Queues alread 9m long and growing :/

[Chops]

Honestly vets and f2play would not be so sore

You're inventing a person to yell at.

Yall keep saying F2Ps are whining and F2Ps are sore and F2Ps wont stop crying. But like... where? Theres no F2Ps in here whining. It's all a bunch of 29s bickering back and forth.

So 29 is NOT the problem.... it's the limitation of not paying for the game

Um, its the 29s bracket. 20s (at least the folks on this forum who play 20s) have mostly dipped. Its your bracket now. Any problems yall are having are your problems.

 

[Warglave]

Theres no F2Ps in here whining.

Thats what I don't understand about the "adapt and make a Shadowlands 29 mindset". If going to commit to playing a subbed twink account, why would you limit yourself to a bracket that is only active during peak hours instead of going for wotlk twinking - which also has levelers in the participation pool to boost queue times?

Trying to equate wotlk to 20 in attempt to ship out the 29 vermin elsewhere is about the same thing...

Why not do both?

 

[Chops]

I wont expose them publicly, but you'd be shocked to learn (or maybe not) whose sock puppet that is

 

[Warglave]

Not important, not even relevant. But the discussion is still about why 29 is "bad" and that's a f2play/vet issue not 29.

If 29 kills itself, welcome to every other twink bracket in the history of locked XP. Nothing new, nothing to argue.

edit- but nothing wrong with it.

another, same page:

Did y'all play your 29s just as much before the merge since that's "what you like"? Big doubt. And even if let's say you did, i doubt, again, you liked it as much as you do now, having the upper hand.

 

[Chops]

But the discussion is still about why 29 is "bad" and that's a f2play/vet issue not 29.

Then why is it only 29s arguing about it? A couple 20s popping in to lol at yall doesnt really count as us "whining" or "crying" about the bracket. I, personally, am just mildly amused at how quick this is all happening. again.

 

[Warglave]

Then why is it only 29s arguing about it?

I really dont see that in the last page or 2 but cool if you do.

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[lyeah]

They want a freeburger, not a cheeseburger.

TBH, not a fan of cheese burgers, but I'll go with the analogy. Make me something with good ingredience and properly layered on top of one another. Not some cheap chemical garbage, assembled quickly and then placed under the heat lamp for next available order.

 

[toskosa]

Everyone is fighting and here I am having fun pumping damage on my lvl 35 warlock in dungeons are just screwing around on my lvl 1 rogue lol

 

[Bambucea]

So 29 is NOT the problem.... the limitation of not paying for the game is the problem.

A lot of 20's went to play 39s wotlk (or 19s). They are all paying. They choose to stay at that level. They could make better use of that money and play 80s wrath (because wotlk max lvl is worth way more than SL). So limitation of not paying is not the problem.

 

[Gryffon]

Because it's an off shoot "non-real" wow version that has a 100% ending point... when Blizzard launches the next legacy expansion version... WOTLK completely dies 10000000% (just like classic and TBC)... not true with retail... it will always be here (until at least the game ends).

*the queues are actually going up during peak hours. So I would not be so sure anything is dying. People are just adapting to when they have to play. Twinks by nature will do whatever crazy shit is required to twink.

Nothing is dying, pre patches are always slow going for twink stuff.

 

[sw0495]

avg waiting time : 33 mins
your time in queue : 1h 3mins

5pm 24 mins CET

before queue split: ~5 mins till pop.

EDIT: Im not willing to pay for a waiting queue of 20 - 60 mins, when I only had to wait 1-5 mins before. Thats one shitty steakdeal right there.

 

[Warglave]

Im not willing to pay for a waiting queue of 20 - 60 mins

Well if that's literally the only thing you would sub for, no... you shouldnt.

When all the subbed kiddies get done fooling around with wrath/DF/wtfever they are doing with their subscription maybe your queues will get quicker. Until then, enjoy your free soup.

