Weapon Effects and Theorycrafting

[Warglave]

Check my original statement ... it does have an ICD

45-60 secs according to wowhead comments

Ok... check mine. It took 5 minutes to get ONE. The FIRST ONE.... i wasnt waiting on the ICD on the first proc.

And even if it refreshed the cooldown on log-in there was still 4 minutes AFTER that it didnt proc. It's not a 5 min ICD.

edit- and i noticed you had to "alter" your recollection on it once you checked, so that pretty much sums that up.

I dont care that you misremembered, I still dont like it without an ICD (which it has, i guess)

 

[Hashbrowns]

and don’t forget the 2 piece set bonus.

not entirely convinced the stun resist actually works, either. Andre and i tested it for like half an hour and i didn’t resista single stun. That meta is literally just there for the crit

So let's assume you go steady in either helm, so you trade 2 sockets (6 strength or 12 stamina/8 armor) for 10 crit. Closer but yea, I think Hope is better.

 

[Warglave]

I'd like to rescind my "grind" comment, just realized it's from Epoch Hunter. Yeah fuck that place. Go for triple socket.

edit- although I'm sure "Chops the drops" got it on his second run....

 

[Chops]

So let's assume you go steady in either helm, so you trade 2 sockets (6 strength or 12 stamina) for 10 crit. Fairley close then.

yea id run triple talasite in hope bearers, but im tanky enough as is. Ill take the 10 crit and the longshot hope that they fix the meta

which theyll probably do right after they fix venomstrike

 

[Warglave]

Or backtracking

Yep, i wasnt baggin on that, just offering that it's easy to remember things a little biased sometimes.

It's not gonna be a good fit for me, doesnt mean it's not for others or not BiS... just not BiS for me.

Plus you get to keep your sanity by avoiding that Doomplate grind lol

That's what most of us do... if i was gonna go that way I woulda compared trash packs to spamming WW on a dummy.

But i didnt. Cuz this is good conversation.

I'm glad you like the 3 socket.

I dont... just want a different meta. Im gonna try the brutal one next, see if the proc works and if it's gonna be a bad thing.

 

[toskosa]

I am baffled that venomstrike is still broken, like how hard is it to fix this item? I personally prefer the triple socket helms myself over the emta gems.

 

[mirrorbender]

Personally I don't see how it would be worth running anything other than https://www.wowhead.com/item=9394/horned-viking-helmet?ilvl=25&bonus=6710 for a plate helmet. It's such a huge x-factor.

 

[Hashbrowns]

yea id run triple talasite in hope bearers, but im tanky enough as is. Ill take the 10 crit and the longshot hope that they fix the meta

which theyll probably do right after they fix venomstrike

Chops whats the name on that meta gem btw? TY

 

[toskosa]

Personally I don't see how it would be worth running anything other than https://www.wowhead.com/item=9394/horned-viking-helmet?ilvl=25&bonus=6710 for a plate helmet. It's such a huge x-factor.

Well in a random bg team fight say you use it on an enemy healer, odds are some leveler is going to break it instantly. for 1v1's and coordinated games I could see it being really good.

 

[Chops]

Chops whats the name on that meta gem btw? TY

no idea. I’d look it up but my computers down for the count.

Its from the apexis shard event though, if you look up that vendor

 

[mirrorbender]

Well in a random bg team fight say you use it on an enemy healer, odds are some leveler is going to break it instantly. for 1v1's and coordinated games I could see it being really good.

For mobility challenged melee classes, just the fact that it's an extra 30 yard gap closer is sooooo invaluable.

 

[DeLindsay]

For mobility challenged melee classes, just the fact that it's an extra 30 yard gap closer is sooooo invaluable.

ONCE, every 3 minutes, can't swap it out once in Combat and it can stun you as well, GG.

 

[mirrorbender]

ONCE, every 3 minutes, can't swap it out once in Combat and it can stun you as well, GG.

Yup, and it's all worth it.

 

[Warglave]

Or you could just try to learn to play better.

Not you per se, but i would try to get better at awareness and positioning before relying on a 3min cooldown that stuns me.

 

[mirrorbender]

If I'm not going to be in any positions where an extra charge is really really good, then we're probably farming and I'm fine with missing out on 3 gem sockets. If I am in a position where it is useful, give me the charge every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Sure I can play fine without it, but why would I?

 

[JadeFire]

Since we are talking about procs (some related below):

I'm still fleshing out my Enhancement Shaman. But, Desolation Gear 4 piece has to be BiS or VERY CLOSE.

With the 2 piece buff you can basically look at the pants as having +19 critical strike and +10 haste... even with out gem slots that is pretty nuts.

You lose 3 gem slots on the pants, but the Heroic Resolution buff +22 agility is up a solid 2 times per minute so +22 agility basically 30 seconds out of 60 seconds (if doomplate is similar there is no way that set is not BiS). IT ONLY TRIGGERS ON Melee attacks... Auto/Stormstrike/Lavalash/Windfury/Flametounge can all proc it, or any extra attacks.

