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Hell, even crusader, 15 agi, lifestealing aren't intended for anyone below level 60 - does that make every single twink (or leveler) an exploiter? No, it doesn't.

If this was true, then Blizzard would have implemented restrictions on all of the enchants on top of the leg enchants. Clearly they are intended to be enchanted on any item.

Also, this kind of thing isn't on the same level as a F2P account. What was done in this thread involved bug abusing/GM exploitation.

Although this thread is on its last legs...

Guys that are saying getting Precious Ribbon is principally the same as getting guild boas - you have yet to give a reasonable explanation of why.

If I strolled up to a lvl 85/90 in downtown Goldshire and politely asked him to somehow help me get/give me guild boas and was successful - that would be the same principal as getting Precious Ribbon.

Getting the Ribbon requires bug abusing (ICC enter bug). At least for myself, I frown on any bug abuse so I'm against both the DK bug, this BoA GM exploitation, and the ICC bug. But that's just me. Everyone has their own opinion.
 
So, now, this is defined as cheating. It's funny how all twinks post-Cata has became so moral and ethical about all these "unfair advantages". Before, everyone had 450 mining, leg-, shoulder- and head enchants which weren't intended for twinks - and still it was used and let alone accepted by everyone in the twinking community. Two more recent examples are pyrium wep chain, which has been OP as hell for anyone that's able to have ToT on their target, or the engineering bug in early Cata which made 60s able to get engineering stuff that weren't intended.

Hell, even crusader, 15 agi, lifestealing aren't intended for anyone below level 60 - does that make every single twink (or leveler) an exploiter? No, it doesn't.

Somone who successfully gets their quest reward changed is, by your definition, an exploiter as well then, I guess? As, since Cata, it's against the GMs' rules to restore or swap quest rewards.

My point is that you need to be consistent in your bashing of "unintended" items or enchants, And this does not only apply to you, but to anyone - you can't say one unintended glitch/expolit/bug is okay, and hate on another exploit without looking like a fullblood hypocrite. Hell, if you were to be consistent you'd bash ppl with GF'd gear because they are having an unfair advantage over non-GF'd ppl - and I truly doubt you or anyone else would do that (except for in the 29 bracket ofc then).

You are missing the point completely.

There are things that this game is DESIGNED to allow, such as crusader enchants. Then there are things that this game was once designed to allow, such as leg armor kits and 450 professions.

As long as the game ALLOWS for players to utilize those things, it is not 'cheating' because anyone can do it, as per the rules of the game.

Then you have things like the guild BoAs exploit for F2Ps. The game DOES NOT allow for a F2P to acquire guild BoAs (or P2P enchants), and so a player must trick a GM in order to get those on his F2P account.

That's why it's cheating.
 
450 proffs was allowed, leg, head and shoulder enchants was not as they required you to get around the level restraint on them to apply them to your gear.
 
Is following a 90 smashing mobs in for rep because you can't do it on your own any more legit than this?
Yes. You honestly don't think so? Could you please tell me the difference in stat between the items non-GM-exploiting f2p's use compared to guild BoA's of the same slot, versus the difference in stat between ANY tabard or shirt the common f2p uses versus the tabard or shirt that one rep grinds for with 90 help? The point is getting these vanity items are just that, VANITY. The stat difference is zero, therefore there is zero advantage of someone with the vanity items over someone without. Never thought I'd see the day where this kind of thing needs explaining. I couldn't care less if you ran around in a purple Barnie suit you grinded a year and a half for with 200 level 90's helping you because it gives you absolutely no advantage. It's a big difference when people exploit in order to get these guild boa's with "p2p enchants". There's an actual stat difference which translates into damage/healing in the game, therefore giving an unfair advantage.
 
