glancealot
Legend
I actually don't mind, the current queue is long but I can do other stuff while in queue. Roughly 50% games are good, before it was around only 20%.
Queues alread 9m long and growing :/
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troublesomesleeper
Veteran
Way off on those numbers. Before you had multiple BGs popping at once, so the chances were less that you were going to zone into the same S tier loaded premade. Since the split you fight the same team pretty much every game -
. Its really fun to wait for a long queue pop - only to get a seething shore with half a team or less versus a team of 7 or more.Try playing a 20 ww or enh shammy in this current shitshow, and see if roughly 50% games are good.
Playing a 20 in BGs was fun, because of fast queue times. With the removal of levelers and wotlk release, that is no longer the case.
selkit
Legend
the 20s would still be queing so u lost 4/5
troublesomesleeper
Veteran
Careful with that post Chops, can already hear the swarm of 29 enthusiasts coming to try and gaslight 20s into helping their BG queues pop.
Jai
Grandfathered
I personally don't get the whole drama here. The ques, my winrate, and classes people play have been the same ever since the change happened. It's still the same shit - you either run into a premade with your premade and have a good game or you solo que and run into a premade and have a bad time. Nothing's new, survivals are still broken along with warlocks - literally, nothing changed here.
The only thing in my experience that's different is the number of twinks on the horde and ally side - the horde seems to have a bit more geared 29s than ally at the moment, but I am hoping that will change in the sooner future.
Pay for a sub, gear your 29, stop crying, gather a couple of friends and there are going to be fun games going on, trust me. Adaptation boys
The only thing in my experience that's different is the number of twinks on the horde and ally side - the horde seems to have a bit more geared 29s than ally at the moment, but I am hoping that will change in the sooner future.
Pay for a sub, gear your 29, stop crying, gather a couple of friends and there are going to be fun games going on, trust me. Adaptation boys
troublesomesleeper
Veteran
There it is -
If subbed to the game why would you not just play wotlk, or endgame SL? Why spend time gearing a 29 for long queue times, horrible balance and lack of variety?
Incoming message from Dingle McCringleberry - "the balance issues and little to no variety w/ comps was the same before the split".
Well..... Mr McCringleberry that is not true at all. Regarding the balance issues there were only 2 or 3 outliers to watch out for (arcane mage, destro lock, mm/surv hunters). And you were less likely to run into them when levelers were filling BG team slots. Now though, you have - balance druid, arcane mage, destro lock, mw monk, mm hunter/surv hunter, fury warrior with dark iron pulverizer x2, open access to balefire trinket, all gross and running rampant.
Which brings us to the second issue, comp variety. Before the split 20 dks, enh shams, ww monks and demo locks (or other offmeta builds) had some team support potential. Since the split the chasm between S tier and mid tier classes has gotten even wider, so offmeta specs are just cannon fodder.
Pay for a sub, gear your 29, stop crying, gather a couple of friends and there are going to be fun games going on, trust me. Adaptation boys
If subbed to the game why would you not just play wotlk, or endgame SL? Why spend time gearing a 29 for long queue times, horrible balance and lack of variety?
Incoming message from Dingle McCringleberry - "the balance issues and little to no variety w/ comps was the same before the split".
Well..... Mr McCringleberry that is not true at all. Regarding the balance issues there were only 2 or 3 outliers to watch out for (arcane mage, destro lock, mm/surv hunters). And you were less likely to run into them when levelers were filling BG team slots. Now though, you have - balance druid, arcane mage, destro lock, mw monk, mm hunter/surv hunter, fury warrior with dark iron pulverizer x2, open access to balefire trinket, all gross and running rampant.
Which brings us to the second issue, comp variety. Before the split 20 dks, enh shams, ww monks and demo locks (or other offmeta builds) had some team support potential. Since the split the chasm between S tier and mid tier classes has gotten even wider, so offmeta specs are just cannon fodder.
Toksh
Legend
Today this 20-29 is bigger shit, than last 4 years of a half-hunter teams bgs.
29 dmg "buff" growing much more faster, than HP pool. Alot oneshots between 29's , like HB up to 6.7k+, arcane blasts up to 3.7k, aimed 3.6k+... shadowburns 3k, sunrise 2k+... and other shit. No need to talk about 20lvls, its just a background for bg pops. This game looks like shit CounterStrike with target system.
No epic BGs any more. That was a big fun, lets it had a shit scaling system.
Today is not enough 29 for good pops BG, where 29s are the main part (like 75~100% of 29's, that could be "interesting"?)
Playing 20lvl caster are so 'cool', when you have no time and/or chances to cast anything.
Really, today i have no wish to be cannon-meat on my 20lvl, with this one-shot games. And has sub-time, I no wish to play at 29 in this easy mod-gaming vs others 20's
yeah, my english still bad
29 dmg "buff" growing much more faster, than HP pool. Alot oneshots between 29's , like HB up to 6.7k+, arcane blasts up to 3.7k, aimed 3.6k+... shadowburns 3k, sunrise 2k+... and other shit. No need to talk about 20lvls, its just a background for bg pops. This game looks like shit CounterStrike with target system.
No epic BGs any more. That was a big fun, lets it had a shit scaling system.
Today is not enough 29 for good pops BG, where 29s are the main part (like 75~100% of 29's, that could be "interesting"?)
Playing 20lvl caster are so 'cool', when you have no time and/or chances to cast anything.