For the record: I ran Escape from Dump-hold 40ish times to get chest to drop... I boosted myself though Shattered Halls for the Gloves 22 times... the best luck I had is that the pants dropped from Skettis Halls on my first run... apparently that is the worst grind... so props to me for being awesome.

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I am still working on what weapons to use.

There seems to be 4 avenues you can go. If I had i49, they are BiS... please don't argue against it, any of that dumb shit is over with, they are BiS for any class.

But I don't so:

Haste Proc: Bladefist and Blackout... the procs are really low. Black out 2ISH per minute, Bladefist is once per minute ISH, just does not seem worth it to me. Elemental force enchants.

Extra attack Proc: Ironfoe and Flurry Axe with the Extra attack Trinket... this looks better to me than haste, I'll probably use this on and off. Elemental force enchants. Again tho, i don't like the proc frequency... this just seems to me to be more of a raidboss setup where I'm going full ham for long damage.

The one I think I like the most is Mok Headcracker mainhand with +4 weapon damage and Claw of the watcher off hand with +6 agility (you could use Blackout here for the proc, but I'm just stacking crit for big boy hits). Mok Headcracker mainhand gives you a 50 point damage boost to almost every ability (including Elemental Bast, LB, FS, and FlmS) because of the slow weapon speed... plus it takes the WF/FT proc damage up by 5-10 on each attack... that is huge. I also like this because Elemental Blast can crit for 900-1000.

Cudgel of Naralax off hand DECREASES your damage (on ALL abilities) if you use it instead of the Claw. So I can only conclude that a slow speed weapon only matters MAIN HAND... not off hand, at least at 20.

 

[toskosa]

Since we are talking about procs (some related below):

I'm still fleshing out my Enhancement Shaman. But, Desolation Gear 4 piece has to be BiS or VERY CLOSE.

With the 2 piece buff you can basically look at the pants as having +19 critical strike and +10 haste... even with out gem slots that is pretty nuts.

You lose 3 gem slots on the pants, but the Heroic Resolution buff +22 agility is up a solid 2 times per minute so +22 agility basically 30 seconds out of 60 seconds (if doomplate is similar there is no way that set is not BiS). IT ONLY TRIGGERS ON Melee attacks... Auto/Stormstrike/Lavalash/Windfury/Flametounge can all proc it, or any extra attacks.

For the record: I ran Escape from Dump-hold 40ish times to get chest to drop... I boosted myself though Shattered Halls for the Gloves 22 times... the best luck I had is that the pants dropped from Skettis Halls on my first run... apparently that is the worst grind... so props to me for being awesome.

***

I am still working on what weapons to use.

There seems to be 4 avenues you can go. If I had i49, they are BiS... please don't argue against it, any of that dumb shit is over with, they are BiS for any class.

But I don't so:

Haste Proc: Bladefist and Blackout... the procs are really low. Black out 2ISH per minute, Bladefist is once per minute ISH, just does not seem worth it to me. Elemental force enchants.

Extra attack Proc: Ironfoe and Flurry Axe with the Extra attack Trinket... this looks better to me than haste, I'll probably use this on and off. Elemental force enchants. Again tho, i don't like the proc frequency... this just seems to me to be more of a raidboss setup where I'm going full ham for long damage.

The one I think I like the most is Mok Headcracker mainhand with +4 weapon damage and Claw of the watcher off hand with +6 agility (you could use Blackout here for the proc, but I'm just stacking crit for big boy hits). Mok Headcracker mainhand gives you a 50 point damage boost to almost every ability (including Elemental Bast, LB, FS, and FlmS) because of the slow weapon speed... plus it takes the WF/FT proc damage up by 5-10 on each attack... that is huge. I also like this because Elemental Blast can crit for 900-1000.

Cudgel of Naralax off hand DECREASES your damage (on ALL abilities) if you use it instead of the Claw. So I can only conclude that a slow speed weapon only matters MAIN HAND... not off hand, at least at 20.

Offhand only gives damage to moves that use your offhand weapon like flamelash and offhand stormstrike along with offhand melee white hits. I personally am leaning towards claw as well it just hasnt dropped for me yet.

 

[Boognish]

Chops whats the name on that meta gem btw? TY

https://www.wowhead.com/item=32640/tense-unstable-diamond

 

[Warglave]

But, Desolation Gear 4 piece has to be BiS or VERY CLOSE.

Can you get it at 20? Helm is in Black morass and pants drop of Anzu in sethek... can we get Anzu up in normal?

Plus it says they are level 30 req (heroic) but i guess that could be 20 if you can get it to spawn in normal.

edit- i see you said you got the pants, just making sure you were talking about 20 too.

 

[JadeFire]

I'm wearing it right now, you just cant get the helm.

Chest is from Escape from Dumbhold.

Gloves are The Shattered Halls... which you can't que for, but you can still just run/boost though

Legs are from the last boss in Skettis halls (this is basically a Mythic McDouble go fuck yourself drop). The only reason I even tried is because I'm super cool and it just magically dropped for me.

Shoulders are from the Slave Pens.

I tested Blackout and Bladefist again.. that proc is not even once per minute... I just don't see how a 1+ per minute proc can be justified in pvp (outside of Lawls). I'd rather just hit big all the time with Headcracker/Claw.