PTR Shadowland and FTP/Veterans

I updated the Death Knight entry.

I made the list just creating toons in the alpha, and looking at which ability would be available at 10. For some it's very easy, the allied races start at 10.


Now, I actually got a DarkIron DK to 10 ( Death Knights allied races start at 8, dunno why), and looked at what I actually have. No Rune Strike, it's a temp ability you get before you are able to specialize frost/blood/unholy. But, it doesnt seem like you get a builder at THAT point. Most likely because things are not finished.


I'll do a round of classes to check what it still holding up, when I have some more time.
 
@Reidor Hey, thanks for the all the posts about the beta.

Any chance you can confirm the range of mobs we're able to loot? For instance, can you loot mobs on Timeless Isle? Not being able to loot the nests is a real downer.
 
Margooya said:
So, not sure if there's a similar thread somewhere, but in case, here it is.


I assume lvl 20 toons will be reduced to lvl 10 in Shadowland, and that this will be the new FTP level cap. Now I haven't seen any confirmation of this, but it is a reasonable assumption.


With that in mind, I looked at all the skills available at lvl 10.

Warrior :
Charge, Execute, Hamstring, Pummel, Shield Block, Slam, Victory rush, Whirlwind.
Fury : Bloodthirst. Raging Blow at 12. Titan's grip at 14. Rampage at 19 :(
Arms : Mortal strike
Prot : nothing

DeathKnight
Anti Magic Shell, Mind Freeze, Death Grip, Death Strike, Runeforging, Death coil
Edit : No Rune Strike at 10; so no runic builder...
Blood : Death n Decay, Heart strike
Frost : Death n Decay, Howling blast
Unholy : Death n Decay, Festering strike

Paladin
Lay on hands, Crusader strike, Divine Shield, Shield of the righteous, World of Glory, Flash of Light, Judgment, Consecration, Hammer of Justice.
Retribution : Templar's Verdict
Holy : Holy Shock
Prot : Avenger's Shield

Shaman
Primal Strike, Flametongue, Earthbind Totem, Lightning bolt, Ghost wolf, Healing Surge, Flame Shock,
Elemental : Earth Shock (no lava burst(11)
Enhance : Windfury weapon (no Lava lash (11) or stormstrike (20))
Resto : Riptide

Hunter
Arcane Shot, Cheetah, Disengage, Exilaration, Freezing trap, Hunter's mark, Scare Beast, Steady Shot, Wing Clip. Seems like you can maybe unlock steel trap through your trainer?
Beast : Barbed Shot, Kill Command (no concussive)
Marks : Aimed Shot (No concussive (13))
Survival : Raptor strike ( no Kill Command (11) or sting (12))

Rogue
Slice n Dice, Cheap Shot, Poisons(instant), Vial, Sprint, Kick, Eviscerate, Ambush, Stealth, Sinister strike
Assassination : Garrote
Outlaw : Pistol Shot (no Between the eyes(26) or Grappling Hook (18)
Subtlety : Shadowstrike

Demon Hunter
Glide, Fel rush, Chaos Strike, Demon Bite, Spectral sight, double jump, Torment, Throw Glaive
Havoc : Nothing (eye beam (11) Blade dance (12)
Vengeance : Shear, Fiery Brand, Infernal Strike, Demon Spike, Soul Cleave

Druid
Travel Form, Bear Form, Cat Form, Dash, Entangling roots, Ferocious Bite, Mangle, Moonfire, Regrowth, Shred,
Balance : Starfire, Wrath
Feral : Wrath, Rake
Guardian : Wrath, Maul
Resto : Rejuvenation (no Swiftmend (11))

Monk
Blackout Kick, Spinning crane kick, Touch of death (oh no...), Roll, Crackling Jade Lightning, Expel Harm, Leg Sweep (fu*k...), Vivify, Tiger Palm
Brewmaster : Expel Harm rank2, Invoke Niuzao, Keg Smash, Vivify rank2, Spinning Crane Kick rank2
Misweaver : Rising Sun Kick, Soothing Mist,
Windwalker : Vivify rank2, Rising Sun Kick

Mage
Fire Blast, Polymorph, Frost Nova, Counterspell, Blink, Frosbolt, Arcane Explosion, Arcance Intellect, Slow fall, Conjure Refreshment
Arcane : Arcane Barrage, Arcane Blast ( no arcane missile (13) Evocation(20))
Fire : Fireball ( no Pyroblast (12) Scorch (13)
Frost : Ice Lance ( no Elemantal (12) Blizzard (18) Flurry (20))

Priest
Flash Heal, Smite, Power word Shield, Fade, Power word Fortitude, Shadow word Pain, Psychic Scream, Mind Blast, Desperate prayer
Discipline : Penance
Holy : Holy word Serenity, Holy fire
Shadow : Shadow Form, Mindflay

Warlock
Fear, Shadow Bolt, Summon Demon (Imp, Void), Unending Resolve, Create Healthstone, Health Funnel, Corruption, Curse of Weakness, Drain Life
Affliction : Agony
Demonology : Summon Felguard, Hand of Guldan
Destruction : Conflagrate, Immolate, Chaos Bolt(ffs), Incinerate


Of course a lot of thing might change, but that's the state of things right now. Some classes look pretty Effed up. Fury warriors dont even have rampage.

