20 Twinking is really bad.

[ShinyHero]

Damn, my fully BIS 20 rogue that I’ve spent 100s of hours farming gear for is basically nothing because I guess it’s just a “build a bear AH” twink.

 

[Lateraldrop]

Um yeah build a bear AH twinking and having the BiS w/o any effort should make anyone salty.

Why?

It should take effort to be BiS.

Why?

Thats why there are so many dead brain mongoloids in the bracket.

Nah, they have always been.

Making a toon w/ 0 effort and winning attracts the not so bright.

Then just beat bad players?

Winning is only fun if it takes effort if you are a normal person.

Try wargames, they happen often.

Also if this is the best the brackets been

is that what a majority of people responding to you sound like they are claiming?

Old school vanilla/bc was way better. Even the introduction of BoA in wotlk was better because you still had to at least grind the gear and only certain peices beat blues like the weapons.

pretty sure trial accounts started in 2011 in like cata? did the FTP/lvl 20 bracket even exist in these examples that you give of times they were better?

IF you want to compare FTP now to any time that 29 twinks existed your "FTP cant even compete w ppl that just spend a ton of money on their toons" argument is going to fall apart quickly.

 

[waterbottle]

If you dont like Qing against twinks, just level up into 30's and BG. Twinking is no different than it was in classic, or any other expansion. Players will always find an edge to just steam roll kids. No one is forcing you to play against us, and no one is stopping you from doing it as well. Just play the game and have fun. Quit QQin\

edit: You can also be thankful they added XP to BGs, because every brackwet would be like this.

 

[Vyvenem]

I am a pure F2P and I think I do just fine in PvP with the gear I have.

But I'm a hunter, so my opinion is invalid.

Have a nice day!

 

[Leek]

I think the only problem in the 20 twink bracket now is blizzard actually, breaking random things every patch, like crusader nearly full healing each proc, glitched artifacts ("fixed"), random high ilvl gear dropping off draenor mobs like bramble ("fixed")

Gearing has never been more varied in slands id say

 

[Warglave]

attracted a high number of relatively untalented players to a bracket that allows them to pick on levelers well, then I gotta ask what you think the whole entire history of twinking has been?

Cant quote this enough.

 

[CigNus]

As terrible as it seems that there are a lot of bad players, there are probably more people than ever before that are playing the bracket. I don't see that as a bad thing?

 

[Krittykreme]

Why?

You are probably one of the mongoloids if you have to ask this question.

Nah, they have always been.

Twinking in general has not been full of brain deads.

In fact in BC and WotLK it was full of 2k+ players burning time when they didnt want to push rating.

The bad players that make up most of the base in 20s xp off would be made fun on the daily in the bgs and on forums.

I was just at 2k on my main and I was avg skill in the bracket. Lots of players way better than me.

I havent had to try hard juking once and thats just basic twink level stuff.

I could go on about the "back in my day" bit but really if this is what the bracket is, its just sad to be honest. Not for me.

 

[Warglave]

Twinking in general has not been full of brain deads.

It absolutely has, since the dawn of WoW.

edit- or at the very least since the XP on/off segregation funneled them all to one bracket... but my money is still on always.

 

[CigNus]

Not for me.

 

[Krittykreme]

No. Maybe in vanilla when it was a new thing, but by late BC and most of WotLK, there were a ton of really good players.

The bads who just came in to own lowbies were made fun of actively in the bgs and battlerealm forums.

Maybe you didnt twink in the heyday.

 

[Chops]

In fact in BC and WotLK it was full of 2k+ players burning time when they didnt want to push rating.

this is just factually inaccurate. I twinked back then too and can tell you there were certainly braindead goofs wanting gear to carry them against levelers and talented players looking to fight other twinks.

Just like today.

You had a bad evening in BGs. it happens. theyre garbage. But organized pvp at 20 contains plenty of talented players competing at a high level. You just havent played any organized games or arenas yet, it sounds like.

But hey, if its not for you then fine. You dont need to justify it.

 

[JadeFire]

Has anybody deleted their hunter out of pure shame and self loathing since this topic opened? ... lets move it on then.

