Veteran guides / threads - Why are they in the F2P section

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From somebody who is also playing both a pure f2p account and a p2p account simultaneously for long periods, twinking f2p and veteran are actually very different. They should probably go in the 20-29 section since they fall within that range anyway, and thats where all the information about enchants/professions, and gear is.
 
Soldjah said:
Btw, not gonna argue this any further. We all got our own ideas on what's right and wrong, for me playing my linked F2P with looms is nothing wrong but it might be to you. But you can't say that the looms makes the difference the enchants does?

/love
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I don't mind segregating. But, you have to face facts:

Anyone who uses guild heirlooms...... is no longer a f2p.
You may not get as many stats as a veteran, but you are still getting a large chunk more stats than pure unlinked f2p accounts.
So in saying that, anyone who uses guild heirlooms should no longer post in the f2p section.

Which I don't agree with, and I think guild heirlooms are fine. But it ain't f2p anymore... you have paid for a linked account to gain those items... sorry.
 
Footman said:
I don't mind segregating. But, you have to face facts:

Anyone who uses guild heirlooms...... is no longer a f2p.
You may not get as many stats as a veteran, but you are still getting a large chunk more stats than pure unlinked f2p accounts.
So in saying that, anyone who uses guild heirlooms should no longer post in the f2p section.

Which I don't agree with, and I think guild heirlooms are fine. But it ain't f2p anymore... you have paid for a linked account to gain those items... sorry.
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So lets see, everyone who got linked acc, mount and whatever, are not f2p? Everyone that boosted themselves are not f2p? Tbh, if that's the case, I guess I'm the veteran without enchants then. Guess I'm doing this wrong...

PS, fixed gear, am I now allowed back into the club <3
Wtb 2x crusaders please. PM me
 
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leotseddap said:
Blues do not reply in minutes.
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Never said it was from it now. I googled wow veteran account battle.net and that was what I got.

Footman said:
I don't mind segregating. But, you have to face facts:

Anyone who uses guild heirlooms...... is no longer a f2p.
You may not get as many stats as a veteran, but you are still getting a large chunk more stats than pure unlinked f2p accounts.
So in saying that, anyone who uses guild heirlooms should no longer post in the f2p section.

Which I don't agree with, and I think guild heirlooms are fine. But it ain't f2p anymore... you have paid for a linked account to gain those items... sorry.
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We aren't talking about linked acounts though we are talking about people who upgraded their accounts but I do see your point.

But then again I use guild looms on some of my F2Ps because I thought it was the most amazing thing ever. Because most F2Ps have an active or inactive P2P account from some era of the game because thatäs's how they know of F2Ps I saw the opportunity to end the whining, I have whined on keefer RNG so much and alliance just run stocks once but here was the opportunity to get away from that age old agrument, I no longer have to be a part of it cause I don't have a stake in it.

Now it is true that heirlooms give more stats than most non heirloom items and I do realise that every F2P doesn't have access to it, but alot of them do and then there is a % of the bracket population that aren't F2P that has access to them, but then again we have always had a few more stats than those people. The people in dungeon blues, it's just a few points of stats that have always been there and I don't really care about the difference between the heirloom head and the eyepatch which is +1 agi + 2 stam + 12 haste and - 8 crit as a rogue, the eyepatch is probably even superior but the problem isn't that head it's the elemental force and the crusaders.

A few stat points have always been there wether it be from laziness from farming those rare boes or lack of knowledge where F2Ps got looms from but they do not really matter before the big bad wolves.
 
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tl;dr

Not going to waste my time with this lazy, ignorant, arbitrating muddying off the waters.

Give Vet a sub-forum or be sensible and lump them into the 20-29s forum.

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Soldjah said:
So lets see, everyone who got linked acc, mount and whatever, are not f2p? Everyone that boosted themselves are not f2p? Tbh, if that's the case, I guess I'm the veteran without enchants then. Guess I'm doing this wrong...

Wtb 2x crusaders please. PM me
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All my f2p's are still wearing goggles and dungeon cloaks and legs. My f2p's are more pure than your f2p's :p

Selling Crusader 100g each on Blackrock.