Good news though, all the transmogs up to BFA are available!
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Margooya said:
So, not sure if there's a similar thread somewhere, but in case, here it is.


I assume lvl 20 toons will be reduced to lvl 10 in Shadowland, and that this will be the new FTP level cap. Now I haven't seen any confirmation of this, but it is a reasonable assumption.


With that in mind, I looked at all the skills available at lvl 10.

Warrior :
Charge, Execute, Hamstring, Pummel, Shield Block, Slam, Victory rush, Whirlwind.
Fury : Bloodthirst. Raging Blow at 12. Titan's grip at 14. Rampage at 19 :(
Arms : Mortal strike
Prot : nothing

DeathKnight
Anti Magic Shell, Mind Freeze, Death Grip, Death Strike, Runeforging, Death coil
Edit : No Rune Strike at 10; so no runic builder...
Blood : Death n Decay, Heart strike
Frost : Death n Decay, Howling blast
Unholy : Death n Decay, Festering strike

Paladin
Lay on hands, Crusader strike, Divine Shield, Shield of the righteous, World of Glory, Flash of Light, Judgment, Consecration, Hammer of Justice.
Retribution : Templar's Verdict
Holy : Holy Shock
Prot : Avenger's Shield

Shaman
Primal Strike, Flametongue, Earthbind Totem, Lightning bolt, Ghost wolf, Healing Surge, Flame Shock,
Elemental : Earth Shock (no lava burst(11)
Enhance : Windfury weapon (no Lava lash (11) or stormstrike (20))
Resto : Riptide

Hunter
Arcane Shot, Cheetah, Disengage, Exilaration, Freezing trap, Hunter's mark, Scare Beast, Steady Shot, Wing Clip. Seems like you can maybe unlock steel trap through your trainer?
Beast : Barbed Shot, Kill Command (no concussive)
Marks : Aimed Shot (No concussive (13))
Survival : Raptor strike ( no Kill Command (11) or sting (12))

Rogue
Slice n Dice, Cheap Shot, Poisons(instant), Vial, Sprint, Kick, Eviscerate, Ambush, Stealth, Sinister strike
Assassination : Garrote
Outlaw : Pistol Shot (no Between the eyes(26) or Grappling Hook (18)
Subtlety : Shadowstrike

Demon Hunter
Glide, Fel rush, Chaos Strike, Demon Bite, Spectral sight, double jump, Torment, Throw Glaive
Havoc : Nothing (eye beam (11) Blade dance (12)
Vengeance : Shear, Fiery Brand, Infernal Strike, Demon Spike, Soul Cleave

Druid
Travel Form, Bear Form, Cat Form, Dash, Entangling roots, Ferocious Bite, Mangle, Moonfire, Regrowth, Shred,
Balance : Starfire, Wrath
Feral : Wrath, Rake
Guardian : Wrath, Maul
Resto : Rejuvenation (no Swiftmend (11))

Monk
Blackout Kick, Spinning crane kick, Touch of death (oh no...), Roll, Crackling Jade Lightning, Expel Harm, Leg Sweep (fu*k...), Vivify, Tiger Palm
Brewmaster : Expel Harm rank2, Invoke Niuzao, Keg Smash, Vivify rank2, Spinning Crane Kick rank2
Misweaver : Rising Sun Kick, Soothing Mist,
Windwalker : Vivify rank2, Rising Sun Kick

Mage
Fire Blast, Polymorph, Frost Nova, Counterspell, Blink, Frosbolt, Arcane Explosion, Arcance Intellect, Slow fall, Conjure Refreshment
Arcane : Arcane Barrage, Arcane Blast ( no arcane missile (13) Evocation(20))
Fire : Fireball ( no Pyroblast (12) Scorch (13)
Frost : Ice Lance ( no Elemantal (12) Blizzard (18) Flurry (20))

Priest
Flash Heal, Smite, Power word Shield, Fade, Power word Fortitude, Shadow word Pain, Psychic Scream, Mind Blast, Desperate prayer
Discipline : Penance
Holy : Holy word Serenity, Holy fire
Shadow : Shadow Form, Mindflay

Warlock
Fear, Shadow Bolt, Summon Demon (Imp, Void), Unending Resolve, Create Healthstone, Health Funnel, Corruption, Curse of Weakness, Drain Life
Affliction : Agony
Demonology : Summon Felguard, Hand of Guldan
Destruction : Conflagrate, Immolate, Chaos Bolt(ffs), Incinerate


Of course a lot of thing might change, but that's the state of things right now. Some classes look pretty Effed up. Fury warriors dont even have rampage.

