Weapon Effects and Theorycrafting

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  1. DeLindsay

    DeLindsay 10s4Lyf

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    What about Ironfoe? Seems like it'd be good for both Fury and Enhance. Maybe pair it with Hand of Justice?
     
  2. Gixxer66

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    Have they fixed Hand of Edward the odd ? Never ever had it proc on a caster before, maybe different on say a H Pala. That's based on using it on a old 60 Disc Twink though WoD > BfA
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    I use Ironfoe on my 25 WW Monk farmer with one of the 3.6 speed weapons in the other hand, Ironfoe definitely does proc.
     
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    HoJ just doesn't seem worth it even on enh :( this was something I was really excited to test as well. Ironefoe and Flurry axe both have 2ppm according to Wowhead.
     
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    Chops Soccer Dad Moderator

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    It's fun on fury but mostly for the "Im a dwarf and I have iron foe" RP nerdshit. Cudgel is better.
     
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    Got my 2nd https://www.wowhead.com/item=28311/revenger?ilvl=25&bonus=6710 and went back to Orgrimmar to do some testing. Proc rate seems to be 1PPM on the old PPM system. 1000 auto attacks gave me 42 procs, which is very close to the 4.3333% that would be expected from the 2.6 speed. There is no ICD, If I spam spinning crane kick on multiple dummies, it just keeps on proccing.

    The off hand seems to only proc off of auto attacks for monks, so you don't gain all that much by having a second one in the off hand. You also don't get any procs on ranged attacks, in case you were wondering. Overall it seems to slightly outperform ilvl31 WW artifacts.
     
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    On my Destro Lock I'm using https://www.wowhead.com/item=17780/blade-of-eternal-darkness?bonus=6712 https://www.wowhead.com/item=13353/book-of-the-dead?bonus=6712 https://www.wowhead.com/item=13382/cannonball-runner?bonus=6710
    Here is the dmg report from Violet Hold (Legion) I just finished. Been running with these items for about a week now.
    Most skeletons I've had summoned at once is 4 and 3 cannons.
    https://imgur.com/a/4WMdtFa

    On my Rogue currently DW https://www.wowhead.com/item=10847/dragons-call?bonus=6712, haven't played much on her yet. Did a few dungeons and same as with skeletons on my Lock, had 4 dragons up at a time at most. They spit poison and iirc each spit hits for around 55 dmg. I don't remember how many times they spit before despawning, but they did just over 3% of my total dmg. Pretty fresh Rogue gear wise and don't now if the poison dmg is static or scales.

    Both of these are lvl 20 characters.

    On my lvl 45 shammy I was excited to use both https://www.wowhead.com/item=11684/ironfoe?bonus=6712 and that trinket, but I rarely got any procs. I also tested https://www.wowhead.com/item=9478/ripsaw?bonus=6710 which procced more often than Ironfoe and for more dmg. Also testing https://www.wowhead.com/item=9639/the-hand-of-antusul?bonus=6710, seems to proc decently. Not sure if Ironfoe scaled to lvl 45 procs less often, I think I read something about some other items proccing less on higher lvls.

    Was supposed to test https://www.wowhead.com/item=13401/the-cruel-hand-of-timmy?bonus=6710, but haven't gotten around that yet as I'm enjoying my lock the most atm.
     
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  7. DeLindsay

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    @Darkshade So the question would be, if you were to use a different OH or a Staff (you'd lose the cool factor) that has much higher Stats, would you do overall more damage as the Skeletons do pretty pitiful damage. Then there's the Trinket (again you'd lose that cool factor). If you swapped that with one that procs Haste as example, would your overall damage increase?
     
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    Most likely would do better dmg with different items. Haven't done the arti q yet so can't compare what the difference is. Using these for the "cool factor", but posted the screens so you can see how they perform.
     
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    You are gonna go down a path, make sure you go all in.

    "5 Haste Full Boat": The Blade Fist / Blackout Truncheon / Rezan's Gleaming Eye / Enraged Dimetrodon Fin / Thundering Skyfire Diamond.

