Talents Preview Discussion [w/ Calaculator Link]
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Nutsmite
Veteran
yeah it's not that you can spec to the mind bomb instead (which is universally better because you can cast it on melee, unles you want to silence hunter for some reason) and get great talents on the way
Bop
Remember the Treeline
What's your point? Never pick silence under any circumstance? Oook.
Kethcup
Veteran
nope it's
I can have utility literally every other spec in the game gets for free, or I can have a real DPS rotation that every other spec in the game gets for free, including my healer specs!
Chops
Soccer Dad
Dont just say that, provide proof. Hardmode challenge, provide proof that isnt rogue.
Bop
Remember the Treeline
There are examples of classes that have damage and utility. I think what repliant friend is missing is that this is level 20. We're not guaranteed to have everything. Spriest is indisputably a top 10 spec at level 20, at least. Their damage numbers and offhealing are going to be just as good as this xpac - and even more when supplemented by the insanely good Priest class tree.
Part of the whole BG vs. Arena discussion of class viability that really bugs me... BGs just have lower average skill across all 20 (/30) players. So something like a silence seems useless when you compare it to an interrupt. But what if the player is good and juking, tossing in instant heals, peeling you so they can hard cast? What if you force a blanket silence and then an ally gets an easier interrupt as a result? Nope, doesn't matter, because it's 20 people running around like chickens with their heads cut off in random BGs. You don't need a silence to guarantee kills, so it's not valuable. Silence doesn't make my details bar look bigger, so it's bad.
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Chops
Soccer Dad
its the assertion that "everyone else gets for free" that irks me. Spec trees requiring you to spend a point or two on basic spells/abilities appears to be a very conscious design choice, not some oversight that afflicts only SPriests.
I think it boils down to people feeling cheated when they look at a tree that forces them to make a choice between two desirable talents. Instead of seeing two different builds for two different situations, they (like you point out) only see their DPS suffering in a steamroll BG and get grouchy.
Kethcup
Veteran
Shamans get a 12 sec cd interrupt, purge, healing, ghost wolf, oh and astral shift
how do they pay for that?
by having their full DPS rotation.
Nutsmite
Veteran
I think if you get hurt that despite having option to pick strong dps build on top of having mind bomb and keeping insane base priest utility YoU cAn'T hAvE SiLeNce, do me a favor and log on feral druid, suffer for a while and then come back and tell me spriest has bad because of silence talent row
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How is lava burst, flame shock and lightning bolt a full rotation but mind blast, sw pain, sw death, mind flay, mind sear (considering build with silence) and vampiric touch/devouring plague not a full rotation
Chops
Soccer Dad
Shear, purge and astral shift are all talents that cost. They arent free. Theyre also in the class tree, not the spec tree.
Lemme try this same thing: "Priests have fear, bubble, purge, desperate prayer oh and power infusion and they pay for it how? by having a DPS rotation as filled out as anyone else"
I dont understand why youre mad. SPriest looks incredible. ESPECIALLY with instant Mind Blast
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I think you'll be fine
troublesomesleeper
Veteran
Losing dispersion is sad. Being able to take prayer of mending and renew might be decent, will have to see how they scale.
Kethcup
Veteran
can't use in shadowform, hence further nerfing your already poor damage.
troublesomesleeper
Veteran
Was hoping for void eruption or other fun abilities on shadow. Then, you look at the warrior skill tree - its night and day difference.
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toskosa
Grandfathered
If this was an older xpac where swapping in and out of sform drained your mana then sure I would agree with you but as it currently stands it only really costs a global which can be reduced with haste which you already want as a spriest. Spriest is looking to be a mean battleground spec I cant wait to play it.
Like its going to be a rot/support spec at least thats how I will play it, I already get kills on live without a silence i am not sweating it lol. I will have teammates that can interrupt for me. Also for arena I can just que with someone who has a kick or something. My only real complaint is that I cant get misery and unfurling darkness at the same time
Also for solo bg play I wont be going Pi since I cnat use it on myself and I have no idea who will be in the bg. Ill go maschism instead to be beefier.
Goesid
Twink Info Legend
Why couldnt use PI on yourself?If this was an older xpac where swapping in and out of sform drained your mana then sure I would agree with you but as it currently stands it only really costs a global which can be reduced with haste which you already want as a spriest. Spriest is looking to be a mean battleground spec I cant wait to play it.
Like its going to be a rot/support spec at least thats how I will play it, I already get kills on live without a silence i am not sweating it lol. I will have teammates that can interrupt for me. Also for arena I can just que with someone who has a kick or something. My only real complaint is that I cant get misery and unfurling darkness at the same time
toskosa
Grandfathered
I could have sworn it is unusable on yourself? let me log onto my lvl 50 priest and look its been a while since I last used it.
nvm its a lvl 58 ability rofl none of my toons are over 50 to even check
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