20 Twinking is really bad.

[JadeFire]

I think if the horde could just get 1 to 34 more disc priests that would even it out.

 

[toskosa]

Seriously though darkest dungeon is a sick game.

Also from a pve perspective this is the glory days lol.

 

[Chops]

Seriously though darkest dungeon is a sick game.

I fucking love it. It's my go-to when I think about well designed RPG games. Perfect class distinction, unforgiving play, a simple but effective gearing system, room for creativity in party builds, etc etc.

Also from a pve perspective this is the glory days lol.

for F2P? hell yea it is. I try not to get myself too down about the state of pvp because really, theres just a ton of cool shit to do that isnt based on 15 year old pvp maps.

 

[toskosa]

I fucking love it. It's my go-to when I think about well designed RPG games. Perfect class distinction, unforgiving play, a simple but effective gearing system, room for creativity in party builds, etc etc

Yes, not to mention its modding community which can change the game up, so if u don't like how unforgiving it can be ( not me I love being abused) you can mod it to be less so....or even more so. Getting close to 1k hours on it and I dont regret any of it lol fantastic game.

theres just a ton of cool shit to do that isnt based on 15 year old pvp maps.

Yeah i have found myself just doing quests and stuff that I haven't done in years and its been a ton of fun. that and collecting things has been keeping me pretty happy.

 

[Yoshiana]

Its a shitfest because of hunters, crusader right now and other bs, gear is not a problem for most specs.

Nobody is trying to play many fun specs because fotm just deletes them and you cant compete. Its a sad state with no end in sight

i agree i used my elemental shaman and said fuck this shit, haven't used him since, i did only like 15 bgs on him and retired him. I have twinked out hunter i rarely play, didnt play him for 3 months came back and went 120-8 deaths in bgs said this shit is boring i stopped playing him, i mostly did survival, but mm is more op, 1500 dmg aim shots, basically 50-60 percent hp of a geared person in the bracket.

I mostly play now as frostmage on my sorc, i would play demo- on my lock till the crusader glitch ruined that. So its frost mage and shadow-priest for me. Frost is better overall the best mage spec, but arcane is much better for killing healers. Frost is better vs killing hunters. No one is playing weak specs in this bracket. The best the bracket days was in legion ex-pac.

 

[JadeFire]

There are plenty of specs that's effectiveness is not being limited by Hunters or Crusader. Elemental Shaman is just one of those that is fundamentally and mathematically bad. "This guy plays it really well!"... no he does not... you are just noticing that person because nobody else plays it and the comparison pool is miniscule. The ratio between Mastery/Int/Haste is simply not in line with the low damage numbers associated with the class at 20... Overload simply does not scale at 20 correctly in ratio to damage output... you get a pile of garbage that does pathetic damage... and the damage is so bad that any utility the spec might have is lost due to being otherwise ineffectual in any meaningful engagement.

The math is just not there... and if Hunters/Crusader were not even a factor Elemental would still be a bad spec.

DH is another one... can you do tier 3 damage and fly around... sure... does anybody really care/are they effective... not really. Are pocket healed DHs annoying... sure any spec is... can you put Crusader on your DH... sure... does that make it not tier 3... no. And again, any time any DH does something slightly above average it just gets more traction socially even though it's still trash... aka you just remember when a DH manages to squeeze out 70k in some random drawn out game... as opposed to a Hunter where the bar is at 200k or they are just another bumble fuck with a bow/staff, that can't control their pets and make Warriors appear more powerful than they really are.

 

[Chops]

There are plenty of specs that's effectiveness is not being limited by Hunters or Crusader. Elemental Shaman is just one of those that is fundamentally and mathematically bad. "This guy plays it really well!"... no he does not... you are just noticing that person because nobody else plays it and the comparison pool is miniscule. The ratio between Mastery/Int/Haste is simply not in line with the low damage numbers associated with the class at 20... Overload simply does not scale at 20 correctly in ratio to damage output... you get a pile of garbage that does pathetic damage... and the damage is so bad that any utility the spec might have is lost due to being otherwise ineffectual in any meaningful engagement.