Good news though, all the transmogs up to BFA are available!
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I cheked on wow head items that require lvl 20 will require in shadowlands lvl 10. Imagend of all lvl 20 twink gear scale down and the new f2p will be 20 again and the gear will be worthless...
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Margooya said:
So, not sure if there's a similar thread somewhere, but in case, here it is.


I assume lvl 20 toons will be reduced to lvl 10 in Shadowland, and that this will be the new FTP level cap. Now I haven't seen any confirmation of this, but it is a reasonable assumption.


With that in mind, I looked at all the skills available at lvl 10.

Warrior :
Charge, Execute, Hamstring, Pummel, Shield Block, Slam, Victory rush, Whirlwind.
Fury : Bloodthirst. Raging Blow at 12. Titan's grip at 14. Rampage at 19 :(
Arms : Mortal strike
Prot : nothing

DeathKnight
Anti Magic Shell, Mind Freeze, Death Grip, Death Strike, Runeforging, Death coil
Edit : No Rune Strike at 10; so no runic builder...
Blood : Death n Decay, Heart strike
Frost : Death n Decay, Howling blast
Unholy : Death n Decay, Festering strike

Paladin
Lay on hands, Crusader strike, Divine Shield, Shield of the righteous, World of Glory, Flash of Light, Judgment, Consecration, Hammer of Justice.
Retribution : Templar's Verdict
Holy : Holy Shock
Prot : Avenger's Shield

Shaman
Primal Strike, Flametongue, Earthbind Totem, Lightning bolt, Ghost wolf, Healing Surge, Flame Shock,
Elemental : Earth Shock (no lava burst(11)
Enhance : Windfury weapon (no Lava lash (11) or stormstrike (20))
Resto : Riptide

Hunter
Arcane Shot, Cheetah, Disengage, Exilaration, Freezing trap, Hunter's mark, Scare Beast, Steady Shot, Wing Clip. Seems like you can maybe unlock steel trap through your trainer?
Beast : Barbed Shot, Kill Command (no concussive)
Marks : Aimed Shot (No concussive (13))
Survival : Raptor strike ( no Kill Command (11) or sting (12))

Rogue
Slice n Dice, Cheap Shot, Poisons(instant), Vial, Sprint, Kick, Eviscerate, Ambush, Stealth, Sinister strike
Assassination : Garrote
Outlaw : Pistol Shot (no Between the eyes(26) or Grappling Hook (18)
Subtlety : Shadowstrike

Demon Hunter
Glide, Fel rush, Chaos Strike, Demon Bite, Spectral sight, double jump, Torment, Throw Glaive
Havoc : Nothing (eye beam (11) Blade dance (12)
Vengeance : Shear, Fiery Brand, Infernal Strike, Demon Spike, Soul Cleave

Druid
Travel Form, Bear Form, Cat Form, Dash, Entangling roots, Ferocious Bite, Mangle, Moonfire, Regrowth, Shred,
Balance : Starfire, Wrath
Feral : Wrath, Rake
Guardian : Wrath, Maul
Resto : Rejuvenation (no Swiftmend (11))

Monk
Blackout Kick, Spinning crane kick, Touch of death (oh no...), Roll, Crackling Jade Lightning, Expel Harm, Leg Sweep (fu*k...), Vivify, Tiger Palm
Brewmaster : Expel Harm rank2, Invoke Niuzao, Keg Smash, Vivify rank2, Spinning Crane Kick rank2
Misweaver : Rising Sun Kick, Soothing Mist,
Windwalker : Vivify rank2, Rising Sun Kick

Mage
Fire Blast, Polymorph, Frost Nova, Counterspell, Blink, Frosbolt, Arcane Explosion, Arcance Intellect, Slow fall, Conjure Refreshment
Arcane : Arcane Barrage, Arcane Blast ( no arcane missile (13) Evocation(20))
Fire : Fireball ( no Pyroblast (12) Scorch (13)
Frost : Ice Lance ( no Elemantal (12) Blizzard (18) Flurry (20))