And yes. anyone with linked anything technically ain't pure f2p, since we are going into semantics. Boosted is still f2p if it isn't linked.
Also look at the several people who were f2p's but tricked GM's into opening mail for enchanted heirlooms the past few years. They are exactly the same as veterans. Which again, I don't mind if they get segregated. Filing specific information in the right place is fine.
 
Footman said:
All my f2p's are still wearing goggles and dungeon cloaks and legs. My f2p's are more pure than your f2p's :p

Selling Crusader 100g each on Blackrock.

And yes. anyone with linked anything technically ain't pure f2p, since we are going into semantics. Boosted is still f2p if it isn't linked.
Also look at the several people who were f2p's but tricked GM's into opening mail for enchanted heirlooms the past few years. They are exactly the same as veterans. Which again, I don't mind if they get segregated. Filing specific information in the right place is fine.
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Oh lord no! Got pure gear back on, so back rocking the f2p club again!

Well, better get some sleep instead of arguing this back and forth. I guess you're right in this case, I know when I've been proved wrong :) [MENTION=2126]leotseddap[/MENTION]
Ty guys for clarifying what you guys think as f2p. We'll see what mods decide to do.

PS, 100g is hella expensive for someone capped out at 10g :<
 
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Goesid said:
Never said it was from it now. I googled wow veteran account battle.net and that was what I got.
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I am clrearly seeing the answer to my question "I just did" which doesn't refer to the past but the present.

Why don't you try it now...

Soldjah said:
Oh lord no! Got pure gear back on, so back rocking the f2p club again!

Well, better get some sleep instead of arguing this back and forth. I guess you're right in this case, I know when I've been proved wrong
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leotseddap
Ty guys for clarifying what you guys think as f2p. We'll see what mods decide to do.

PS, 100g is hella expensive for someone capped out at 10g :<
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I do not mind you using that gear though. Hell I've made 2 new vets to play on my Starter Edition account (that one is italic for Goesid) in the last 2 days and stuffed my banks with so much, so hey I am guilty too.

Btw Soldjah, if you ever decide to activate a 10 day trial or the 7 day one w/e, I generate those enchants for free like I've always did and do for people out there. They don't cost me any gold. Sader and other enchants are fixed in no time. Thats the benefit of me not playing the game normal and went to get all the stuff that makes twinks :)
 
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Goesid said:
Not online but I'll send a ticket tomarrow, if I get a reply before the inevitable closing of this thread I'll post it hear and tag you if not I'll just PM you.
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I do not want your pm's nor want to be tagged by you. I am not your friend because I play 29s right?

If you just google it you can find the answer from a wow mvp who has contacts with the blues about the subject. No reason to make tickets for this nonsense.
 
Look I've lost track of whatever you two are actually arguing about, but, I just logged in to my Battle.net account and looked at my inactive subscriber account and its status is listed as "Starter Edition Account". Is that addressing your question?
 
Kincaide said:
Look I've lost track of whatever you two are actually arguing about, but, I just logged in to my Battle.net account and looked at my inactive subscriber account and its status is listed as "Starter Edition Account". Is that addressing your question?
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Well it shows you currently have starter account restrictions, but not the history or anything else. Which is fine.

You should make a poll thread Kincaide, anonymous voting so lurkers will happily vote, and options being:
-segregate completely true trials from vets, and vets from 21-29's
-Unite completely, everyone now posting in 20-29 bracket, can put vet / f2p / 29 tags
-Unite partially, guides now being the seperating sub-forums where useful differentiating information goes, and all general talk is about what actually goes on in the 20-29 battlegrounds or world PvP or whatever organized events are made.

I think this could be a useful gauge for you and the other mods / owner.
 
Footman said:
Well it shows you currently have starter account restrictions, but not the history or anything else. Which is fine.

You should make a poll thread Kincaide, anonymous voting so lurkers will happily vote, and options being:
-segregate completely true trials from vets, and vets from 21-29's
-Unite completely, everyone now posting in 20-29 bracket, can put vet / f2p / 29 tags
-Unite partially, guides now being the seperating sub-forums where useful differentiating information goes, and all general talk is about what actually goes on in the 20-29 battlegrounds or world PvP or whatever organized events are made.