The math is just not there... and if Hunters/Crusader were not even a factor Elemental would still be a bad spec.

DH is another one... can you do tier 3 damage and fly around... sure... does anybody really care/are they effective... not really. Are pocket healed DHs annoying... sure any spec is... can you put Crusader on your DH... sure... does that make it not tier 3... no. And again, any time any DH does something slightly above average it just gets more traction socially even though it's still trash... aka you just remember when a DH manages to squeeze out 70k in some random drawn out game... as opposed to a Hunter where the bar is at 200k or they are just another bumble fuck with a bow/staff, that can't control their pets and make Warriors appear more powerful than they really are.

This is genuinely one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

 

[JadeFire]

This is genuinely one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

If you played more pugs I'd probably care about your opinion more, you are just too warped by wargames and arena skirmishes. Is what it is.

If you can cite examples that would be nice, but I'll wait for those, because they don't exist. I don't need to cite them because anybody that plays on a regular basis knows that Elemental is not good... its not that its under represented/etc... it's just bad. Can you like it, can you enjoy it... that is subjective not objective.

And we have talked about running the flag before in pugs... if you are winning who cares who has the flag... a DH is nice, but really it could be anything.

 

[Chops]

If you played more pugs I'd probably care about your opinion more, you are just too warped by wargames and arena skirmishes.

I've actually only played my ele shaman in randoms. It's quite good.

 

[Robo]

It really boils down to crusader, and a few OP classes. When it comes to f2p, the gap is now smaller than it's ever been between f2p and p2p/vet.

The burstyness of twinks now reminds me of lvl 80-84 twinks in mop lol

 

[Kirise]

The burstyness of twinks now reminds me of lvl 80-84 twinks in mop lol

Hey now, I wouldn't go that far. At least the one-shot abilities at 20 take casting times. MoP 80-84 saw people die in a global when instant cast combos gave us one haste-reduced GCD to react.

 

[Magrain]

I left the twinking scene for a couple of months, and I came back to this...

 

[Goesid]

If you played more pugs I'd probably care about your opinion more, you are just too warped by wargames and arena skirmishes. Is what it is.

If you can cite examples that would be nice, but I'll wait for those, because they don't exist. I don't need to cite them because anybody that plays on a regular basis knows that Elemental is not good... its not that its under represented/etc... it's just bad. Can you like it, can you enjoy it... that is subjective not objective.

And we have talked about running the flag before in pugs... if you are winning who cares who has the flag... a DH is nice, but really it could be anything.

ele is A tier ez. sounds like youre bad not ele.

 

[Apash]

Yeah i have found myself just doing quests and stuff that I haven't done in years and its been a ton of fun. that and collecting things has been keeping me pretty happy.

Immersion + Dynamic Cam Addons made me enjoy questing a lot more.
It even made reading quest text less boring, who knew WoW quests had good and funny writing?

 

[JadeFire]

ele is A tier ez. sounds like youre bad not ele.

Again, waiting on one single example. There is not one. Are there people who play elemental in premades and do "OK"... sure... you can do that with any class.

The new changes might help the damage by 5-10%... great.

"A tier" is just a stupid statement. We are just in the realm of "goofy" now, back to my favorite maybe some nostalgia for how things were a year ago.

 

[Hennelorix]

It looks like Jadefire just likes to cry about some classes being shit ngl. It always looks like obsession and not like constructive opinion.

 

[Chops]

Again, waiting on one single example.

I was in a group of 3 ele shaman that beat a triple hunter/disc/xp-exploiting warrior in twin peaks.

this single example, per your request, proves you wrong. Thanks for playing.

 

[Robo]

Twinks are drama queens. You know what you're getting into when you make a twink

 

[Cattywompus]

Elemental is pretty damn strong! Far from the best but you can really tear some shit up.

 

[Goesid]

Again, waiting on one single example. There is not one. Are there people who play elemental in premades and do "OK"... sure... you can do that with any class.

The new changes might help the damage by 5-10%... great.

"A tier" is just a stupid statement. We are just in the realm of "goofy" now, back to my favorite maybe some nostalgia for how things were a year ago.

Here?