Talents Preview Discussion [w/ Calaculator Link]

[Lateraldrop]

we will be getting blessing of freedom and steed, that's enough mobility.

i am hoping for more damage dealing abilities.

everyone can healbot.

Didn't you play and advocate that a build that specifically could not healbot was META for like a quarter of this xpac?

 

[Nutsmite]

What would be an absolute skill or talent for hpals that'd shake things up at 20? What are your hpal dreams and aspirations?

I wish they implemented the old glyph of harsh words as a talent for hpal. Holy word would be ranged damaging holy power spender. That's the way to bring shockadin back

 

[tence]

What would be an absolute skill or talent for hpals that'd shake things up at 20? What are your hpal dreams and aspirations?

Castable denounce coming back that did damage and had the "cannot crit" debuff would help with hpally's lack of non-cooldown damage abilities compared to other healing classes.

 

[Kethcup]

Also (and I know ist only alpha so that's subject to change) HAVING ON DEMAND 40%HP HEAL WITH 25S CD MY GOD.

time for sword and board Fury

 

[Chops]

time for sword and board Fury

I was actually looking at that. You go hard left on the spec tree and hard right on the class tree? Probably full on meme build, but those are often quite fun

 

[Kethcup]

I was actually looking at that. You go hard left on the spec tree and hard right on the class tree? Probably full on meme build, but those are often quite fun

Sub out Storm Bolt for Intimidating Roat, Piercing Howl, Berserker Rage, or Intervene.

Basically, be super disrupting (12 sec cooldown interrupt, Rallying Cry, Spell Reflect) with a good amount of self-healing.

You are unfortunately forced into raging blow, and your executes will likely be weaker than an Arms or even Prot warriors, but will still Rage. If only Ignore Pain was still class-wide...

 

[Chops]

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Sub out Storm Bolt for Intimidating Roat, Piercing Howl, Berserker Rage, or Intervene.

Basically, be super disrupting (12 sec cooldown interrupt, Rallying Cry, Spell Reflect) with a good amount of self-healing.

You are unfortunately forced into raging blow, and your executes will likely be weaker than an Arms or even Prot warriors, but will still Rage. If only Ignore Pain was still class-wide...

i tried it out and the dmg is dog shit. Tanky disruption build is probably prot, given the new CD/abilities they get that help account for the dmg taken nerf in pvp AND increased mobility.

 

[Nutsmite]

i tried it out and the dmg is dog shit. Tanky disruption build is probably prot, given the new CD/abilities they get that help account for the dmg taken nerf in pvp AND increased mobility.

Have you tried or could you test how's the fury damage with rampage gone and all the raging blow buffs? Do you happen to overgenerate the rage?

 

[Chops]

Have you tried or could you test how's the fury damage with rampage gone and all the raging blow buffs? Do you happen to overgenerate the rage?

oh yea, your only spenders are slam and ww. But your only even marginally good dmg is during enrage, so you’re just stuck spamming bloodthirst and raging blow to try and fish for procs. Youre 100% rage most of the time

Fury is (currently) dead, guys. Sorry.

 

[Bop]

oh yea, your only spenders are slam and ww. But your only even marginally good dmg is during enrage, so you’re just stuck spamming bloodthirst and raging blow to try and fish for procs. Youre 100% rage most of the time

Fury is (currently) dead, guys. Sorry.

Maybe poor Arms will start to get some attention now that the oppressive Fury spec is on its way out.

 

[Chops]

At least “just get double destiny, bro” only lasted an xpac

 

[Bop]

At least “just get double destiny, bro” only lasted an xpac

I'd settle for Stockade Pauldrons at this point.

 

[Vyvenem]

MORE Hunter changes coming? Wowie!

Baseline Class Changes:

• Tenacity Pets no longer have Survival of the Fittest.
• Tenacity Pets have a new ability, Fortitude of the Bear. This grants you and your pet +20% maximum HP for a duration.

Class Tree:

• Thick Hides removed.

Survival:

• Kill Command (the Survival variant) now has an innate +10% chance to reset its cooldown. Predator’s value has been lowered from 25% to 15%.

POTENTIAL CHANGES
Class Tree:

• Survival of the Fittest is now in the class tree. (doesn't specify where)
• There is a choice node to modify Survival of the Fittest to have a shorter cooldown, or have higher damage reduction value. (also doesn't specify where)

Marksmanship:

• A bunch of nodes in the bottom left area have been shuffled around the tree. (it TECHNICALLY doesn't specify where, but I doubt it'd be to the top)

 

[Kethcup]

MORE Hunter changes coming? Wowie!

where are shadow priest changes. Or Fire Mage. Or literally anything other than huntard.

 

[Chops]

where are shadow priest changes. Or Fire Mage. Or literally anything other than huntard.

dont sweat it. every change is making hunters worse and worse at 20. SPriests look great. and yea, rip fire mage but eh... theyre still mages

 

[Kethcup]

SPriests look great.

yay can't wait for my entire rotation to be just mind flay because I need to take useless points to get to silence skipping over any and all throughput in a way literally no other class has to.

 

[Chops]

yay can't wait for my entire rotation to be just mind flay because I need to take useless points to get to silence skipping over any and all throughput in a way literally no other class has to.

Ok, quit the game then

 

[Ammonite]

... rip fire mage but eh... theyre still mages

Don't worry, Blizz will move Critical Mass up a tier so we can spec into the bonus crit chance

 

[glancealot]

I need to take useless points to get to silence

if that's the case, then chances are, the optimal way to spec is to skip silence.

 

[raziel83]

if that's the case, then chances are, the optimal way to spec is to skip silence.

But if you skip silence how are you going to pretend to be a rank 1 arena player in lvl 20 skirmishes?