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thurghul
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allahkazam said:
Its a 2 edged sword:
The F2P accounts make the the lower level BG queues a LOT shorter. For people with a paid account, this is great! Blizzard is keeping the paying customers happy!
However, true "new people" trying the game and doing a BG to check it out, getting 1 shotted, rez, 1 shotted, so on and so forth...........They might think the game is stupid, then logoff and decide against subscribing. Having a F2P BG would appease this group and possibly get more people to subscribe. However, this would kill the queues times for the P2P twinks.
Tough decision on what group to keep happy.
allahkazam
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thurghul said:
i've seen the f2p twinks farm f2p actual new to the game players plenty before. it would be no better than BoA wannabes farming non BoA non geared players in xp on BGs.
Rivfader
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Posting from my phone so I don't have time for the formatting:
@allakhazam
Miss chance increases exponentially after a 3 lvl difference, against a 24, 20s have something like a 24% miss chance, that is pretty substantial. Not to mestion the reduced crit chance and the increased chance for spells to be resisted.
I'm not calling you, or anyone in MMB for that matter, bad. MMB is made up of mostly decent players so they shouldn't need the added advantage of 4 levels to compete. As for gear, it's not about the gear, it's about the enchants. Even a p2p 20 with enchants would be pretty stupidly OP.
If you, and the rest of MMB, really wanted competition you would roll f2p 20s and play on an even level with other players in the bracket. I could care less about the 24 guild from spirestone because they are so bad that they are not impossible to outplay even with their level, gear, enchant, and profession advantages. MMB dissapoints me though because I would expect capable players to be searching for competition instead of a faceroll fest.
@allakhazam
Miss chance increases exponentially after a 3 lvl difference, against a 24, 20s have something like a 24% miss chance, that is pretty substantial. Not to mestion the reduced crit chance and the increased chance for spells to be resisted.
I'm not calling you, or anyone in MMB for that matter, bad. MMB is made up of mostly decent players so they shouldn't need the added advantage of 4 levels to compete. As for gear, it's not about the gear, it's about the enchants. Even a p2p 20 with enchants would be pretty stupidly OP.
If you, and the rest of MMB, really wanted competition you would roll f2p 20s and play on an even level with other players in the bracket. I could care less about the 24 guild from spirestone because they are so bad that they are not impossible to outplay even with their level, gear, enchant, and profession advantages. MMB dissapoints me though because I would expect capable players to be searching for competition instead of a faceroll fest.
Nohealsforju
Legend
Med'an said:
I played against them twice once i lost the other i won because we had competent players on alliance. I played with them they were just MF farming most of the time. As i ran flags down... I died a lot since most of the paid no attention to the game which is Wsg.
C O T U S
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Rivfader said:
they DON'T WANT COMPETITION. he NEVER SAID A SINGLE TIME THAT THEY WANT COMPETITION. you literally ignore everything that everyone else posts and just post what is on your mind, regardless of how unrelated it is.
nobody who plays 20s is interested in "competition". you are all SOOOOOOOOOOO BAD that any kind of reasonable competition is NEVER going to happen unless it's in the arenas, between the 1% of this bracket that isn't legally retarded.
all we want is to HAVE FUN, and when the faction imbalance is SO ****ING BAD that horde cannot even REASONABLY PARTICIPATE IN BATTLEGROUNDS without starting to roll mass hunters, rogues, and 24s, we are going to do exactly that in order to be able to at least have fun while pvping in battlegrounds.
do you understand yet?
Rivfader
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C O T U S said:
You seem upset
F2p 20s has the potential to be the only bracket that isn't retardedly bursty, thus it offers the best chance at real competition as opposed to "loliglobalufirst".
Edit: To me, competetive games are fun. 24s don't make things competetive, they just turn 3-0 alliance games into 3-0 horde games. If, however, we had all those 24s rolling f2p 20s then the games would be more competetive and thus more fun. This of course assumes that you find competition fun, if you enjoy steamrolling people who have no chance then carry on.
allahkazam
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let's be honest as a ret pally i probably need at least a little ramp up time to global someone.
l30t53dd6p
OG
Eye patch is sooo goddam overpowered wich every class and specc can use.... right?
Rivfader
OG
Inkobah said:
They are connected though ink. People are using faction imbalance as a way to justify 24s. I'm pointing out that this doesn't actually balance the factions, it just tips the scales in the other direction. Rolling more f2p horde is far more conducive to the long term health of the bracket.