Really, today i have no wish to be cannon-meat on my 20lvl, with this one-shot games. And has sub-time, I no wish to play at 29 in this easy mod-gaming vs others 20's
yeah, my english still bad
Jai
Grandfathered
Point 1: It's literally your choice to make. I subbed to play my 29 because I find it fun - if you don't find it fun, you can go ahead and play wotlk or endgame SL; very simple. If people continue to have your kind of attitude and just cry all the time instead of actually playing the game, ofc there's gonna be long que times (even though its the same as before), horrible balance (even though its same as before), and lack of variety (holy fuck is this wrong - there are so many classes that weren't viable in the 20 bracket and are now seen and can actually work in BGs; for example enh shaman, which I absolutely love to see)...
Point 2: No, those 3 classes are still the only ones causing the main trouble. No other class is hard to deal with; I'm actually finding it now relatively easier to deal with tbh (main WW monk here). I see 1 warrior with the 8-sec stun abuse once every 3-4 days (if even that) and it's not even so aids to deal with (just trinket and slap the fucker)... Literally all classes you mentioned are easy to deal with if you're smart and know your class (except for survival hunter, not even god can help you against those fuckers - fuck you Chocow if you're reading this).
Point 3: Huh? I can finally move and live as a level 29 monk - I don't have to depend so much on a pocket healer anymore (thank fucking god) and I absolutely love that.
I am not sure if we're playing the same game bro...
If you actually tried to maximize ur 29 gear and played a couple of games with a couple of (skilled) friends instead of just crying in this forum, you'd see what I am talking about
Peace!
JadeFire
Worthless
Outside of few really bad specs, I have seen every 29 able to do work. Sure Survival is still on top with random mega damage (you can get to 300k just firing serpent sting into healer groups), but Arcane/Balance/Frost/Elemental/MM/Sub/Enhance/Ret/Fury/Arms/Havoc/WW/Destro/Afflication all are 100% viable... even more so than they were at 20. Some of them even have enough gas to just kill a Survival 1v1 unlike in the 20s (unless the survival was piloted by a moron).
Again, it's the premades that fuck stuff up... but, even then most premades are just the other team seeing 5 twinks and assuming they are playing together or even know each other when its more just they were the only people on to que.
Survival > Balance > the pile. That is not gonna change, sure the melee classes are still going to be a burden to play sometimes, Raptor strike hits for 1k non crit, yeah that sucks, but you can still at least compete with it with the bigger heath pool
Again, it's the premades that fuck stuff up... but, even then most premades are just the other team seeing 5 twinks and assuming they are playing together or even know each other when its more just they were the only people on to que.
Survival > Balance > the pile. That is not gonna change, sure the melee classes are still going to be a burden to play sometimes, Raptor strike hits for 1k non crit, yeah that sucks, but you can still at least compete with it with the bigger heath pool
troublesomesleeper
Veteran
If you actually tried to maximize ur 29 gear and played a couple of games with a couple of (skilled) friends instead of just crying in this forum, you'd see what I am talking about
So if you want to primarily play as a level 20 your options are to either play as a meta pumper or play with a premade. Hmm, I wonder why the queues are getting progressively longer with such a fun experience waiting for the 20 crowd
JadeFire
Worthless
So if you want to primarily play as a level 20 your options are to either play as a meta pumper or play with a premade. Hmm, I wonder why the queues are getting progressively longer with such a fun experience waiting for the 20 crowd
Ques are only long off hours, like I just told you. Yeah if you think you are going to play a 20 enhance and not get one shot... good luck... stack some stam and play a healer or something, you can then at least be useful. Sorry but reality is reality.
troublesomesleeper
Veteran
So the reality for a 20 is be prepared to be a target dummy for the 29 meme team. Sounds like a recipe for success. Only having games pop frequently during peak hours is another reality winner.
JadeFire
Worthless
Ok, sure but what do you want. You can't jump off your roof and fly... no matter how much you want to, you will just land on your head and have your neck shoot out of your ass... you can't play a 20 and expect to kick ass... just make a 29 ... well worth 15 bucks a month... just don't eat a cheeseburger twice... 15 bucks right there.
Loveto
Legend
So if you want to primarily play as a level 20 your options are to either play as a meta pumper or play with a premade. Hmm, I wonder why the queues are getting progressively longer with such a fun experience waiting for the 20 crowd
To be fair, I think wotlk classic pre-patch swept a lot of players away the past couple weeks. At least from my friends list, 75% or so have been in wotlk classic non-stop. And from many screenshots of wotlk classic login queues being x,xxx and xx,xxx deep...
Chops
Soccer Dad
Really thought it was gonna take a couple months to get to the "yea, ques are tolerable during peak times" phase this time around but SL 29s are really going for the 29s Destroy Their Own Bracket Speed Run record
Jai
Grandfathered
So if you want to primarily play as a level 20 your options are to either play as a meta pumper or play with a premade. Hmm, I wonder why the queues are getting progressively longer with such a fun experience waiting for the 20 crowd
So if you want to primarily play as a level 20 your options are to either play as a meta pumper or play with a premade. Hmm, I wonder why the queues are getting progressively longer with such a fun experience waiting for the 20 crowd
Yeah, expect to not have fun if you want to primarily play as level 20 - end of story. That's how its been in the past and its how it's going to be moving forward if bracket is combined with a higher lvl than 20. Adapt to it and you'll have a whole different experience, trust!
troublesomesleeper
Veteran
Thats what I don't understand about the "adapt and make a Shadowlands 29 mindset". If going to commit to playing a subbed twink account, why would you limit yourself to a bracket that is only active during peak hours instead of going for wotlk twinking - which also has levelers in the participation pool to boost queue times?