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[BANKONE]

Vet is not scummy IMO.

vets are not new. They were released in WOD.

the only reason most people only played pure/linked f2p prior to that was for the fact that vets didn’t exist.

history lesson.

I was a pure and proud f2p myself until WOD came and blizz gave me the gift to turn into a vet.

it’s like people dying of cancer not taking drugs because they think Jesus will save them

edit. Or the vaccine

 

[Conzil]

Vet is not scummy IMO.

vets are not new. They were released in WOD.

the only reason most people only played pure/linked f2p prior to that was for the fact that vets didn’t exist.

history lesson.

I was a pure and proud f2p myself until WOD came and blizz gave me the gift to turn into a vet.

it’s like people dying of cancer not taking drugs because they think Jesus will save them

Imagine being a cool F2P and then deciding to go VET, you are no true F2P.

 

[Dach]

Yall stay safe out there

 

[Goesid]

no one is arguing that one is more scummy than the other, its black and white bruh. its either scummy or not. the point was vet is scummy, arguably exploitative, therefore vets cant shit on debuffers as it would be hypocritical

Yes they can. Because debuffers are scummy exploiters.

 

[BANKONE]

Imagine being a cool F2P and then deciding to go VET, you are no true F2P.

exactly this. I never played F2P originally with the current martyr-esque attitude that current F2Ps have, considering to be some kind of purist in a land of (vet) temptation.

I have always played 20s with the alternative endgame mindset.

If I have to pay at least one $15 to blizz to optimize my alternative endgame toon. So be it.

as long as I am not paying $15 perpetually. (like the debuffers do)

I don’t hate the F2P purists btw. Great for you

 

[Newaccount]

make this argument

this isnt my argument to make its somfas's argument to make. i replied because ppl dont understand what somfas's argument is, im not here to fight for somfas like a fking white knight lmao

Vet is not scummy IMO.

vets are not new. They were released in WOD.

the only reason most people only played pure/linked f2p prior to that was for the fact that vets didn’t exist.

history lesson.

I was a pure and proud f2p myself until WOD came and blizz gave me the gift to turn into a vet.

it’s like people dying of cancer not taking drugs because they think Jesus will save them

edit. Or the vaccine

veterans not being new != veterans arent scummy. "its like people dying of cancer not taking drugs because they think jesus will save them" false equivalency. (removed because dumb lol). pls look at the practices into making a vet character and what a vet character does while tell me it isnt scummy. vet != scummy is like debuffers != scummy. same level of delusion

Yes they can. Because debuffers are scummy exploiters.

no one is stupid enough to delude themselves into thinking that debuffing isnt scummy. i agree. debuffers are scummier than veteran. BUT THEY ARE BOTH SCUMMY. thats the reason its hypocritical to shit on debuffers when ur a vet. U ALSO ARE A SCUMLORD (not u specifically just veterans in general pls no hate ;( ).

 

[Chops]

"the only reason most people only played pure/linked f2p prior to that was for the fact vets didn't exist." this means nothing as there is no way to prove such a statement.

lol what

 

[Newaccount]

lol what

such an extremely intelligent statement right there. my claim was completely refuted by chops the extremely intelligent wow genius.

 

[icehawk]

Some of us r just trialing the game…… it’s not our fault it takes 5 to 10 years to make a decision on the game….

 

[BANKONE]

In chops defense I was going to say the same thing…but I decided to just not respond.

There’s nothing to prove or disprove here. Before WOD patch 6.X, the veteran account system did not exist, and therefore anyone who wanted to take a f2p further than it’s limits was unable to do so (without perpetually paying)

EDIT: now that I’m thinking about it. I guess anyone who doesn’t know the whole history of F2P/vet accounts or started playing after that WOD patch might actually think otherwise.

edit2: this entire argument is not new - there were folks raising threads like this about F2P when it was unveiled. The Only difference is, now there is a choice. Blizzard has documented the vet account status process and limitations. The only thing that could be perceived as scummy is the bug that prevents vets from queing if their sub ends while xp is turned off. That’s a bonafide bug that folks on this site have GM testimony on.

There is no clever mechanics or unintended play happening on a vet account.

 

[Somfas]

/hands on forehead, stares dismissively.

 

[Newaccount]

In chops defense I was going to say the same thing…but I decided to just not respond.

