Should we have Moderators/CoC on this site?

Should we have Moderators/CoC on this site?


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Harassment is a thing on the internet but the only people that lose their head about it and do something stupid are the ticking time bombs who were going to do something stupid eventually anyway.

internet harassment is like the most mild form of harassment and the easiest to walk away from maybe good practice for those ticking time bomb types
 
Harassment is a thing on the internet but the only people that lose their head about it and do something stupid are the ticking time bombs who were going to do something stupid eventually anyway.

internet harassment is like the most mild form of harassment and the easiest to walk away from maybe good practice for those ticking time bomb types

I really don't think its that black and white, but that is a fundamental disagreement and that is okay.
 
If you can control your emotions enough that being harassed on the internet sets you off you are in big fucking trouble out in the real world... Like big big trouble...

But it in reality there are not many people like that... You can't honestly say that yall spend all of your free time deleting and editing people's posts on the off chance that the victim of that persons post happens to be severely mentally unstable...

If you're being honest with us and yourself you do it because it largely makes you feel powerful.
 
If you can control your emotions enough that being harassed on the internet sets you off you are in big fucking trouble out in the real world... Like big big trouble...

But it in reality there are not many people like that... You can't honestly say that yall spend all of your free time deleting and editing people's posts on the off chance that the victim of that persons post happens to be severely mentally unstable...

If you're being honest with us and yourself you do it because it largely makes you feel powerful.

I hardly ever have censored anyone, you don't know me, you don't know what I'm like, I think edward snowden is an american hero, I get zero gratification from censorship, do I like power? Authority should always be a burden, but yes I like power, but only the sort that is used positively, and censorship is very seldom positive, it makes me feel dirty every time I do it. If i'm being honest with you, it doesn't matter if the person is mentally unstable or not, words written are as powerful as words spoken and the internet is a real as you or I.
 
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Everyone's vote counts, democracy.

No. It's like making a poll to get rid of the police yet we have 8 police officers able voting no. This is a small community and when the fuck would a mod vote yes for his position to get relieved?

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37 to 32.

and to be more realistic if I wasn't posting this and it was under a different name like I said before we would have different results. Half this thread is people personally attacking me because they hate me. Alot of the people in yes probably wouldn't vote for me even if I started a campaign to save children in Africa.

This is a lost war you are fighting, you even go against yourself, your thread says no CoC and Moderators. Yet on your quotes you state they are needed. Make up your mind. Goodbye.

I do? Please be specific so I can answer your question instead of making redundant bullshit.
 
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Actually Agonist, I voted like I did because I feel that way. Just because there has been hard feelings between us in the past, doesnt mean I have some vendetta against you. If you look back at your BoA trinket thread you will see that I even complimented you there.
 
When I see an old controversial thread and I'm going through the first pages and I see people banned everyone's like "RIP BANNED" or "BAN HAMMER LLOLOLOLLLLLL". It's never been like "damn that guy said some really mean stuff it's about time someone did something because it was getting really bad I feel bad for so and so".
 
conq, this isn't real life. if someone takes this forum page and the game of world of warcraft as real life they need help. I mean for Christ sakes when you log in the tip wow gives you is to take this game in moderation and to have fun with your friends in game and OUT OF GAME. Meaning gtfo wow and go outside, this game shouldn't be peoples life......
 
No. It's like making a poll to get rid of the police yet we have 8 police officers able voting no. This is a small community and when the fuck would a mod vote yes for his position to get relieved?

Yup, cause thats how voting works. We prevent people from voting if they are invested in the vote. So since one option is moderators, they shouldn't vote. Oh wait...the other option is to have no moderators...so people who aren't moderators also shouldn't vote.

and to be more realistic if I wasn't posting this and it was under a different name like I said before we would have different results. Half this thread is people personally attacking me because they hate me. Alot of the people in yes probably wouldn't vote for me even if I started a campaign to save children in Africa.

Its not so much that people hate you. I've never really met you or interacted with you before really. But the whole poll and OP is super aggressive and biased, as well as playing to extremes. You're right that the poll isn't accurate. We have people voting "no mods" who want some moderation, but less than what we have now. We have people voting against the whole proposal because its super aggressive and confrontational.

