To all guilds afraid of premading NHF or premading in general
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half ur guild arent even decent compared to EU avarege players
Quackbesteu
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after reading through this thread there is a few things that I feel like people don't want to admit or are just stupid -
1) I'm sure there is a handful of guilds who are 'afraid' to premade NHF, but I feel like no one cares about beating NHF - Why? Because look at the 10 mans you run. The majority of the players aren't good, or even average if we're being honest - You just have a handful (6 maybe) of good players ( that I haven't seen in the same group yet as a 10 man ) and 2-3 players that can understand how movement around the map works vs 10 people who don't in the slightest. Not to mention both teams have players with poor class mechanics but thanks to NHF having some people with good ones, they tend to be able to carry the ones who don't in this field.
2) Before you say 'yeah, but they can improve by playing against us, right? or playing more?' Sure in an ideal world where people are striving to be the best, but that's not what this bracket is about currently, from what I understand from forums, discord chats, twitch streams a lot of people you guys play against and indeed average players in your guild think they're the best. So if you think you're the best in most scenarios you won't really care about improving, because you either feel you can't improve or the things you can improve on are so minor that you shouldn't really care - is this my way of saying that every person on vanilla has some huge ego - yeah I guess in a way it is maybe not every single player but if we're generalizing - depending what way you look at it a lot of people who would be considered dogshit in other expacs because of how they play - are considered decent because of how vanilla is - evidence of this is NHF vs Bowners guild r w/e - and outside of maybe 3players?4 on NHF side usually - the mechanics and understanding of the game are literally even on both sides or close enough to.
3) Telling people 'its fun to lose, because its competitive' or its fun to take part because its competitive is probably the least motivating thing you can say to them and probably one of the stupidest also.
4) Is this my way of saying guilds shouldn't play into NHF? No of course they should especially if they're taking part in Tips' tournament. Why would they not want more practice and everything else inbetween- of course they should! it would literally be worse for them not to. But this is really not the way to go about it and telling them some bias version of events from 2015/2016 thinking they will read it and some how be motivated to queue into you guys - is ridiculous.
at the end of the day I don't really care who plays vs who - who dodges who - or anything else because vanilla is dogshit either ways so it doesn't bother me - but for you guilds who plan on playing in tips' tourney you should be trynna queue into NHF as much as you can and if u wanna be a sweaty HB and take notes of vods and discuss them for 14 hours you should do that also if you WANT to win.
if you really dont care about winning I don't see why you're playing in the tourney because I don't get how 'playing for fun but losing' is fun.
1) I'm sure there is a handful of guilds who are 'afraid' to premade NHF, but I feel like no one cares about beating NHF - Why? Because look at the 10 mans you run. The majority of the players aren't good, or even average if we're being honest - You just have a handful (6 maybe) of good players ( that I haven't seen in the same group yet as a 10 man ) and 2-3 players that can understand how movement around the map works vs 10 people who don't in the slightest. Not to mention both teams have players with poor class mechanics but thanks to NHF having some people with good ones, they tend to be able to carry the ones who don't in this field.
2) Before you say 'yeah, but they can improve by playing against us, right? or playing more?' Sure in an ideal world where people are striving to be the best, but that's not what this bracket is about currently, from what I understand from forums, discord chats, twitch streams a lot of people you guys play against and indeed average players in your guild think they're the best. So if you think you're the best in most scenarios you won't really care about improving, because you either feel you can't improve or the things you can improve on are so minor that you shouldn't really care - is this my way of saying that every person on vanilla has some huge ego - yeah I guess in a way it is maybe not every single player but if we're generalizing - depending what way you look at it a lot of people who would be considered dogshit in other expacs because of how they play - are considered decent because of how vanilla is - evidence of this is NHF vs Bowners guild r w/e - and outside of maybe 3players?4 on NHF side usually - the mechanics and understanding of the game are literally even on both sides or close enough to.
