20s Dragonflight enchants

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  1. Jaco

    Jaco Member

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    As I understand the consensus on this website is that the most likely date is 15 Nov.
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    Does anyone have recommendations (other than the ones already posted, thanks) on specific weapon enchants for any specific class with the new DF talents or more general recommendation(s)? I'm interested in 20's, mainly for PVE.
    E.g.
    Crusader vs Elemental Force
    Major Spellpower vs Elemental Force
    Dancing Steel vs Elemental Force
    Mighty Agility vs Superior Impact vs Elemental Force
    for different classes?
    Since I can't test them, my guess is maybe Elemental Force for classes with heavy multiple target DoT dmg and Crusader / M Spellpower for single target instant dmg classes?
    Crusader used to be a no-brainer but not any more in DF as per previous posts.
    I'll have multiple weapons where I can, one with each enchant, but some of the weapons are unique so can only have one.
     
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  2. CroyeTchor

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    If you like PVE,
    Druid is a mixed case.
    On one hand Ele force is cool and procs often due to the nature of Druid dealing lots of small hits but it quickly loses values compared to other fast-attacking classes because you can skip most of the trash with cat form
    The +13 attack power is also pretty good and I feel like I downing bosses faster this way but the overall power increase we should see in Dragonflight makes static numbers less attractive due to them being a smaller percentage of our attack/spellpower
    Sadly I don't have any numbers to give you cuz I use Skada and it still doesn't work ); so it's basically just how it felt to me

    For Resto Shaman (got damage buffed by 20%, *happy Shaman main noises*) I think Major spellpower beats ele force since you fire off big nukes (really big nukes) of around 1800 damage on a crit for a lighting bolt on my meh-geared orc with the orc racial of +15 intellect.

    Ele force is your go-to for Demon hunter since most of your single target damage comes from auto-attacks. I think I used to have 12% of my DPS coming from it on bosses but it's been 2 months since I last did a dungeon with my DH so I vaguely remember the numbers.

    Aaaaand I'm not gonna say more on the other classes because I play them much less. Also kinda hyped to try the BFA weapon enchants.
     
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  3. Jaco

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    Many thanks for your insights, I can see the passion there. :slight_smile:
     
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  4. CroyeTchor

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    Np anytime man :)
     
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  5. OP
    Bakedaflol

    Bakedaflol The Arthritic Arch-Druid

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    Warriors, Paladins, DKs will want to have Rivendare's Blade with Crusader enchanted before the 15th. Dragon's Call and/or Ironfoe for 1 hand users aswell.

    Enhance wants to have an Ironfoe enchanted with Eleforce aswell.

    For druids, Ele, SP I can say for sure that the same goes for Blade of Eternal Darkness, with Ele Force.

    Alot of Enchants loses power and can be overlooked in several slots without it being doomsday.
    But weapon enchants stay very strong. So this is a must.


    Also yes! The 15th is 99,9999% the date where this takes effect, since that is when pre-patch phase 2 starts.
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    WoD WF gear will not be gf'ed! None of the epic gear will be, unless there are outliers in other Xpacs that I am unaware of.
    The gear just won't be enchantable after the 15th when the item level change hits.
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    Flask:
    -Alchemist's Flask = 7 main-stat

    -Greater Arcane Elixir = 10 SP and 3 Crit.

    -Elixir of Mongoose = 8 Agility and 3 Crit

    -Elixir of Fortitude = 60 hp.

    Classic Cooking:
    -Juicy Bear Burger = 3 intellect.

    -Smoked Desert Dumplings = 4 Str.

    -Grilled Squid = 2 Agi.

    -Mightfish steak = 2 stam.

    -Lemon Herb Filet = 1 Vers.

    Oils & stones:
    - All Wizard Oils, Sharpening & Weight stones are GF'ed due to our high itemlevel weapons.



    I'll add this to the OP
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    I've added an additional info paragraph to the OP, since the questions in the thread stray abit out from the main-topic.
    Wich is no worries, since I have the means to test things properly, I don't mind providing much needed information.

    I've added Pots/flasks/food/oils section, aswell as correct item level information. I'll be adding things to the additional information tab, as I'm answering questions in this thread.
    So don't be hesitant to skim through the OP again whenever you revisit the thread :)
     
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  6. CigNus

    CigNus Bracket Tourist 20s Coordinator

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    This is an annoying as fuck change. Not to fill an informational thread with bullshit but it's actually ridiculous that they can't just scale things correctly. :Sadge:

    Great research and information Baked :PeepoGlad:
     
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    Bakedaflol The Arthritic Arch-Druid

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    I agree, ngl.
    Luckily most enchants will be outdone with 1 gemslot, since the stats they give scale so much lower than before.
    And as I mentioned earlier, the big exceptions are Satyr and (for some classes) Weapon enchants.