 

[CigNus]

The bads who just came in to own lowbies were made fun of actively in the bgs and battlerealm forums.

The bad players that make up most of the base in 20s xp off would be made fun on the daily in the bgs and on forums.

I'm going to assume you're one of the weirdos that is super butthurt that you can't /spit on people anymore.
Which is also fine, but like... why is being booly fun?

 

[Krittykreme]

It absolutely has, since the dawn of WoW.

edit- or at the very least since the XP on/off segregation funneled them all to one bracket... but my money is still on always.

I twinked back then too and can tell you there were certainly braindead goofs wanting gear to carry them against levelers and talented players looking to fight other twinks.

There were some, but generally were made fun openly.

 

[Warglave]

why is being booly fun?

It's hard to be elitist when there's no gear gap placing you on a pedestal anymore would be my guess. Just a guess tho.

There were some, but generally were made fun openly.

Which I'm sure bothered the masses that had no clue whatsoever where the WoW forums were, or especially this one.

 

[Krittykreme]

I'm going to assume you're one of the weirdos that is super butthurt that you can't /spit on people anymore.
Which is also fine, but like... why is being booly fun?

huh?

 

[Lateraldrop]

You are probably one of the mongoloids if you have to ask this question.

Nah, not that I am a great player but when I pushed rating I was 2200 (not a flex as all.)

Twinking in general has not been full of brain deads.

Sure it has. I have played 19s since 'nilla and participated at high levels of organized GvG wargames w spacebar in classic.

The bad players that make up most of the base in 20s xp off would be made fun on the daily in the bgs and on forums.

this was always true, thriving guild environments and guild v guild wargames has ALWAYS been the only place to find consistently good games. That being said, this slights your original argument of gear availability making twinkling irrelevant if skill delineation exists. Like I said before if people that are playing are bad then just beat them. It's confusing to talk about how gear makes such a big difference that it's ruining the bracket then talk about how skill is the reason it is bad.

Logic-
-a game has X players in it.
-You want competitive games but believe that most people suck bepis.
-Bepis suckers can easily get gear to help make games more competitive.
-If gear was not available, then the bepis suckers would skill exist but be without any gear (like levelers in classic/nilla/sader) and have 0 effect on the game.

Do you want more levelers that are bad at playing and poorly geared or do you want some twinks to be bad at playing but well geared? Witch scenario makes for consistently more competitive games.

Your arguments just don't make sense to me.

I was just at 2k on my main and I was avg skill in the bracket. Lots of players way better than me.

nice! also, you can swap out randoms for poorly played twinks and what is the real difference?

I haven't had to try hard juking once and that's just basic twink level stuff.

try wargames or organized arena.

I could go on about the "back in my day" bit but really if this is what the bracket is, its just sad to be honest. Not for me.

Sry for the bad experience... still not sure if your complaint is that it's too easy for bad players to gear and be effective or that there are too many bad players to pose any challenge to you no matter the gear...but wish you well elsewhere. Feels like you miss being more important than you feel in these games, but know that you ARE important to someone! I don't know who that might be but they believe in you and you can do it.

Reach for the stars!

 

[Krittykreme]

Like I said before if people that are playing are bad then just beat them. It's confusing to talk about how gear makes such a big difference that it's ruining the bracket then talk about how skill is the reason it is bad.

Its not really a conflict.

When you can buy a whole suit of BiS gear, you get fotm broken specs in BiS or near BiS mongoloiding.

No effort people are also usually bad at the game because they dont take the effort to be better.

When you have to go through the trouble to spend hours farming gear or even sets of gear (i.e. spirit/stam) you generally take the effort to be good at the game too.

Honestly maybe it is just hunters and wars that make 20s broken. Its sort of like enti's in wotlk where every mongoloid could go on the ah and buy a grey sword and just run around wrecking w/o any thought or learning how to play.

 

[CigNus]

huh?

sorry it just seemed like you were putting a lot of weight on making fun of people probably me reading it wrong.

Honestly maybe it is just hunters and wars that make 20s broken. Its sort of like enti's in wotlk where every mongoloid could go on the ah and buy a grey sword and just run around wrecking w/o any thought or learning how to play.

This.