3) Telling people 'its fun to lose, because its competitive' or its fun to take part because its competitive is probably the least motivating thing you can say to them and probably one of the stupidest also.
4) Is this my way of saying guilds shouldn't play into NHF? No of course they should especially if they're taking part in Tips' tournament. Why would they not want more practice and everything else inbetween- of course they should! it would literally be worse for them not to. But this is really not the way to go about it and telling them some bias version of events from 2015/2016 thinking they will read it and some how be motivated to queue into you guys - is ridiculous.
at the end of the day I don't really care who plays vs who - who dodges who - or anything else because vanilla is dogshit either ways so it doesn't bother me - but for you guilds who plan on playing in tips' tourney you should be trynna queue into NHF as much as you can and if u wanna be a sweaty HB and take notes of vods and discuss them for 14 hours you should do that also if you WANT to win.
if you really dont care about winning I don't see why you're playing in the tourney because I don't get how 'playing for fun but losing' is fun.
Powerlol
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tl:dr
NHF is clearly the best guild on NA because of their 10vs10 syngergy. Not because of their individual plays. There are a lot of people that don't know how classic works and it's different from what it was in private servers. Each day I see people complaining about
Not saying NHF were saying those shits, but what were you expecting once they'd come to classic and face those guys? xd
I watch their streams from time to time and yet they do/have some playstyle that I feel disgusting. But as a team they're of course the best because of their calls and the habit of doing the proper calls at the best moment. But once they'll face a team that have better knowledge of the mechanics they'll be struggling.
I'd love to write a big book like @Neebler has done for every class but yeah I'm prolly bringing my team over (still in discussion) to be part of all those tournaments & shit so I can't let anyone know all the tricks & mechanics sorry boys
@Zeiren <3
disclaimer: not sayin NHF is shit, just the lack of playing make them not good as individual players and that's of course understandable, they'll prolly be the guy to learn the most in a short periode. However incredible as a team
NHF is clearly the best guild on NA because of their 10vs10 syngergy. Not because of their individual plays. There are a lot of people that don't know how classic works and it's different from what it was in private servers. Each day I see people complaining about
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wtf hakkari not droppable?
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wtf agility doesn't increase my wand :(Not saying NHF were saying those shits, but what were you expecting once they'd come to classic and face those guys? xd
I watch their streams from time to time and yet they do/have some playstyle that I feel disgusting. But as a team they're of course the best because of their calls and the habit of doing the proper calls at the best moment. But once they'll face a team that have better knowledge of the mechanics they'll be struggling.
I'd love to write a big book like @Neebler has done for every class but yeah I'm prolly bringing my team over (still in discussion) to be part of all those tournaments & shit so I can't let anyone know all the tricks & mechanics sorry boys
@Zeiren <3
disclaimer: not sayin NHF is shit, just the lack of playing make them not good as individual players and that's of course understandable, they'll prolly be the guy to learn the most in a short periode. However incredible as a team
Neebler
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I would appreciate any knowledge you are willing to share on my guide post if you wanna leave a comment for the time beingtl:dr
NHF is clearly the best guild on NA because of their 10vs10 syngergy. Not because of their individual plays. There are a lot of people that don't know how classic works and it's different from what it was in private servers. Each day I see people complaining about
Code:wtf hakkari not droppable?Code:wtf agility doesn't increase my wand :(
Not saying NHF were saying those shits, but what were you expecting once they'd come to classic and face those guys? xd
I watch their streams from time to time and yet they do/have some playstyle that I feel disgusting. But as a team they're of course the best because of their calls and the habit of doing the proper calls at the best moment. But once they'll face a team that have better knowledge of the mechanics they'll be struggling.
I'd love to write a big book like @Neebler has done for every class but yeah I'm prolly bringing my team over (still in discussion) to be part of all those tournaments & shit so I can't let anyone know all the tricks & mechanics sorry boys
@Zeiren <3
disclaimer: not sayin NHF is shit, just the lack of playing make them not good as individual players and that's of course understandable, they'll prolly be the guy to learn the most in a short periode. However incredible as a team
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Quack I think this is a very fair evaluation for the most part. IMO this was just our attempt at sharing our personal experiences to see if they clicked with anyone else’s. If that’s not the case for some or even a lot of people then obviously that’s to be expected.