I think this could be a useful gauge for you and the other mods / owner.
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We discussed this in the staff section. People are likely to vote based on their community identity, whereas we aim to organize the site based on best organization and access to information. Polls therefore won't necessarily reflect the best interests of the organization of the site, could be polluted by non-interested parties (or negatively-interested outside parties) skewing the results, and would imply a social contract with the admins that we either follow the results of the poll or we have "ignored the users". That's not how it works exactly. We're happy to have people talk about it, to a point, but in the end we're going to do what Shane, guided by our input, deems best.

Of the two options I've mentioned previously--those being to either have all the 20-29 in one forum, or to have Subscriber 20-29 and Alternate 20-29 forums--I'm definitely listening to people's written commentary on those two models.
 
Goesid said:
Never said it was from it now. I googled wow veteran account battle.net and that was what I got.



We aren't talking about linked acounts though we are talking about people who upgraded their accounts but I do see your point.

But then again I use guild looms on some of my F2Ps because I thought it was the most amazing thing ever. Because most F2Ps have an active or inactive P2P account from some era of the game because thatäs's how they know of F2Ps I saw the opportunity to end the whining, I have whined on keefer RNG so much and alliance just run stocks once but here was the opportunity to get away from that age old agrument, I no longer have to be a part of it cause I don't have a stake in it.

Now it is true that heirlooms give more stats than most non heirloom items and I do realise that every F2P doesn't have access to it, but alot of them do and then there is a % of the bracket population that aren't F2P that has access to them, but then again we have always had a few more stats than those people. The people in dungeon blues, it's just a few points of stats that have always been there and I don't really care about the difference between the heirloom head and the eyepatch which is +1 agi + 2 stam + 12 haste and - 8 crit as a rogue, the eyepatch is probably even superior but the problem isn't that head it's the elemental force and the crusaders.

A few stat points have always been there wether it be from laziness from farming those rare boes or lack of knowledge where F2Ps got looms from but they do not really matter before the big bad wolves.
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I see your points too, and the bad boys are the weapon enchants for sure.

But lets look at a pure f2p warrior maxed out with goggles, cloak of soldier, brilliant necklace, and 7 str 7 stam leggings, all of which are considered bis options for f2p's. (Many people fished countless fishing tournaments without fishing hat, and with scaling the goggles are damn near better for their scaled crit.

a f2p warrior with no enchants, but using guild heirlooms gains these stats in total over the pure f2p:
10 strength,
18 stamina,
16 haste,
9 crit,
30 armor,
plus a 399 health heal.

That's worth almost as valuable as a weapon enchant I'd say, and potentially will give even more of an advantage over weapon enchants.
So there is a definite power gap between pure f2p's and guild heir-loomed linked f2ps.
 
Kincaide said:
We discussed this in the staff section. People are likely to vote based on their community identity, whereas we aim to organize the site based on best organization and access to information. Polls therefore won't necessarily reflect the best interests of the organization of the site, could be polluted by non-interested parties (or negatively-interested outside parties) skewing the results, and would imply a social contract with the admins that we either follow the results of the poll or we have "ignored the users". That's not how it works exactly. We're happy to have people talk about it, to a point, but in the end we're going to do what Shane, guided by our input, deems best.

Of the two options I've mentioned previously--those being to either have all the 20-29 in one forum, or to have Subscriber 20-29 and Alternate 20-29 forums--I'm definitely listening to people's written commentary on those two models.
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Fair enough. (my view:) I think for maximum interaction and activity of discussion of this bracket, the best thing to do would be combine everyone (since we are all in the same battlegrounds/arenas), with the caveat that there are two seperate sub-sections for guides so people know exactly where to go to for specific gearing, class, and enchanting guides.

So under 20-29 bracket Forum, there would be a forum for f2p guide section (Where vets would get their gear info). 20-29 guide section (which would include the enchants for 20 vets). And people should just be encouraged to post relevant information only for the guides. Since most vet guides are the same as f2p we can use both guide sections for what we need.

Good luck,, I know it's tough and no matter what, there will be complaints. Just got to look for the greater good, which always involves sacrifice. Which way to sacrifice... I leave it to you guys :p
 
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