f2p guild looms
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Rollop
Legend
Brought a tear to my eye... when we see each other in bgs, lets just lay down are weapons and hug it out.
willix
Legend
I'm talking about the difference between an action the game was designed to allow players to perform on their own, and actions that can only be done by tricking a GM. Obviously, not every F2P can find a GM that will move guild BoAs over to their F2P character. The practice is generally not accepted because it violates the way the F2P game system was designed in the first place.
Bugs allowing unintended game actions are STILL allowing those game actions until Blizzard comes along and fixes them. This is why they are not considered 'cheating.' If Blizzard decides to fix the bugs and then strip players of the benefits they gained by performing those actions, then that is a decision they've made and it doesn't necessarily mean that players cheated.
But when the only possible way for a player to obtain something is by tricking a GM into circumventing intended game system design, then yes, that is cheating. Really not sure where the confusion is.
Dramatized
Legend
Please show me in the ToS where it says it's against the rules to send a mail to your alt on another battlenet account. Nowhere. And that's why it's not cheating - because it's not against the rules. It's not even a punishable offense.
Baumbart
Legend
As I said - unable to grasp the concept of help and character. Did Kale or any other character on the f2p portion of his account obtain the items by paying a certain amount of gold to an npc or by looting the items from a body or by completing a quest or by any other means that you normally obtain items in-game? No, he did not. Therefore he did not obtain the items on a f2p character. You must be trolling, I can't believe anybody can be this dense.
willix
Legend
I'll do my best to explain this to you.
A player on a F2P account follows a set of rules that restrict him from being able to do a number of things:
- Can't join guilds (can't earn guild rewards like helm/cloak/pants BoAs).
- Can't level past 20
- Can't acquire more than 10g (couldn't afford to buy guild BoAs anyway).
- Can't level profs past 100 (can't get professions high enough to utilize enchants like Crusader, 15 agi, 30 spellpower).
- Can't use the AH (can't acquire enchanting scrolls or other items that normal twinks use).
- Can't use the mail system (can't acquire items from their other characters).
- Can't trade with other players (can't acquire items from other players).
All of this means that a player on a F2P account, by the very design of the game, cannot get P2P enchants or guild BoAs. The only way for that player on a F2P account to get these items, is by tricking a GM into giving them to him. The GM MUST break the rules of the game in order to do it. That's it, that's why it's cheating.
Now, if a F2P player wants to go and pay for the full game, pay a sub fee, and stay at level 20, he can get anything that other players can get too. Therefore, getting those items would not be considered cheating under those circumstances. The crucial part is that a player who buys the full game, is no longer a F2P or bound by the F2P rules.
Franciska
Legend
Apparently it is cheating if you are F2P. Mailing is illegal, but getting invited into a group by a P2P isn't? This thread is just hilarious.
Crystalpall
the F2P PvEr
Of course it is not, and your posts make me really wonder if you think before posting. Chronology:
- F2P characters CANNOT be in party with anyone higher than level 20.
- F2P characters CANNOT invite others to party.
- F2P characters can be now in party with characters higher than level 20. ( This makes inviting F2P to party completely allowed for purists)
Checked this in timeline, when I was searching for my history thread.
Matterson
Legend
I believe that having a p2p linked to your account and using that for BoAs is slightly different than having a p2p friend on the server help you get various pieces of gear. Anyone can make friends with p2p's not everyone can have a p2p linked to their account without spending money.
Im not saying having a p2p linked is wrong in anyway at all as I have mine linked aswell, and in fact used it to help get the AGM
Edit: I also want to add that all though i do not personally agree with the guild looms with enchants as a free to play, and feel it goes against the whole idea of a F2P making you as bad as a 24. But hey ho people can play this game as they wish. Kale and others who do this are just giving themselves an advantage over other F2Ps and if they feel they need to do this fair play to em
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LennywBT
SpeeDIO
Precious Ribbon .... Every1 can get it if they get some lv 90s for help tho ... , Starter editions can get it too , so theyre different things , U can get Guild BoAs by tricking a gm and u can get precious ribbon just doing a instance tghat blizz allowed us at this LV !
And a music for funn :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-8EQHaMKfA
Crystalpall
the F2P PvEr
Sick and tired of this thread. Yesterday I sent a ticket about the issue, asking what is GMs stance about this.
I hope that this will end the talk
(1st part is about my problem, no need to read it)
I hope that this will end the talk
(1st part is about my problem, no need to read it)
Matterson
Legend
That ticket didn't answer anything? All it included was the GM saying how they cannot do this because of blablabla, and that he reckons f2ps that do claim to have guild boas are telling porkies
LennywBT
SpeeDIO
Thanks for jeep , do u know how to make the midfing thing pleaseee.....
Crystalpall
the F2P PvEr
For me it told that they are aware of this, wont happen again and GMs are in risk of losing their job if they do so, so we wont see many other F2Ps with this, which ends the argument if F2Ps with this are P2Ps - they obviously are not, issue is (probably) gone and P2Ps with F2P restrictions cant use these. The end.
Annabelle
Legend
If everyone could report those F2P who exploited to get guild BoA's and enchanted BoA weapons, that would be nice. I am pretty sure that all it takes is 50ish reports from different accounts to have one guilty player banned for life. If you have multiple accounts, report them on each one.
Rollop
Legend
You've ended nothing sadly, this thread will continue on for at least another 10 pages. Maybe if continue reporting specific people you will see some progress with the ensuing bans. In the mean time enjoy this bunny~
Edit: My bunny didnt work Q_Q Here have a kirby (>'_')>
Edit: My bunny didnt work Q_Q Here have a kirby (>'_')>
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Swoops
Legend
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I fixed your jeep for you. It's way too nice out today to have the top up!
Honey Badger
OG
Yup making several tickets about someone exploiting will surely work (NOT). I was the first to admit i gemmed. You should see how many people and guilds made tickets about my gems. 0 bans , 0 suspensions. I'd be surprised if they get remove.
My advice if your a f2p and can trick/exploit for an advantage such as gear, achievements or mounts. Props to you. People need to blame blizzard not the person.
My advice if your a f2p and can trick/exploit for an advantage such as gear, achievements or mounts. Props to you. People need to blame blizzard not the person.