I don’t even expect to play with NHF when things get real. The NHF people are facing now probably won’t even be as good as the NHF that enters the tournament but I can only speculate. At the very least things are going to heat up. Maybe that competitive tourney energy will be the push they need. But if that’s the goal then they’re doing no favors by dodging a hard team.
Vanilla is a lot easier and less interesting in a lot of ways but it’s the format everyone is playing atm. So whether or not it’s shit I would hope people embrace it and try to play their best/improve.
As it goes without saying I can only speak for myself though. And I appreciate seeing your POV. If anything this thread let us talk about this problem more constructively than the last one lol.
(Hass)
Wizard of the ramp
Is this sweaty behavior or is it just taking the time to become a better player?
bro EU will forever be in the USA's shadow
back2back world war champions get@me
Quackbesteu
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I mean can it not be both?
It'll possibly make you a better player but its very sweaty behavior and shouldn't be necessary to improve
Hired
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I've played both, you're a retard if you think that. EU is dogshit.
(Hass)
Wizard of the ramp
ur a sweaty forum poster, plz stop
Explain to me how watching film/vods, taking notes on your personal/team/enemyteams gameplay isn't one of the best ways improve? Rolling pugs or killing murlocs while practicing back strafing doesn't work.
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Quackbesteu
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Because you should be able to tell in the game the mistakes you made once they happen and after and to talk about them too- unless there is a scenario where i have A arguing someone did something and B saying he did something else.
Now we have to check the vod to see if A or B is right.
It's sweaty if you check vods take notes on it and have a whole discussion about it for 4 hours.
Is that me saying being sweaty should never happen in any scenario? No - I'm just saying its sweaty.
Is it being saying its bad to be sweaty? No - I'm just saying its sweaty.
Nice to see NA players calling me a 'sweaty forum poster' because you're getting your feelings hurt because you're being called out for your sweatiness, but no surprise there.
(Hass)
Wizard of the ramp
ur not even worth my time
My point is that any form of review with an intention of improvement isn't sweaty. Your logic is "MY WAY OF DOING THINGS IS BEST AND ANYTHING ELSE IS SWEATY"
Hot take, NHF is the best 19 guild in the world currently. EU isn't even close.
Quackbesteu
Veteran
You missed every single point I made and ducked out.
You're so lost. God bless NA.
Powerlol
Grandfathered
I'll take as reference the prem vs prem that happened 17 days ago. Havoc vs NHF.
Although NHF has won easily, like I've said previously it's just because they master their syngergy. Both guild are supposed to be the best player on the field. However mistakes were made from BOTH team and a lot. Both in synergy as in knowledge of the gameplay & working mechanics in Classic.
https://clips.twitch.tv/SneakyJollyKeyboardNotLikeThis
In this clip you can see that Grizzly (supposed to be one of the best priest p.server) doing a shitty movment going base and leaving his team mates & his FC alone making alliance possible to have 1-0 cap although if he'd have been there he could have probably saved it.
Some might not have seen that but I've clearly seen that and I could point out other bad decision, less knowledge about gameplays on both faction
if this are the best NA players and EU isn't even close.. Well you guys have no clue about what you guys are talking about.
NA btw
ps: you can also some Mvq mistakes in that clip like why does he stays on Grizzly & kills him while he can leave him oom/low health and make him spend time into healing himself oom, would've make grizzly not look like a noob going to base doing nothing and why he goes to mage rather than going for FC that's on ToT would've maybe make the return of flag faster..
why that priest doens't instant dispel the sheep on mvq but rather use wand xd
Neebler
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The only thing sweaty here is ur obsession with level 19 twinking on the United states servers, not saying being sweaty is bad but it is sweaty.