Priest
Flash Heal, Smite, Power word Shield, Fade, Power word Fortitude, Shadow word Pain, Psychic Scream, Mind Blast, Desperate prayer
Discipline : Penance
Holy : Holy word Serenity, Holy fire
Shadow : Shadow Form, Mindflay

Warlock
Fear, Shadow Bolt, Summon Demon (Imp, Void), Unending Resolve, Create Healthstone, Health Funnel, Corruption, Curse of Weakness, Drain Life
Affliction : Agony
Demonology : Summon Felguard, Hand of Guldan
Destruction : Conflagrate, Immolate, Chaos Bolt(ffs), Incinerate


Of course a lot of thing might change, but that's the state of things right now. Some classes look pretty Effed up. Fury warriors dont even have rampage.

Good news though, all the transmogs up to BFA are available!
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Imagend you cant leave the starting island as f2p xd
 
Kirise said:
If F2Ps go to level 10, I bet we'll keep our mainhand/offhand gear, wrist gear, and at least one ring, and possibly a trinket.
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Trinkets will be insignia of the alliance and some Legion dungeon piece most likely. I'd be surprised if we held onto our mh/oh too, even if we don't get socket weps there's BFA proc mh/ohs.

Only pieces I think might stay are ring and bracers. Foamspittle might still be good for rdruids, we'll see.
 
ohti said:
Trinkets will be insignia of the alliance and some Legion dungeon piece most likely. I'd be surprised if we held onto our mh/oh too, even if we don't get socket weps there's BFA proc mh/ohs.

Only pieces I think might stay are ring and bracers. Foamspittle might still be good for rdruids, we'll see.
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I only see a couple of proc weapons, but even just a couple are enough. Usually BG gear outscales dungeon gear, but if BG gear doesn't get mastery and dungeon gear does, that could tip the balance. So, point taken.
 
Henry said:
Can someone explain why Mastery is so good in SL?
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It’s a spec-unique damage/heal/ability increasing stat that scales harder than the other 3 stats, by %per point in almost every spec. The majority of specs have a good mastery bonus. Check out what mastery does for your spec in your spell book. For example. mastery increases the damage and range of your attacks as a MM hunter in bfa

Getting Harmonious gear (mastery/vers) will be big dmg increase compared to a fireflash item
 
zazzyfraz said:
It’s a spec-unique damage/heal/ability increasing stat that scales harder than the other 3 stats, by %per point in almost every spec. The majority of specs have a good mastery bonus. Check out what mastery does for your spec in your spell book. For example. mastery increases the damage and range of your attacks as a MM hunter in bfa

Getting Harmonious gear (mastery/vers) will be big dmg increase compared to a fireflash item
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Thanks.

What about healers? I’ve learned to really value Haste over Vers at a certain point because I find that when my teammates die, it’s not because I didn’t heal FOR enough it’s because I didn’t finish the heal FAST enough, and Haste really helps with that. I think @Chops told me this once and it really helped.

Is Mastery/Haste going to be the new best for healer specs?
 
Kirise said:
I thought the titanforging system was separate from BG drops and quest items could proc rare and epic? Or is that the question at hand?
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In the same way we consider certain fel forged items "warforged" and "titanforged" depending on ilvl, we could assume that a blue proc is "warforged" and a purple proc is "titanforged."
 
Henry said:
I think @Chops told me this once and it really helped.
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I just ripped off Tence.

Kirise said:
I thought the titanforging system was separate from BG drops and quest items could proc rare and epic? Or is that the question at hand?
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Im not sure of how they code things but I was under the impression that while it wasnt *called* titanforging, it was the same system. But again, this is blizzard who I'm still mad at about telling us Party Sync would only work in open world and not instanced pvp, so...
 
Henry said:
Thanks.

What about healers? I’ve learned to really value Haste over Vers at a certain point because I find that when my teammates die, it’s not because I didn’t heal FOR enough it’s because I didn’t finish the heal FAST enough, and Haste really helps with that. I think @Chops told me this once and it really helped.

Is Mastery/Haste going to be the new best for healer specs?
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Depends on the healer. Rshams have one of the best mastery benefits in the game -- it is borderline obscene how much healing we get from mastery, so that stat will take precedence. I always prefer vers over haste as an rsham, given how many instant-cast spells we use, but that priority could change in SL.
 
Henry said:
Is Mastery/Haste going to be the new best for healer specs?
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For pure heals very likely. Haste does increase HoTs in a similar amount (though it IS less) per point compared to Vers at 20. I agree with the “didn’t heal in time” over “not enough per spell” when deciding why that one guy died

versa set still great against MM hunters though! Counterplay and durability will be better to focus on against something broken and 1 shot capable like MM
 
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