Twink Charter - Lets get this done

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  1. Broken

    Broken Grandfathered

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    Hello everyone,

    It's been a bit more than a month since talk of the Twink Charter first started. I talked to Myrm and we want to start finalizing it. Reason I'm creating a new thread is so that we can arouse interest once again.

    We were hoping to hear more of your suggestions in the coming week, like in the last thread. And then when the new Mods are selected (also in about a week), the whole staff sits down, discusses and draws out a final new Twink Charter (CoC).

    I'm quoting some of the suggestions for the Twink Charter from the previous thread (if I accidentally missed yours, PM me to add it or you can post it again). I didn't change words but shortened some posts so that they'd be to the point. Even then, the amount of awesome suggestions is huge. I apologise if anyone minded that.


    Yde's first draft

    Conq's suggested draft

    Lets hear your ideas, people. Lets get this done!
     
  2. Dorigon

    Dorigon Alpha and Omega

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    There should be a list of actions that will result in a warning, and a list of actions that will result in a ban. A warning should persist for some time, and during that time a further warning should result in a ban. Don't currently have time to read all the stuff above, but there should be a clause about posting others' personal information (including photos, address, name, whatever) without their consent.

    To add more, I believe that banned users should have an avenue to gain clarification for why they are banned, but I don't believe the moderation team should be at the mercy of the entire community in having to explain every little thing about bans. There isn't time in the day for that.
     
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  3. Arkant

    Arkant Freedom~

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    So, infractions?
     
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  4. Nodoka

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  5. Denurd

    Denurd Guest

    So in short , fun is killed ?
     
  6. Patrol

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    From [MENTION=10938]Broken[/MENTION]'s quotes:

    I agree with [MENTION=6085]Laurasia[/MENTION].

    I'm not against [MENTION=11882]Chantale[/MENTION]'s suggesion.

    I don't agree with [MENTION=6446]Mocha[/MENTION]'s suggested black / white CoC, because the gray arises when that CoC gets processed and applied by a moderator.

    I agree with [MENTION=9950]Drugs[/MENTION]'s suggested Warning / Infraction Appeals, in [MENTION=10336]Yde[/MENTION]'s Discuss Moderation thread. Mods can just type whatever 3 words they'd put in the PM, and the offended member will be the one to take time with refutation, [MENTION=2555]Dorigon[/MENTION].

    I don't agree with [MENTION=13519]Activate[/MENTION], but I think that sort of noggin ought to be given a shot at moderation.

    I actually don't agree with [MENTION=4377]Arkant[/MENTION], and I think all non-banter name-calling ought to be moderated (when reported) in favor of legitimate censure.

    I agree with the lovely [MENTION=10336]Yde[/MENTION], except that the Twink Charter can be the mindset of those entrusted with moderation, as long as decisions are public. You might say, "We can't read moderators' minds, so the CoC isn't transparent!" but there's already opaqueness when they process the CoC, so the transparency is in public explanations & appeals.

    I agree with [MENTION=13341]Swoops[/MENTION] when the "outline to guide the community" is each poster's courtesy and common sense.

    I agree with [MENTION=9950]Drugs[/MENTION], round 2, especially that bullying new members is a direct threat to the community / TI's longevity. Here's an example.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [MENTION=10336]Yde[/MENTION]'s First Draft

    I. Why do we need this clause?
    V. Personally, I think the previous bump ought to be deleted by the poster before a thread is bumped again.
    IX. For the sake of TI's longevity, I think harshly treating a new member ought to result in an infraction, no warning.

    I don't see anything in [MENTION=189]Conq[/MENTION]'s suggested draft which isn't included in Yde's.



    This tl;dr includes only my suggestion, which is public explanation and appeal of moderation, with no CoC outside of moderator judgment, since they're trustworthy enough for the promotion and can be demoted.
     
  7. Nodoka

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    Yes _< need to find another forum
     
  8. Hamcake

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    Cut out the bit about private servers and it's much better~
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  9. Barbarous

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    To stop the spam guys you can put a mod verification needed to make threads after a new acc has reached the post required cap

    !

    "Don't be a complete cunt"

    My coc, I think it's a good contender
     
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  10. artonkn

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    Bring back private servers and account sales. Blizzard will never support the site like Myrm dreams.
     
  11. Nodoka

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    Made a thread about that a month or two ago. [MENTION=5141]Myrm[/MENTION] does not give a shit.
    A simple capcha code would solve the spam issue. But yeah its Myrm we're dealing with and not some serious owner.
     
  12. Drugs

    Drugs The Dude Abides

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    Yde for president. Make Twinkinfo great again!
     
  13. Alex

    Alex #1 Paraplegic Gamer Administrator

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    Thank God, lets hope this turns out well.
     
  14. Yann

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    I nominate Tacocat for Prime Minister.
     
