Are vets, by nature, who have a huge advantage over levelers, exploiting ?


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Why only "vets" in title? Is it so big difference between vets and "pure" trials? Mostly its only time for gearing, chanting etc. All other difference is around 1~5% of full avalable BIS.

What is the question? May be is about fair and intresting game? So... I see hunter at topic starters avatar ;) FOTM > any gear
 
The amount of mental gymnastics some of yall are engaging in to conflate "gearing to bis" and even twinking with "exploiting" is insane.
instead of just calling it mental gymnastics how about addressing some points and proving them wrong? maybe? :)
 
instead of just calling it mental gymnastics how about addressing some points and proving them wrong? maybe? :)

have you actually offered any points or opinions on this thread without just saying that someone else was stupid?

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the craziest thing just happened. i reread your first take and realized i read it wrong. but when i read it right it was even more stupid as what i thought you were saying.

stating that people played f2p before wod because veterans didnt exist literally adds nothing to your argument. i dont even understand why you would add it to your argument. it would make an equal amount of sense to add "the sky is indeed blue" at the end of your statement.
 
have you actually offered any points or opinions on this thread without just saying that someone else was stupid?

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do you read what i reply

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veterans not being new != veterans arent scummy. "its like people dying of cancer not taking drugs because they think jesus will save them" false equivalency. (removed because dumb lol). pls look at the practices into making a vet character and what a vet character does while tell me it isnt scummy. vet != scummy is like debuffers != scummy. same level of delusion

no one is stupid enough to delude themselves into thinking that debuffing isnt scummy. i agree. debuffers are scummier than veteran. BUT THEY ARE BOTH SCUMMY. thats the reason its hypocritical to shit on debuffers when ur a vet. U ALSO ARE A SCUMLORD (not u specifically just veterans in general pls no hate ;( ).

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this is what you call a strawman boys and girls

What exploit is being used? Level is not an exploit, debuff, gems, enchants; none of these are exploits. The option to que into bgs is clearly intentional as well. Ask any number of idiots (like myself) that screwed up the xp debuff trick and had to rq a game before leveling. I don't mind the argument that Debuff is scummy or whatever, I am sure there is something there (although much less of something now that you can get to the same power level w FTP toons thanks to the prof changes). Calling it an exploit is just a misunderstanding of the term defined in the first post.

it is true that enchants, gems, debuffs, professions are not exploits in of themselves. its the way they are used/gained that can be seen as exploitative. using the fact that they arent exploits in of themselves to justify the exploitative way people use to debuff or the notrlyexploitativebutvryweird way of subbing, gearing out character at level 20, sitting at 20 until sub runs out and kill levelers 24/7 is like justifying going oob while having a flag on your back with "well jumping isnt an exploit, and neither is standing. the way i got here shouldve been fixed along time ago, therefore i am completely justified in abusing this spot making the game worse day in and day out.".
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this is yet another example of a strawman boys and girls
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this would be true if veteran twinks were either endorsed by blizzard or it was shown to be an intentional thing blizzard made for twinks. its true that veteran twinks dont blatanly grab the ball and run across the field, its more like they take steroids behind game like fully geared tf out gems, bis enchants, grandfathered op af items, and are basically dominating the field like they are fighting against babies.

however once again, it isnt about what is more scummy or not. and also this is quite the false equivalency because a cheapshot in soccer might be just that a cheapshot, but stretching out the rules in wow is like going oob without any exploits or being able to fly across the map as a demon hunter without being able to get hit once because demon hunter lol

they are both scummy. one shouldnt make fun of the other because they are BOTH scummy. case closed. debuffers shouldnt fuck with veterans because they are scummy. veterans shouldnt fuck with debuffers because they are scummy.