Would they not vote for you if you started a campaign to save children in Africa because they hate you? Maybe. But if you convey your Africa campaign the same way you convey your ideas here - yeah people would probably not support that campaign.


I do? Please be specific so I can answer your question instead of making redundant bullshit.

From the OP:

...We shouldn't need mods as I said before. Only serious offenses like scamming or personal info leaks should be removed...


Your first sentence here (and the point of the whole OP and poll really) is that we should NOT HAVE MODS. Literally, the next fucking sentence, you say that we should remove serious offenses. Who will remove the serious offenses? A magical fairy? Will we have a voteban or voteremove capability? (If so, whats to stop a group of ppl banding together to censor people by mass voteban/removing people they don't like?)





All that being said. Your point remains (somewhat) valid - the current level of moderation (and content of the CoC) isn't acceptable for some people. You keep alienating people from your cause by being confrontational and extreme. If you really want to make a difference, go through the CoC and bring up key points that you think should be changed and why. Push for moderator openness like a modlog that is open to everyone to view so we can clearly see that there aren't any abuses. Post in a reasonable manner without attacking anyone and people will focus on what you have to say rather than who you are. If you can't express your points with logic behind them and in a reasonable manner, then people won't listen to you. If you continue to be confrontational and extreme, you either don't know how to interact with people and won't make any headway, or youre intentionally trolling.


TL;DR - If we're worried about cops being corrupted, we make them wear bodycams for our protection and their protection, not get rid of cops altogether. If we're worried about mods being corrupted, we make their actions public for our protection and theirs, not get rid of mods altogether.

And stop being a dick about it.
 
No. It's like making a poll to get rid of the police yet we have 8 police officers able voting no. This is a small community and when the fuck would a mod vote yes for his position to get relieved?

To suggest that anyone's vote doesn't count is far worse than any censorship. If your phrasing wasn't enough to tilt the poll the way you wanted it to go, surely negating 7 or so votes will. Lol what a joke.

Under the same logic anyone who has ever had an action taken against them shouldn't have their vote counted, oh yeah, and you too, your vote definitely shouldn't count.
 
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Yup, cause thats how voting works. We prevent people from voting if they are invested in the vote. So since one option is moderators, they shouldn't vote. Oh wait...the other option is to have no moderators...so people who aren't moderators also shouldn't vote.


The fact you can't grasp the point is fucking beyond me. This is a poll that argues the idea of getting rid of moderators and we have a large amount of moderators voting against it. You are calling me extreme yet you make up some fucking idiotic extreme reasoning.



Its not so much that people hate you. I've never really met you or interacted with you before really. But the whole poll and OP is super aggressive and biased, as well as playing to extremes. You're right that the poll isn't accurate. We have people voting "no mods" who want some moderation, but less than what we have now. We have people voting against the whole proposal because its super aggressive and confrontational.

Would they not vote for you if you started a campaign to save children in Africa because they hate you? Maybe. But if you convey your Africa campaign the same way you convey your ideas here - yeah people would probably not support that campaign.


Exactly, like an emotional bitch that you are, you focus on how I say it as oppose to what I say. You are a child.

Your first sentence here (and the point of the whole OP and poll really) is that we should NOT HAVE MODS. Literally, the next fucking sentence, you say that we should remove serious offenses. Who will remove the serious offenses? A magical fairy? Will we have a voteban or voteremove capability? (If so, whats to stop a group of ppl banding together to censor people by mass voteban/removing people they don't like?)


Myrm, the person who owns the site? Maybe I'll one up you there. We probably will need another person to get rid of those extremes, yet it would have to be someone whos not going censor everything and moderate this place down to the ground. You are correct there.


All that being said. Your point remains (somewhat) valid - the current level of moderation (and content of the CoC) isn't acceptable for some people. You keep alienating people from your cause by being confrontational and extreme. If you really want to make a difference, go through the CoC and bring up key points that you think should be changed and why. Push for moderator openness like a modlog that is open to everyone to view so we can clearly see that there aren't any abuses. Post in a reasonable manner without attacking anyone and people will focus on what you have to say rather than who you are. If you can't express your points with logic behind them and in a reasonable manner, then people won't listen to you. If you continue to be confrontational and extreme, you either don't know how to interact with people and won't make any headway, or youre intentionally trolling.