    Ranged Hunters and Holy Pala are good examples on classes that won't be affected much, since the post BFA weapon enchants will do great.

    It'll do us more work and less gold drain eventually, if it stays this way. Wich was always fine by me. But I have a feeling we are gonna have a lot of saltybois who missed out on gf'ed stuff regardless x)
     
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    Sign me up for saltyboi membership.
     
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    membership is free and open. just keep finding any excuse to bring up ilvl 49 artifacts 2 years after the fact.
     
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  10. sector3600

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    I'm not in the Beta/PTR but this week patching during the Korrak's Revenge/Solider of Time event as a F2P 20, the flask effect was DISABLED when I went into the BG and being pseudo lvl 60 - it would not work! Equally other non-healing potions had a lvl requirement still said I was too high or low to use them.
     
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  11. Iøve

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    I've heard about Mage Tower items dropping ilvl120, is this also going to GF'd or is it only available AFTER the patch? Do you have any information on this and whether we should be or even can get gear from here and enchant it before phase 2 release?
     
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  12. Coolzo

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    My apologies for the misunderstanding, I was the one who saw you in front of Strat. What I meant by my hasty comment is that on beta, the Mage Tower challenges cause your gear to scale to iLvL 120, therefore I believe we can expect that enchant iLvL requirements will *eventually* be adjusted in a similar manner. Weather it happens before phase two or not... I can't say. So if you have the nervosa, enchant your gear now before the patch.
     
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  13. icehawk

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    I noticed on my Blood DK that Fallen Crusader was slightly better than Crusader. Seems because of the higher ilvl and higher Str it pushed it slightly ahead of Crusader.
    Even the heal was better because of the health pool. This can be done post the 15th if required.
     
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  14. Warglave

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    My 20 fury warrior soloed ZF easily, tho slowly, due almost entirely to crusader procs off whirlwind. Have it on something as a backup, IMO... even for maybe rogue/enh/monk for soloing? I havent tested it and baked might chew me out again. :oops:

    Unless there's a better heal proc hidden somewhere in the OP that I apparently havent read since it posted 3 weeks ago.

    Let me guess, BFA/SL have one and I didnt read WoW. :KappaW:
     
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    Bakedaflol

    Bakedaflol The Arthritic Arch-Druid

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    For Fury there is nothing else but Crusader. Im sure one could look for some replacement, but with how good Crusader is for both utility and output, its not worth it to change.

    I used to have Crusader on the Feral druid artifact, when soloing as Guardian druid. It was fine, since my guardian build is half-assed. But it ain't optimal at all
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    This has always been the case
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    Added this ^ thats giga
     
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  16. Jaco

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    Any caster dmg class and specialisation that would benefit more from major spellpower than ele force on blade of eternal darkness paired with satyr?
    I'm wondering I should probably use m spellpower for destr lock for big chaos bolts. However, overall dmg may drop compared with ele force if all damage is taken into account.
    Also ele force seems to be better for affliction and demonology.
    Probably ele force for all mage specs, def. balance and shadow priest.
    Probably elemental force for BM monk, mighty agility for WW and surv hunter?
    Do you reckon the weapon dmg booster enchant (called superior impact if I remember correctly) will still be best for feral?
     
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  17. Iøve

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    We cannot enchant blue items with this such as Electrocutioner's Lagnut which is one of the BiS items depending on the set you're running. What is the suggested enchant for a ring like this that cannot use Accord of ____, and will we need to have it enchanted before Tuesday or are ALL ring enchants doable after?
     
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    Anyone know if Mark of the Trained Solider Rank 2 still drops for a F2P 20?

    Been farming the PVP mobs in Stormheim/Highmountian since last patch and not seen it drop yet. Learnt Rank 1 and my DK character does not have Rank 3 in inventory.
     
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    Bakedaflol The Arthritic Arch-Druid

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    Post launch means after 15th. With the new item level scaling, it will be applicable and our go to
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    I wish I could answer that. But I've mostly been a p2p pleb, and full time since SL launch.
    But if you feel iffy about it, I'd say its safe to say that Satyr is like Ele force and will always be a great choice for almost any class.
    Same cannot be said for enchants that give flat stat, when it comes to permanent outcome. Since they do tend to change alot with every squish or new introductions to TW-content.

    I usually would not use an argument like that as my reasoning for why someone should make a choice, but given the 'permanent' type of situation we got going, I felt it was okay to put it out there :PeepoGlad:
     
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  20. Dragonstormy

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    It hurts not beeing able to get Satyr on my main char in time. I hope we get some new good neck enchants with DF.
     
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