Dragonflight Stat Squish

[YouMayBeSeated]

20s who are dedicated (there are a lot of them!) in full epic gear with tert will be able to go toe to toe against lazy 29s who are in blues.

Even i plan to play my skullflame 20 hpal.

You can farm a full set or close to a full set of Epics from WoTLK dungeons in a few days at 29… only issue is they are all Haste Crit sets so not really ideal for BiS but still huge ilvl increase and most slots come with gem slots. Some classes really thrive with Vers and/or Mastery so it’ll be tough to decide what’s worth farming or settling on for a lot of people.

I think the lazy 29s are gonna go full WoTLK Epics and still have a massive advantage over the 20’s sadly. Maybe… Just maybe a 20 with a full Vers set can hold it’s own but I personally think things are about to get ugly for everyone including 29’s on 29’s. I just don’t see the burst being reigned in sadly. To me I think a handful of classes get more burst than they have currently. The already busted MM Hunter gets Double Tap which allows TWO Aimed Shots to be fired at the same time. Without any crits that’s over 100% of most players health. With one crit I don’t see anything surviving it honestly. If both crit you’ll die twice lol

 

[chelly]

You can farm a full set or close to a full set of Epics from WoTLK dungeons in a few days at 29… only issue is they are all Haste Crit sets so not really ideal for BiS but still huge ilvl increase and most slots come with gem slots. Some classes really thrive with Vers and/or Mastery so it’ll be tough to decide what’s worth farming or settling on for a lot of people.

I think the lazy 29s are gonna go full WoTLK Epics and still have a massive advantage over the 20’s sadly. Maybe… Just maybe a 20 with a full Vers set can hold it’s own but I personally think things are about to get ugly for everyone including 29’s on 29’s. I just don’t see the burst being reigned in sadly. To me I think a fair bit of classes get more burst than they have currently.

this. A lazy 29 will just run a few ToC and halls of lighting or stone or whatever and be 30 ilvls higher than an absolute bis 20.

nice try glance.

 

[Warglave]

it seems the new way to gear for 20/29 will be hoping to get the blues from WoD

29 can get epic loot from Trial of the Champion dungeon, many of which have a socket or 2 as well. Also the 3 endgame WotLK dungeons, but not so many sockets from what I've looked over. They're kind of a pain with the RP but pretty simple.

Plus ToC is like 5 minutes in one room, loot-loot-loot-reset.

Level 20 cant get in any of those so they have much more limited options. Not sure how much "better" full epic is tho.

edit- oops, got next-paged.

and be 30 ilvls higher

Not to mention an apparent shitload more talent points.

The already busted MM Hunter gets Double Tap

And that talent that gives it 50% more damage against enemies over 70% health... forget what it's called.

Plus hunters get kill shot. And increased crit chance/damage for it? Maybe? I dunno... but it's a mess.

BUT... one thing about the LK gear is that there's no mastery on any of it so the WoD grind will be better for some cases.

 

[glancealot]

this. A lazy 29 will just run a few ToC and halls of lighting or stone or whatever and be 30 ilvls higher than an absolute bis 20.

nice try glance.

so negative.

if you don't plan to pvp on a 29 or a 20, then why are you even posting in this thread...

i personally bought a second skullflame (from sterr) so I am pumped to gear up my 20 for DF.

 

[Pexela]

so negative.

if you don't plan to pvp on a 29 or a 20, then why are you even posting in this thread...

i personally bought a second skullflame (from sterr) so I am pumped to gear up my 20 for DF.

Can't lose to 29s if they can't outrun you, right? Mr. Speedladin.

 

[glancealot]

Can't lose to 29s if they can't outrun you, right? Mr. Speedladin.

to be honest, lately, a lot of people with 29s queue on their 20s from time to time and they do just fine.

i'd have 5 old school AP 20s with skills over 5 random 29s with ego on my team any day of the week!

 

[Dragonstormy]

Uhm things are getting complicated in thiw thread. My only hope is some1 shows mercy and gives a conclusion at the end...

Gesendet von meinem SM-A705FN mit Tapatalk

 

[YouMayBeSeated]

And that talent that gives it 50% more damage against enemies over 70% health... forget what it's called.

We currently have that talent already in Shadowlands but yeah when you couple that with Double Tap it will be broken af. I’m actually not sure if both shots get the effect of the 50% increase above 70% health or if there is technically 1/1000th of a sec in between the two shots that prevents the second shot from benefiting from it. If they truly are simultaneous and both shots benefit from it it’s gonna be comically stupid.