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Yes. You honestly don't think so? Could you please tell me the difference in stat between the items non-GM-exploiting f2p's use compared to guild BoA's, versus the difference in stat between ANY tabard the common f2p uses versus the tabard or shirt that one rep grinds for with 90 help? The point is getting these vanity items are just that, VANITY. The stat difference is zero, therefore there is zero advantage of someone with the vanity items over someone without. Never thought I'd see the day where this kind of thing needs explaining. I couldn't care less if you ran around in a purple Barnie suit you grinded a year and a half for with 200 level 90's helping you because it gives you absolutely no advantage. It's a big difference when people exploit in order to get these guild boa's with "p2p enchants". There's an actual stat difference which translates into damage/healing in the game, therefore giving an unfair advantage.


It is just that. It is okey because there is no stat difference but it is still the same principal. Having P2P gear might not be ethical or fair and the person using it is a tool.

You can't get ribbon without someone paying blizz and you can't get this gear without someone paying blizzard.

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that's what's going on here if ya'll haven't noticed..
 
It is just that. It is okey because there is no stat difference but it is still the same principal. Having P2P gear might not be ethical or fair and the person using it is a tool.

You can't get ribbon without someone paying blizz and you can't get this gear without someone paying blizzard.

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The difference is that you get the ribbon while being on your f2p character, p2ps help you stay alive long enough to get it, yes, but your f2p character is physically there. The guild BoAs and enchants were NOT obtained on a f2p character.
 
Wow I thought once I shut up this would die off lol.. Guess not ^-^ It's nice seeing people who agree with me about an obvious topic and sometimes with threads like this I should just be quiet and let other people argue since I don't pick my words or say it as nicely as some others do.
 
The difference is that you get the ribbon while being on your f2p character, p2ps help you stay alive long enough to get it, yes, but your f2p character is physically there. The guild BoAs and enchants were NOT obtained on a f2p character.

How do you know? Maybe Kale farmed murlocs in party with his p2p so the F2P did all the work the P2P only collected the feast.
 
[MENTION=16878]Adal[/MENTION] Quick run and get some milk and see if it comes out your nose.
 
How do you know? Maybe Kale farmed murlocs in party with his p2p so the F2P did all the work the P2P only collected the feast.

Don't play stupid, you know perfectly well what I mean. Produce a piece of evidence that Kale obtained the items on a f2p character (with or without p2p help) and I will not say a word against it, but as long as they were obtained on a p2p character and THEN sent to a f2p character, they should not be considered legitimate f2p gear.
 
If this was true, then Blizzard would have implemented restrictions on all of the enchants on top of the leg enchants. Clearly they are intended to be enchanted on any item.

Also, this kind of thing isn't on the same level as a F2P account. What was done in this thread involved bug abusing/GM exploitation.

It's not intended, but Blizzard thinks it's too minor to do anything about - just like low level balance or LoS in WSG for instance.
 
Don't play stupid, you know perfectly well what I mean. Produce a piece of evidence that Kale obtained the items on a f2p character (with or without p2p help) and I will not say a word against it, but as long as they were obtained on a p2p character and THEN sent to a f2p character, they should not be considered legitimate f2p gear.

Send proof that they weren't obtained by his f2p and then sent from his p2p.
 
You are missing the point completely.

There are things that this game is DESIGNED to allow, such as crusader enchants. Then there are things that this game was once designed to allow, such as leg armor kits and 450 professions.

As long as the game ALLOWS for players to utilize those things, it is not 'cheating' because anyone can do it, as per the rules of the game.

Then you have things like the guild BoAs exploit for F2Ps. The game DOES NOT allow for a F2P to acquire guild BoAs (or P2P enchants), and so a player must trick a GM in order to get those on his F2P account.

That's why it's cheating.

What are you talking about? Neither proff bug or leg enchants was designed to be allowed for anyone below level 60, but yet people took advantage of it. It clearly wasn't "once designed to allow" - it was never intended.

"As long as the game ALLOWS for players to utilize those things, it is not 'cheating' because anyone can do it, as per the rules in the game", well anyone CAN get guild BoAs on their p2p, you just have to be lucky - just like everyone can get Precious' Ribbon, where luck is required as well. But I don't see you whining on the Ribbon, eventhough it's an unintended bug as well.

Well, you didn't even respond to half of my reply but can you atleast answer why item swapping should be okay, while this should not? Both includes convincing a GM something they are not supposed to do.
 

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