TL;DR - If we're worried about cops being corrupted, we make them wear bodycams for our protection and their protection, not get rid of cops altogether. If we're worried about mods being corrupted, we make their actions public for our protection and theirs, not get rid of mods altogether.

And stop being a dick about it.


No. How about you stop being an emotional bitch who can't control his emotions on a fucking World of Warcraft forum. I'm not going to speak like a politically correct faggot who thinks hes so smart with all the fancy words he uses. See the thing is here motherfucker I speak my mind. I reveal my feeling. I'm not going to bow down to what you think is ''reasonable'' or not.
 
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conq, this isn't real life. if someone takes this forum page and the game of world of warcraft as real life they need help. I mean for Christ sakes when you log in the tip wow gives you is to take this game in moderation and to have fun with your friends in game and OUT OF GAME. Meaning gtfo wow and go outside, this game shouldn't be peoples life......

This game should be whatever an individual desires it to be, and I for one don't need or want anyone telling me how to spend my time, least of all blizzard. The fact of the matter is that this is a game, but games are real life and people en mass take it very seriously. Your opinion on weather that should be or not doesn't impact the fact that it is true.
 
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Exactly, like an emotional bitch that you are, you focus on how I say it as oppose to what I say. You are a child.

I disagree with what you're saying fundamentally, not based on how you say it - I'd probably leave if we had a forum filled with trash talk and no mods - it just does nothing for me. But the way you come across isn't helping either.

No. How about you stop being an emotional bitch who can't control his emotions on a fucking World of Warcraft forum. I'm not going to speak like a politically correct faggot who thinks hes so smart with all the fancy words he uses. See the thing is here motherfucker I speak my mind. I reveal my feeling. I'm not going to bow down to what you think is ''reasonable'' or not.

But humans are emotional beings. No matter how logical you are or how much you try to counteract it - we make judgements based on how we see people. If you want to reach people, why not convey your points in ways that don't push people away? You don't have to be "politically correct" or use "fancy words". You can speak your mind. Just filter out things like calling people faggots and immature children. Even if it is true, its not gonna win you any votes. Focus on the issue at hand.
 
I disagree with what you're saying fundamentally, not based on how you say it


And stop being a dick about it
You keep alienating people from your cause by being confrontational and extreme
. But the whole poll and OP is super aggressive
. But the whole poll and OP is super aggressive
Would they not vote for you if you started a campaign to save children in Africa because they hate you? Maybe.
Post in a reasonable manner
Post in a reasonable manner
Post in a reasonable manner
If you can't express your points with logic behind them and in a reasonable manner
If you can't express your points with logic behind them and in a reasonable manner
If you can't express your points with logic behind them and in a reasonable manner
And stop being a dick about it

But humans are emotional beings. No matter how logical you are or how much you try to counteract it - we make judgements based on how we see people. If you want to reach people, why not convey your points in ways that don't push people away? You don't have to be "politically correct" or use "fancy words". You can speak your mind. Just filter out things like calling people faggots and immature children. Even if it is true, its not gonna win you any votes. Focus on the issue at hand.

No. Mature people make judgements on the actual point, immature people concentrate how how the person says it or if there is ''offensive'' words present. You prove my point again. ''Don't call people immature and faggots even if it is true''. This is what this society does, instead of telling you the truth, sensitivity takes precedence. We censor peoples words because at the end of the day we don't like it. Most of my insults are there for a reason. I'm not calling people ''Autistic faggot porcupine public lickers'' or something stupid like that. I am presenting arguments and not just insulting people with one liners.
 
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No. Mature people make judgements on the actual point, immature people concentrate how how the person says it or if there ''offensive'' words present. You prove my point again. ''Don't call people immature and faggots even it id it is true''. This is what this society does, instead of telling you the truth, sensitivity takes precedence. We censor peoples words because at the end of the day we don't like it. Most of insults are there for a reason. I'm not calling people ''Autistic faggot porcupine public lickers'' or something stupid like that. I am presenting arguments not just blandly insulting people with one liners.

With all this spare time you have, shouldn't you be blogging/gaming or writing essays? I mean this in the most sincere of ways.
 

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