class viability debate lol

Dear Frogturtle,

As a new rogue player i just have to say how much i love and respect how much you help us noobs. Without you, I would probably be some random scrub who plays diablo 3 xd. First I would like to say i only listen to Pink Floyd not linkin park :p. Also, since I am just a lowly rogue player, what should I do if my bad skills make me miss my cobalt bomb? Since rogues are so weak rn i really need your guidance to be able to one shot these healers.

With love and admiration,

Staborslice.
alright 1st of all here is wut u do if u miss frag bomb skip song until u hit comfortably numb and then fast forward 2 second guitar solo now i need u to look at that healers cast bar and when he casts heal DONT KICK IT YET HE WILL JUKE then he will cast again and then u will listen 2 the power of the floyd and the song will guide u 2 the perfect kick and then u can crit for 14 billion dmg and 1 shot him

gl
 
alright 1st of all here is wut u do if u miss frag bomb skip song until u hit comfortably numb and then fast forward 2 second guitar solo now i need u to look at that healers cast bar and when he casts heal DONT KICK IT YET HE WILL JUKE then he will cast again and then u will listen 2 the power of the floyd and the song will guide u 2 the perfect kick and then u can crit for 14 billion dmg and 1 shot him

gl

Sweet thanks, after reading this post i became rank 1 and pink floyd came to my house and signed my monitor.

Wish they wouldve wrote smaller or not in the middle of the screen though...
 
Sweet thanks, after reading this post i became rank 1 and pink floyd came to my house and signed my monitor.

Wish they wouldve wrote smaller or not in the middle of the screen though...
sry i meant 2 sign on the back
 
jwl, iirc warlock was untouched in TC 2018. I talked to people on the top teams and some of them were thinking about trying warlock, and ended up not doing it. they know that fear doesnt DR with other stuff and still chose not to run it. you're giving up too much damage by swapping out a mage or whatever to run warlock instead. it's not just about the individual class, it's about what it contributes to the comp. warlock did amazing damage in legion, but without that damage people wouldn't have played it as much or at all.

warlock is not top pick material atm. it's just sort of annoying and has health stones. that's it. even flamer, one of the best warlocks at 19 has been playing mage.

if people want to try out warlock for themselves then that's their choice, I'd encourage anyone to play what they like to play, but I would not tell them that warlock is a competitively viable class, at least right now.

Im not saying warlock is a top pick, you're completely misinterpreting the point I am trying to get across.

That screen says more about the boomkin than your warlock

that game was 1/1 that I have played yesterday, was the only SS I took. Speedpots is one of the worst druids in the bracket tho
 
Im not saying warlock is a top pick, you're completely misinterpreting the point I am trying to get across.



that game was 1/1 that I have played yesterday, was the only SS I took. Speedpots is one of the worst druids in the bracket tho
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All viable, just have their own little quirks and how much the player wants to invest finding them
Kthxbai
 
Unless this post is specifically talking about wargames then I feel as though I'd have to agree with Jwl, there is no point in playing classes just because they are the best when it comes to random battlegrounds. Play the class you feel most comfortable with, and the class that you won't get tired of playing. In the end, you will still contribute to your team more than any of the undergeared players in the match, just because a team ran a warlock, or a windwalker, or enhancement shaman should not cause your team to lose a random battleground. Just a little sense of coordination will play a lot larger of a role then playing FOTM classes.

However, if we are talking wargames, then yes, FOTM shouldn't be taken out of consideration, there is a reason every team ran the same classes in the twink cup, when it comes to competitive gameplay, where coordination is already a factor for all teams, having that one weak-link will really cause a huge impact on the team as a whole...

but the competitive scene really isn't much right now, play the class you want to play and keep queing, I'd find it fun to see more exotic classes running around in randoms. :3
 
Unless this post is specifically talking about wargames then I feel as though I'd have to agree with Jwl, there is no point in playing classes just because they are the best when it comes to random battlegrounds. Play the class you feel most comfortable with, and the class that you won't get tired of playing. In the end, you will still contribute to your team more than any of the undergeared players in the match, just because a team ran a warlock, or a windwalker, or enhancement shaman should not cause your team to lose a random battleground. Just a little sense of coordination will play a lot larger of a role then playing FOTM classes.

However, if we are talking wargames, then yes, FOTM shouldn't be taken out of consideration, there is a reason every team ran the same classes in the twink cup, when it comes to competitive gameplay, where coordination is already a factor for all teams, having that one weak-link will really cause a huge impact on the team as a whole...

but the competitive scene really isn't much right now, play the class you want to play and keep queing, I'd find it fun to see more exotic classes running around in randoms. :3
I think Wargames was the intention of the post.

Pretty much seemed like a "Hey, you should play x because it's FOTM this meta. Don't play y, you won't be as good as if you played x." type thread.

Only with that pondboy flair.
 
I think Wargames was the intention of the post.

Pretty much seemed like a "Hey, you should play x because it's FOTM this meta. Don't play y, you won't be as good as if you played x." type thread.