There’s nothing to prove or disprove here. Before WOD patch 6.X, the veteran account system did not exist, and therefore anyone who wanted to take a f2p further than it’s limits was unable to do so (without perpetually paying)

EDIT: now that I’m thinking about it. I guess anyone who doesn’t know the whole history of F2P/vet accounts or started playing after that WOD patch might actually think otherwise.

edit2: this entire argument is not new - there were folks raising threads like this about F2P when it was unveiled. The Only difference is, now there is a choice. Blizzard has documented the vet account status process and limitations. The only thing that could be perceived as scummy is the bug that prevents vets from queing if their sub ends while xp is turned off. That’s a bonafide bug that folks on this site have GM testimony on.

There is no clever mechanics or unintended play happening on a vet account.

the craziest thing just happened. i reread your first take and realized i read it wrong. but when i read it right it was even more stupid as what i thought you were saying.

stating that people played f2p before wod because veterans didnt exist literally adds nothing to your argument. i dont even understand why you would add it to your argument. it would make an equal amount of sense to add "the sky is indeed blue" at the end of your statement.

also, you keep making it seem like blizzard added veteran accounts therefor veteran twinks are not scummy. the reason they added veteran accounts is because if you had a sub and ran out before wod it wouldnt let you play the game. lmao

 

[Somfas]

ok, let me put it this way. for the sake of argument, let's say a person is a serial killer and stalks his prey, finds out where they live, does all his homework and plans his kills with precise method to execute his plan perfectly, bedazzling the authorities and doesn't get caught. Then, another serial killer just goes out and randomly finds victims and uses a gun to shoot em in the head! So, the methodical serial killer calls out the shooter and calls him a baddie, saying he is a trash and shouldn't be allowed to kill unless he uses some skill........... hello??............hello?? here's your fucken sign!!! nuff said.
[doublepost=1627430273,1627429976][/doublepost]it's all perspective, vet=scummy debuffer=scummy twink=scummy, bro, just stop pretending that your elitist righteous viewpoint actually has some bearing on how scummy we all are, let's just embrace the fact that we are scummy and have a group hug starting a STA meeting for anyone that is interested. Scummy Twinks Anonymous. Recovery, Step 1: Admitted that we were powerless over our scummy twinking desire and that our reputation has been tainted! more steps to come at future meetings. meeting adjourned!

 

[Newaccount]

ok, let me put it this way. for the sake of argument, let's say a person is a serial killer and stalks his prey, finds out where they live, does all his homework and plans his kills with precise method to execute his plan perfectly, bedazzling the authorities and doesn't get caught. Then, another serial killer just goes out and randomly finds victims and uses a gun to shoot em in the head! So, the methodical serial killer calls out the shooter and calls him a baddie, saying he is a trash and shouldn't be allowed to kill unless he uses some skill........... hello??............hello?? here's your fucken sign!!! nuff said.
[doublepost=1627430273,1627429976][/doublepost]it's all perspective, vet=scummy debuffer=scummy twink=scummy, bro, just stop pretending that your elitist righteous viewpoint actually has some bearing on how scummy we all are, let's just embrace the fact that we are scummy and have a group hug starting a STA meeting for anyone that is interested. Scummy Twinks Anonymous. Recovery, Step 1: Admitted that we were powerless over our scummy twinking desire and that our reputation has been tainted! more steps to come at future meetings. meeting adjourned!

well somfas according to xxvetgodxx vet twinks were MADE by blizzard. they were ENDORSED to gear tf out, get gf gear, get op enchants and then wait for their sub to run out. even if they probably wouldnt endorse it because endorsing someone not paying them is very fking stupid, they STILL DID. argument won EZ

vet arent scummy

 

[Somfas]

this issue reminds me of the Israel-Palentine conflict, there will never be peace between twinks because everyone is holding on to their righteousness about being legitimate instead of realizing that we are indeed brothers and sisters! sadge

 

[ohti]

Wow how did I know this thread was going to go to shit I'm like a psychic at this point.

 

[BANKONE]

I’m assuming this thread was a semi direct response to me poking at somfas in the other xpoff debuff thread.

btw love the responses.

I’m off my pedestal and will go back to using this site for trading, for my op vet.

 

[Chops]

ok, let me put it this way. for the sake of argument, let's say a person is a serial killer and stalks his prey, finds out where they live, does all his homework and plans his kills with precise method to execute his plan perfectly, bedazzling the authorities and doesn't get caught. Then, another serial killer just goes out and randomly finds victims and uses a gun to shoot em in the head! So, the methodical serial killer calls out the shooter and calls him a baddie, saying he is a trash and shouldn't be allowed to kill unless he uses some skill........... hello??............hello?? here's your fucken sign!!! nuff said.