 

[selkit]

Unfortunately the facts are the facts. The levelers are what made the queues pop all the time BEFORE the current debacle... not the amount of 20s (FTP or VET) that were in the bracket. With out levelers, even if there were no 29s, the queues would still suck badly. Don't try to convince yourself that they would not and that some how the 29s are making anything more than a tiny handful of people that want to hold on to their 20s post here and whine about shit.

The lack of the levelers has just squished the bracket into about 2pmCST to about 7pmCST. Realistically that is when normal people should be playing a game anyway. And, again, those queues are increasing in frequency the more people make the transition to 29, which regardless of opinion is clearly on the up.

It sucks with out the insta pop leveler nitro boost... but, the games are better with out them.

Would I like to have it the way it was before with no 29s... 100%, but that is between Blizzard and Blizzard and nobody else.

so why at the start of shadowlands or bfa w.e. cant remember the exact time. the brackets were segregated but 20s still popped in 4mins? without the levelers

 

[JadeFire]

so why at the start of shadowlands or bfa w.e. cant remember the exact time. the brackets were segregated but 20s still popped in 4mins? without the levelers

1) Because kids show up for anything that is new. We are at the end of a cycle not the start. DF will bring in more players after they see what the norm is. Lot's of people just don't want to commit the time right now, justifiably so. They will more likely commit when they see that its a 2 year investment till the next cycle.

2) If the 20s was that strong they would be popping wargames right now, around the clock.

3) The only downside is that you can already tell what the meta will be at 29... survival/MM and priest heals. That won't change... and the more of them that there are the less the other classes/specs will be viable (you can play something like Ret right now, but you won't be able to play it when there are 8 MM hunters firing 2500 damage nukes). But, we just played though that same issue for 2 years and we know that the kids will come out for that show regardless, so it's not a factor.

4) No idea what else your point could be.

 

[selkit]

1) Because kids show up for anything that is new. We are at the end of a cycle not the start. DF will bring in more players after they see what the norm is. Lot's of people just don't want to commit the time right now, justifiably so. They will more likely commit when they see that its a 2 year investment till the next cycle.

2) If the 20s was that strong they would be popping wargames right now, around the clock.

3) The only downside is that you can already tell what the meta will be at 29... survival/MM and priest heals. That won't change... and the more of them that there are the less the other classes/specs will be viable (you can play something like Ret right now, but you won't be able to play it when there are 8 MM hunters firing 2500 damage nukes). But, we just played though that same issue for 2 years and we know that the kids will come out for that show regardless, so it's not a factor.

4) No idea what else your point could be.

1) So the time before shadowlands when bfa was ending is not equal to the time when shadowlands is ending but df starting. SURE.

2) Everyone hates wargames. We even got eepic bgs to pop 20s only before shadowlands dropped and that was organized.

3) When i log on my entire friendslist is offline or playing another game. 29s made 20s just stop playing a heirloom 25+ mage hunter priest warr killed a 20 twink if they were half decent.
29s are unkillable and its just retardeds grp queuing which is what caused the split in the first place.
4) I don't got a point im already just playing nee world. Everyone i played with peaced out nobody wanted to wait 20+mins to try and kill someone with 1600+ more health and can 1 hit you.

 

[Warglave]

nobody wanted to wait 20+mins to try and kill someone with 1600+ more health and can 1 hit you.

Congrats, you sound just like a random leveler 2005-present.

 

[Lateraldrop]

Congrats, you sound just like a random leveler 2005-present.

random levelers had 20 min queue times?

 

[Warglave]

 

[Lateraldrop]

it was your troll, not mine.

 

[Warglave]

Not a troll at all, just about every leveler that complained about twinks ever used the exact same reasoning.

Now that it's happening to level 20 it's a horrible, earth-shattering event. Funny how it's always fine when you're the one with the upper hand... but as soon as someone else gets the advantage it's the same ol' story, regardless of twink or non.

edit- and yes, there were times when queues were long for levelers too. Just usually a faction issue, not an "i dun wanna" issue. But 20 minutes to a 29 that is used to no games at all is still more games than zero. Only freeplayers are impacted.

Because they arent the ones 1600 hp up and 1-shotting anymore. Time to walk a few miles as the other guy.

They done it before. This too shall pass.