  15. Arkant

    Arkant Freedom~

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    Apparently people think that Blizzard would shut down the Twink Cup if TI doesn't play by their rules lmao
    You don't need a specific amount of posts to spam in that section, though.
     
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  16. artonkn

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    What are they going to do? Ban all the players?
     
  17. Arkant

    Arkant Freedom~

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    Sue the organizer =^]
     
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  18. Mocha

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    Respect:
    I don't care how strict the CoC is. All I care about is that moderators need to respect what the CoC says. Not completely disregard it on a daily basis. Why would a community follow the CoC if the moderators don't take it seriously? If you do x, you get y. If the CoC reads "if you do x, you get y." and if only one moderator is moderating the way it's written, the entire site won't give a fuck about what the CoC says because clearly the moderators don't either.

    Consistency:
    Also, results should not vary from moderator to moderator. If the CoC reads "if you do x, you get y." then no matter which moderator reads the report, they should get y. It shouldn't be a luck of the draw on which moderator reads the report. There shouldn't be a different result on the same offenses because the reports were received by two separate moderators. Again, I don't care for how strict the CoC is... all I want is consistency with its moderation.

    Special Treatment:
    Members should not receive special treatment no matter whom they are. The argument of "unban x because he's important" is the most biased corruption there could be. Why should x be unbanned because he's "important" when y should remain banned because his name isn't as large? The CoC needs to apply to every member on the site equally. Even if you're friends with the offender, they need to be held at the same standard.

    Momentum:
    Bans should only be given when more moderators agree to it or if there's a direct IP infringement. This is going unchanged as this has always been the case. The staff chat ban reasoning thread should always be updated as well.

    Reports:
    Reports need to be handled by all moderators. There shouldn't be 8 moderators and only one answering reports.

    Pruning:
    The TI staff shouldn't be so large if there's no purpose for having such an army of a staff. The number of moderators should directly reflect the atmosphere of the CoC and each staff member should pull their weight in some way or another. If you have 8 moderators and no CoC, well that just comes off as an admin giving his friends a special title. I guess he's free to do so, but that's not something that has happened in the past and isn't something that should happen either. In times where people are extra angsty, there should be more staff members than in times when people are chill and activity is low. You don't need 8 moderators to handle the 3 reports of "close my thread" or "move my thread" and that's about all that is probably being made right now.

    Standard:
    @Broken Myrm Superstylin should all vocally agree on what standard they want to set the community on and their opinions should all be equal. Sure, Myrm bought the site, but Broken and Superstylin should be held no lower than Myrm. Those three should decide on if they want swearing / bashing or if they want to cut down on stuff like that. I know the previous admin put a high value in content and if a thread did not aid in the creation or relay of information, it was not to be made simple as that. If a post did not aid in discussion or bring new information or debate, it was simply spamming the site with 0 content and removed.

    My Opinion:
    Now my opinions on the standard are pretty simple and have gone unchanged since 2010. I don't like seeing important content being buried on the daily because some kid wants to show off his muscles instead or some kids want to post @ threads with youtube videos or some ms paint pictures. That is bullshit. Content should be preserved and rewarded. People should WANT to contribute information to develop the community and the standard that the admins desire should reflect this. Content should be valued higher than activity. TI shouldn't be some lounge to just chat when you're bored, it should be a valuable information resource. New twinks should be able to find TI and should WANT to join the community. They should be able to approach the developed community with questions and should receive the answers they're looking for. This site has NEVER been as cluttered and inefficient as it is now. The only thing a new member will learn from visiting this site consistently for a week is that people are assholes. Unless they ask for information, they will absolutely never even come across it. Hell, most of them don't even see the guides section / stickied threads because there's just too much clutter for them to click on instead.

    I know as a community the majority of the users left on this site get more enjoyment in calling someone a faggot cunt to their face than they would enjoy helping a new member gear up. With that being said, most of the constructive users of the site are long gone so my opinions are heavily unfavored to this remaining community. I'm not going to let that stop me from vocalizing my opinion as I still believe that growth as a community should be much desired and the site in its current status is completely hindering on that. My opinions may be "wrong" to the current community, but I do believe my goal of aiming for content over bloat is in the right. Sadly, more people would be more interested in vocally going against me even when they agree with the content in my posts. I'm not going to let that stop me from voicing my opinions and continuing to aim for my goal. Everyone is free to express their opinions on the new CoC.


    Twink Cup should be a different website. TI should reintroduce account sales / private server section.
     
  19. LennywBT

    LennywBT SpeeDIO

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    My suggestion :

    Quoting myself on a good topic to discuss, there are some points you may find.

    What i do suggest, if there is content that is irrelevant to the section (Level Twenty Twinking for instance), should be Locked, given the reason that General Talk exists.
     
  20. Dorigon

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    There are too many steps now. I amassed a collection of 17 infractions and warnings before getting a temporary ban a year ago. The ban itself was petty, as were the majority of warnings and infractions, but it still shows how ineffectively the system has been used.
     

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