I’m not arguing that veterans are cheaters, it’s just the points in here aren’t good at all lol

1. removed because I’m dumb lol sorry

2. VETERAN TWINKS do indeed have advantages such as legion gear, gf head neck artifact weapons etc, and dungeon gear with gems whilst being enchanted. Some of these things can theoretically be farmed by the “normal player”, but aren’t feasible at all. To get dungeon gear you must run several dungeons tens of times leveling you out of the bracket before getting all your gear. To get legion gear you must send the gear to your main character from another imaginary level 25 character all casual players just have, or try to look in the auction house to be fucked over because twink gear is a market only in twink servers. To get gems you must either magically find gems from old world tbc in retail that aren’t selling for 10k each, or literally level jewel fucking crafting and farm the gems and make the gems yourself whilst staying in the level bracket. Also, I’m really sure that the casual player also has tens of hundreds of consumables that cost marks of fucking honor. With this logic I could say that debuffing is justified because it’s possible for a casual player to just do some weird ass backwards trick and also be debuffed like me, it’s their fault for not taking advantage of this. Jesus lmao

3. Please stop conflating veteran and f2p twinks. A veteran twink isn’t just a unsubbed level 20 character, that’s called a f2p. A veteran twink is a twink created through subbing, getting op gear no leveler would spend the time getting, getting gems no one creates besides twinks, in literally a couple days or less then waiting a entire month and putting xp gain back on before the time runs out, waiting a day so the shit doesn’t get bugged out and u level accidentally, then smurfing on levelers and maybe the 3-5 twinks in the bg because the rest of them are wargaming.

also nice edit on that post throwing shade on me bruh real gamer tactics up in this bitch lov u <3

yes i know you cant disprove the points yourself maybe but even when you deflect you are still wrong lol
 
I know I'm right, and I've made the points I wanted to make. It's all flippant posting from here on out.

But I appreciate your input and will take your concerns under advisement.
based take. yeah, i know im right. people who debuff literally are all weightlifters. i made all the points i wanted to make. any attempt of someone disagreeing with me and me defending my points is just flippant posting man. why do i need to defend what i say? well i dont know. i just know im right because thats how arguments work. based take
godstiny fucking based take up in this bitch bruh
 
What is this thread even about?

You people must really be bored to have a convo on what is intended with f2p/vet accounts.
its true.. people should just try and get debuffers banned with no backlash.. conversation about the hypocrisy shouldnt be glorified.. we are just bored its true.. :Sadge:
 
ou people must really be bored to have a convo on what is intended with

its true.. people should just try and get debuffers banned with no backlash.. conversation about the hypocrisy shouldnt be glorified.. we are just bored its true.. :Sadge:

Why don't you all just make a thread pointing out these exploiters and mass report them. there are enough real twinks to address this issue. As The main twink community I would think we'd have enough manpower to just mass report. the work wont ever end as D-bags will have to cheat to have fun but we could just keep mass reporting them in a master thread.
 
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(viii) Do not create @threads. No need to bring your private drama to the public. Keep it private, like Conversations

So legalism is the answer? K thanks.

I guess you will all have to mass report via other non public means.

Big F when the system doesn't allow easy reporting and public shaming of the immoral.

rule says private and this is a public issue...
 
Some brave snitch souls would need to do the legwork of writing up the @hacks message and compile the screenshots/videos that the rest of us lazy mofos can then forward on.
 
Why don't you all just make a thread pointing out these exploiters and mass report them. there are enough real twinks to address this issue. As The main twink community I would think we'd have enough manpower to just mass report. the work wont ever end as D-bags will have to cheat to have fun but we could just keep mass reporting them in a master thread.
i understand that you like having power but i have seen so many communities perish because of what they started. it starts with mass reporting between two communities, then it escalates to maybe accounts hacked, then doxing, then swatting, etc etc. this always happens and starting it is always a net negative.
 
i understand that you like having power but i have seen so many communities perish because of what they started. it starts with mass reporting between two communities, then it escalates to maybe accounts hacked, then doxing, then swatting, etc etc. this always happens and starting it is always a net negative.

We really lack the technology and detective work to discern a report as opposed to a squabble between communities?
What's so hard about posting a video of a F2P BG with a xp debuff d-bag?

All I hear is someone is to lazy to just do the work and others are to abusive to allow healthy reporting within/on the site.

it's your community it thrives as much as you allow it.
 
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