Inkobah
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Rivfader said:
Yeah I get that...was just trying to point out that he's accusing you of a lack of comprehension but he's all up in faction balance to the extent that he's missing your points too, which I am understanding just fine. The whole point is that we sometimes let our pet issues blind us...myself included.
Edit: I like the word 'point'
Yasueh said:
How do you figure?
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Pookums
Legend
So, I thought I'd roll Horde toons to try and even things out. I've been keeping a tally of wins vs. losses and coming up to about a 90% loss rate. Playing a healer is of course twice as frustrating as there is rarely anyone worth healing, not to mention getting focus fired to death the second I pop out to heal. This bracket seems to be all about burst damage, of course favoring rogues, hunters, and pallies.
I'd imagine that in the time it is taking me to grind out a single heirloom item Horde side, on Alliance I could have had 2 or 3. It has simply ceased to be a challenge and seems futile. I'm beginning to regret my decision to return to twinking and perhaps I'll walk away.
I COULD play my Alliance rogue and steamroll every game and "pwn all the noobs" like the rest of you are doing every game but I just can't imagine how that's even any fun. Do you folks Alliance side actually get off on that? Whatever, flame me for QQ'ing I don't really care. I would just simply like to see some evenly matched games. As it is I have seen exactly 1 game in which it seemed to be evenly matched and it was the most fun I've had in a long time. I miss the old premade vs. premade days... Guess I'll roll a pally so I can stun+exorcise+exorcise+win, hell I could roll my head around on my keyboard and be more skilled 80% of the Alliance hunters I have seen (on average 3-6 every game). /end rant
P.S. I personally don't see the 24's as being a game breaker, just the fact that there are WAAAY more twinks Ally side.
-Beef
I'd imagine that in the time it is taking me to grind out a single heirloom item Horde side, on Alliance I could have had 2 or 3. It has simply ceased to be a challenge and seems futile. I'm beginning to regret my decision to return to twinking and perhaps I'll walk away.
I COULD play my Alliance rogue and steamroll every game and "pwn all the noobs" like the rest of you are doing every game but I just can't imagine how that's even any fun. Do you folks Alliance side actually get off on that? Whatever, flame me for QQ'ing I don't really care. I would just simply like to see some evenly matched games. As it is I have seen exactly 1 game in which it seemed to be evenly matched and it was the most fun I've had in a long time. I miss the old premade vs. premade days... Guess I'll roll a pally so I can stun+exorcise+exorcise+win, hell I could roll my head around on my keyboard and be more skilled 80% of the Alliance hunters I have seen (on average 3-6 every game). /end rant
P.S. I personally don't see the 24's as being a game breaker, just the fact that there are WAAAY more twinks Ally side.
-Beef
Pookums
Legend
Encourage all you want, it's not happening... Still don't get how playing Alliance is even fun, sure as hell isn't any fun Horde side getting camped in gy nearly every game and having to stealth out to even have a chance. Grinding the 3500 honor for my loom staff has been painful and quite unsatisfying.
Medan
OG
Pookums said:
Winning 3-0 is actually not that fun. TBH its booring when one side is dominant and that usually is the Alliance.
I favor the 1-1 matches and the 0-1 / 1-0 matches and actually have had a lot of them.
I know I could have gone horde, and that staying alliance is lame off me, I actually tried to get some allys to go horde 3 weeks ago. But all my friends are alliance now and I don't have the time to gear up another rogue. Bad excuse perhaps, but it is the truth.
I especially wanted to reply to your post because of your struggle as a healer. It must be really frustrating. Yesterday I singled out a priest with 900 HP perhaps 3 times and I actually felt really bad by doing so. I do it because I saw him as a legitimate threat (was an extremely even match where we managed to get 1 flag in the end and win), still it must be really lame to be killed like that and ye, I felt for that dude and actually stopped.
All I can say is. It's no fun to steamroll, most of us don't actually get an erection by going 3-0. If you know any horde you could try to get a premade going, although its hard as f2p. I purposely do 95% of my games with a pug to limit the OP'ness of ally.
In the past 2 days Iv went from 90% win ratio to 30% because of horde is getting better and working together as a team (following the FC all the way, making an assassinate impossible) plus many small horde premades.
PS, I think all you people going horde are doing a GJ (not that saying that would change anything)
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