows in 2 hours of game time. Not hard to do. People make it out to be harder than it really is. Hearth is in Kargath anyways.

Don't have to kill a single trash mob. Kill the 1 dwarf and run out. 1 minute of time.

 

[Warglave]

The difference isn't THAT different... so argue over BiS that no one will ever be able to prove situationally.

 

[Andris]

Rather odd claim as others have said "gun is BiS hands down". I'm just trying to see what the truth really is, because you are saying something completely different.

 

[Andris]

Yeah, these minimal differences won't really make a difference. It's just fun to have a conversation on figuring out what's BiS and what's not. That's all it is.

 

[Warglave]

Im saying that neither one in YOUR hands is going to make a difference. Unless you botch your macro.

edit- also saying what I said on the first page:

Ugh... have fun farming those arrows.

[doublepost=1576210102,1576209757][/doublepost]Before you get all butthurt and defensive (too late)… im saying that no one is going to notice a difference, unless they're super cool and can weave between autos "better" with the SFBM. But situationally there's zero difference.

And one's a pain in the ass.
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Yeah, these minimal differences won't really make a difference. It's just fun to have a conversation on figuring out what's BiS and what's not. That's all it is.

Then don't get so upset and defensive. Just have fun.

 

[Outofspace]

How do you quantify movement between auto attacks? How do you quantify burst vs sustain? How about fiddling with a macro vs playing as intended? How about time farming vs PvPing?

You can't. This is why BiS is and always has been a cheeky term open to some unquantifiable interpretation.

In terms of arguments made by someone who rolled a Troll and happens to favor BoSa as well as needing a 60 who can efficiently farm arrows, those subjective elements are on full display.

Let's also remember that this is the same person who began their sales pitch with the idea that +Bowskill gave 3% hit. We can all imagine trying to argue from that premise and being pushed into doubling down once exposed.

 

[Andris]

Now this is weird, because it went from SfBM is BiS to "it's subjective"