Only with that pondboy flair.
I thought it was directed to new twinks, in which case I feel I agree more with Frog, just to get a feel for how things work. Your first twink may be an outlaw but that doesn't mean you won't have fun with like enhance later on, you know? It's more fun to branch out when you've got an idea what you're dealing with even in pugs.

That said, I don't disagree with jwl. In pugs, you can play whatever you want to good success. If you play your class well, then you'll be a valuable asset to any group of scrubs.
 
No matter who it's directed to, the emphasis of playing FOTM as priority was pretty clear.
 
No matter who it's directed to, the emphasis of playing FOTM as priority was pretty clear.

Well then in that case, Frogturtle has this all wrong, FOTM gets old quickly, especially if every BG is filled with 6mages, 4 druids, 3 rogues and 2 discs. I'd rather encourage people to play what sparks their interest.
 
The point I've been trying to get across is that you can contribute as any class. Either in Wargames or Random Battlegrounds. To claim that certain classes are of no use in either atmosphere is just wrong and untrue.
Have I once claimed that warlocks are stronger and/or of more use in this bracket than mages? No. Although, Having literally NOTHING in the bracket on the same DR table as fear, and being able to do 600+ burst damage does put warlock in the conversation, people are just too braindead and stuck in their trends to realize what everything is capable of.
 
you guys seem to believe for whatever reason that any class can make anything happen in a pug, which justifies a new player who may some day want to be competitive investing the next 6 months of practice in that class.

I want you to get comfortable with the following idea:

in any given meta, there are classes/and or specs that are so heavily burdened by their disadvantages, that it is a net loss to your team to run them AT ALL in pugs AND premades in comparison to a stronger pick

this statement does not equate to only playing FOTM which some of you seem to think is what I'm saying, event though I've said like 45 times that non top-tier classes like spriest and MM can actually get really good results in games.

windwalker is absolute garbage. it is a strictly worse version of mw in every regard except disable. disable is a fine ability, but does not compensate for windwalker's disadvantages. this means that playing a windwalker provides more disadvantages to your team than advantages, hence it is a NET LOSS to play windwalker.

warlock has fear. fear is really good. healthstones are really good. warlock is also completely immobile and its burst is very underwhelming compared to other classes. warlock MIGHT be okay to run IN SOME CASES because of fear, but is generally weaker than it is strong, and will therefore generally provide a net loss to your team.

shadow priest has a huge bubble and mind flay. these are ridiculously strong abilities especially in organized play. shadow priest can probably win games in the right hands despite not having good heals. this means spriest is probably viable even though it isn't FOTM and therefore it's okay to invest time in the class.


not all classes/specs are viable. we shouldn't con new players into maining trash.
 
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you guys seem to believe for whatever reason that any class can make anything happen in a pug, which justifies a new player who may some day want to be competitive investing the next 6 months of practice in that class.

God forgive somebody playing a class they enjoy, instead of something extremely faceroll. How do you expect a new player to learn the ropes & get better at the game if they main a skill-floor class such as balance druid or arcane mage? I've played the game since early TBC and started twinking in WOTLK, I know for a fact a tier 3 or 4 spec can make a huge impact in a pug, they just need to be in the right hands. You keep talking about "encouraging/justifying new players" but nobody is doing any encouraging besides you; I am simply claiming that a non-FOTM spec can be impactful in different situations.

I want you to get comfortable with the following idea:

in any given meta, there are classes/and or specs that are so heavily burdened by their disadvantages, that it is a net loss to your team to run them AT ALL in pugs AND premades in comparison to a stronger pick

this statement does not equate to only playing FOTM which some of you seem to think is what I'm saying, event though I've said like 45 times that non top-tier classes like spriest and MM can actually get really good results in games.

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Im sure you have no frame of reference as to how endgame PVP works, but CC is the KEY.
We are talking about a bracket with 0 sources of dispel outside of trinket, so that makes every CC extremely valuable.
If you can force a healers trinket with cheap shot (or sap, knowing 19 twink players...) then follow it up with a 6 second fear, there is no reason you shouldn't be able to get a pick, resulting in the upper hand during a team fight.

8 seconds leaves you out of combat, which could result in a 2nd sap as well. (follow it up with a polymorph and you just kept the healer out of a fight for 8 more seconds...)

You're inclined to believe that there are more pros than cons with this class, but at the end of the day, getting picks is the name of the game, and if you can synergize crowd control, you'll dominate the playing ground and consistently have the upper hand in a competitive atmosphere. You argue that warlocks burst damage keeps them out of the discussion, even though they can instantly do 600 damage Between a CB/CFG/EF, which is 50% of the average twinks health.

not all classes/specs are viable. we shouldn't con new players into maining trash.

As far as I'm concerned, you've been in the twink community for a month or two, doing nothing but trolling. You are the LAST person who should be spilling any advice on any topic, inside or outside of this game. I think its great how you make an effort to promote your bracket, but stay in your lane until you actually break things down and earn some credibility. Not all specs are viable, but the majority (even the underdog ones) are in this bracket. If someone wants to play class X over class Y, let them. If they so chose they have every right to create another character and venture further.

I hope your pond is connected to the Dalaran sewers, because you need to hope in the arena & get some insight as to how PVP works.
 

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