    We are not looking for half-steppers.
     
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    0.75 second GCD Meta confirmed!
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 15, 2021 at 12:37 AM, Original Post Date: Jan 14, 2021 at 9:13 PM ---
    I'll ask here so as to not start a new Thread for what seems like a simple question.

    How does one sort Wowhead by items that have additional procs or chance on dmg/hit/cast/etc?

    I've tried "Chance on hit effect" / "Struck in combat effect" / "Additional damage" and "Cooldowns (seconds)" all to no effect. Even when I have the Level range including items I know as fact drop for that Level range, always comes up with nothing.

    I'm trying to find interesting/unique old school items like the Cloak that causes Fire damage when you take damage, Trinkets with interesting procs like Guardians that spawn to aid you for 'X' time period, Weapons with Equip procs, Boots with an on-Use Speed, etc. I know in Game I can just troll all Dungeon drops available to that Twinks' Level but that doesn't count the multitude of Quest rewards, Treasure items, randomly fished up flavor junk, Craftables, etc, that Wowhead HAS in it's database, I just need to figure out HOW to find it easier. Thanks.
     
  11. Warglave

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    Only filter that works that way for me is weapons. :mad:

    Did you try "effect text" at all? I try that one and the filter just disappears, showing everything.

    I got https://www.wowhead.com/item=3475/cloak-of-flames?bonus=6660 when filtering "damage shield"... that the cloak you meant? It was the only result.

    edit- only result for cloaks... trinkets come up fine with it.
     
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  12. DeLindsay

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    @Warglave Thanks. No I didn't try effect text or damage shield and yes that was the Cloak I meant. There's just so many optional gearing items available now that it's hard to remember where they all came from (12+ years ago) so I was hoping to use Wowhead to my advantage and speed up my Interweb trolling for l33t gearz.

    Also, if this TT is for real and if it procs with any decent frequency, it could be stupidly OP for Healers: Fist of Stone. TT shows me 97 Mana at 10.
     
  13. Warglave

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    I tried "flavor text" and it was too many too... but the thing i took away was the effect text option doesnt even work.

    I agree there's soooo much stuff I dont know exists, i dont know how wowhead got to be the main source for info. :(

    I was a thotbot junkie back in the day myself.
     
  14. Mahvet

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    When actiblizsion started bringing wowhead’s young girls on stage at BlizzCon and all the nerds went “REEEEEEE” for them...

    ON* topic; would https://www.wowhead.com/item=11920/wraith-scythe?fromClassic&bonus=6710 be comparable at all to the https://www.wowhead.com/item=28311/revenger?bonus=6710&ilvl=25 for non sword users?
     
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    Fist of stone doesn't currently proc sadly. I would imagine if it did proc it would be close to the trinket from scholomance in effect and proc chance (which would be quite good).

    Hopefully this changes, but unfortunately right now it's pretty useless.
     
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  17. Zerofoxtrot

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    Are you thinking Fist of Stone? I’m talking about the lifesteal mace from Sunken Temple.
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    Disregard... am idiot... thought you replied to me...
     
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    Too many fists flying around...
     
  19. Warglave

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    Doesnt scale for enh shaman in the dungeon journal so my guess would be no. I have them and can look later on.

    Revenger was pretty unique in still scaling, rivendare's is the only other wep i can think of off the top of my head.

    A lot of them scaled back when 59 was a thing, revenger probably snuck past that since I dont think 59 could get in.
     
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    I know this doesn't affect most people here but just a FYI...

    https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/item=175588/faewoven-cowl?bonus=7200:1507:6646 the 8 piece bonus works in BGS. At 29 the +60 primary stat scales down to +10 but the 5 x 450 heals do not scale down. The fae guardians are level 50 and two of them can spawn at once. The heal can crit for 900 and they will just randomly heal anyone, even people at full health. I had a game yesterday where they did 30 k healing and others where they only did 5k (due to overhealing).
     
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