Its more like this

We all get together to play a game of soccer. Its fairly competitive, so things get a little intense and people are really stretching the rules. Theres flopping, theres some cheeky off-side play, a little calf raking with cleats, maybe even someone recreates the Hand Of God moment from the 86 world cup. But within the rules of play and the refs discretion these things fly. Is there a bit of "come on, thats kinda lame" going on for everyone? Sure. But thems the rules.

Then someone just decides "fuck it, Im gonna pick up the ball and run it across the goal line". Now we have a blatant rule violation. Sure, you can argue that if the goal is to get the ball across the goal line, then not being able to use your hands seems arbitrary. And hey, if I can use my hands then you can also use yours. And look, we're already flopping and getting away with the occasional handball and other lame shit so whats wrong with this particular lame shit? if you're not down with picking the ball up that sucks but we're gonna do it. Especially if the ref is looking the other way.

But at that point, we're not playing the game we all agreed to play. This is not to ruleset we understood and signed up for. If we wanted to play rugby, we'd have signed up for rugby.

And sure, yea, Im aware that I sound like the poindexter coach in Air Bud (shut up, let me mix my sports metaphors) running up and down the court yelling at the refs that "no a dog isnt allowed to play basketball" as some labrador dunks all over my team, but the rules do exist for a reason and by playing this game, we agreed that we would abide by those rules.

But when you show up, blatantly violate the rules and then your defense is "well the rules suck! I dont like them, they arent fun! They dont let me play the way I want to!" then maybe this isnt the game for you.

 

[Newaccount]

Its more like this

We all get together to play a game of soccer. Its fairly competitive, so things get a little intense and people are really stretching the rules. Theres flopping, theres some cheeky off-side play, a little calf raking with cleats, maybe even someone recreates the Hand Of God moment from the 86 world cup. But within the rules of play and the refs discretion these things fly. Is there a bit of "come on, thats kinda lame" going on for everyone? Sure. But thems the rules.

Then someone just decides "fuck it, Im gonna pick up the ball and run it across the goal line". Now we have a blatant rule violation. Sure, you can argue that if the goal is to get the ball across the goal line, then not being able to use your hands seems arbitrary. And hey, if I can use my hands then you can also use yours. And look, we're already flopping and getting away with the occasional handball and other lame shit so whats wrong with this particular lame shit? if you're not down with picking the ball up that sucks but we're gonna do it. Especially if the ref is looking the other way.

But at that point, we're not playing the game we all agreed to play. This is not to ruleset we understood and signed up for. If we wanted to play rugby, we'd have signed up for rugby.

And sure, yea, Im aware that I sound like the poindexter coach in Air Bud (shut up, let me mix my sports metaphors) running up and down the court yelling at the refs that "no a dog isnt allowed to play basketball" as some labrador dunks all over my team, but the rules do exist for a reason and by playing this game, we agreed that we would abide by those rules.

But when you show up, blatantly violate the rules and then your defense is "well the rules suck! I dont like them, they arent fun! They dont let me play the way I want to!" then maybe this isnt the game for you.

not rly. its more like this

a group of ppl show up at some random fucking lemonade stand (how fucking stupid they are) and they all ask the man running the stand, whatever the fuck you call em, if they have any grapes. like whtttt??????? who asks that?????? no one cares about you guys. anyways, the man says no wtf bruh we only sell lemonade on deez streets cuh it fresh and shit man u wan som? then the group of guys fucking waddled away like some penguins or someshit. what the hell is this group of people? and then the next day the CHAD debuffers came up and asked for grapes. the hoe ass running the shit starts complainin like some hoes so the CHAD DEBUFFERS turn the lemonade into FUCKING GRAPES. NOW HE SELLS GRAPES FOR A LIVING. THE FUCKING END BRUH

 

[Kaxle]

not rly. its more like this

a group of ppl show up at some random fucking lemonade stand (how fucking stupid they are) and they all ask the man running the stand, whatever the fuck you call em, if they have any grapes. like whtttt??????? who asks that?????? no one cares about you guys. anyways, the man says no wtf bruh we only sell lemonade on deez streets cuh it fresh and shit man u wan som? then the group of guys fucking waddled away like some penguins or someshit. what the hell is this group of people? and then the next day the CHAD debuffers came up and asked for grapes. the hoe ass running the shit starts complainin like some hoes so the CHAD DEBUFFERS turn the lemonade into FUCKING GRAPES. NOW HE SELLS GRAPES FOR A LIVING. THE FUCKING END BRUH