 

[Warglave]

I can check that later after work, was trying to see last night but AMD is screwing up my gpu again and i cant record video... so i was trying to screenshot crits, lol.

So the talent that increases arcane shot dmg after aimed is pretty strong too (seems, anyway). Was getting 1200-1400 dmg crits on that 29, ToC geared. Pretty sure a mastery build would just do better but i dont have one, and not interested in farming it out just to test....

 

[YouMayBeSeated]

I can check that later after work, was trying to see last night but AMD is screwing up my gpu again and i cant record video... so i was trying to screenshot crits, lol.

So the talent that increases arcane shot dmg after aimed is pretty strong too (seems, anyway). Was getting 1200-1400 dmg crits on that 29, ToC geared. Pretty sure a mastery build would just do better but i dont have one, and not interested in farming it out just to test....

What is Aimed Shot hitting for without Mastery gear?

I will probably farm Mastery gear on mine but it’s gonna take ages.

 

[Warglave]

The 29 was like 3600 crits with just gems and enchants.... i think. I got a 4500 something with trinket procs, but that might have been using the elekk mastery (blue) one.

He has 45% crit chance unbuffed, still cant manage to crit both the double tap shots... I'll get a better idea tonight.

 

[glancealot]

The 29 was like 3600 crits with just gems and enchants.... i think. I got a 4500 something with trinket procs, but that might have been using the elekk mastery (blue) one.

He has 45% crit chance unbuffed, still cant manage to crit both the double tap shots... I'll get a better idea tonight.

3600 crit? And your (or a normal twink) total health is?

 

[Warglave]

The 29 has like 5900, i believe. 2/2 agi/stam gems in ToC gear, couple heirlooms cuz i didnt wanna farm it forever. Just cloak and ring, i think tho.

 

[YouMayBeSeated]

The 29 was like 3600 crits with just gems and enchants.... i think. I got a 4500 something with trinket procs, but that might have been using the elekk mastery (blue) one.

He has 45% crit chance unbuffed, still cant manage to crit both the double tap shots... I'll get a better idea tonight.

Full Mastery set would put damage increase to 60-70% extra damage… if you are hitting 3600 Crits with no mastery, we can expect a well geared MM to be hitting in the 5K’s consistently and maybe touching 6K with absolute BiS. This shit is gonna be crazy dumb. You couple that with Double Tap and it’s gonna be 5-6K with 0 Crits… 8-9K with 1 Crit and 11K if you get a lucky Double Crit… absolutely busted and sad to hear. Oh and the Hunter can cast all this from Stealth and you never have time to react. Fun stuff ahead for sure. RIP

 

[Dysphoria]

This shit is gonna be crazy dumb. You couple that with Double Tap and it’s gonna be 5-6K with 0 Crits… 8-9K with 1 Crit and 11K if you get a lucky Double Crit… absolutely busted and sad to hear. Oh and the Hunter can cast all this from Stealth and you never have time to react. Fun stuff ahead for sure. RIP

This reminds me of the current state of MM in 30-39. Far more broken than anything in this bracket. 29 Hunters don't get access to Trueshot in DF, do they?

 

[Warglave]

Elekk trinket only:

edit- so they both get full benefit from Careful Aim, without any procs up it crit for like 3100, and with the ToC trinket proc and elekk trinket used it crit for 5200.... not optimally geared or talented. Also had 2K arcane shot crits with the talent.

I still dont feel like the stats are right for the ilvl yet, but this is still silly stuff.

 

[YouMayBeSeated]

Elekk trinket only:

edit- so they both get full benefit from Careful Aim, without any procs up it crit for like 3100, and with the ToC trinket proc and elekk trinket used it crit for 5200.... not optimally geared or talented. Also had 2K arcane shot crits with the talent.

I still dont feel like the stats are right for the ilvl yet, but this is still silly stuff.

Lmao the burst will destroy retail twinking…

I pray a full vers set from WoD can get a class near 50% dmg reduction. That’s about the only way it’s gonna be playable.

You have ToC gear and some Looms you said? Still double critting for 8k damage with only Elk for Mastery is absurd. In current retail I have 22.8% Mastery on MM with 51.1% dmg increase, 76.9% increase when I pop Elk and my Aimed Shot crits for an absolute max of 4300 on a terribly geared cloth wearer. I imagine you can get that modifier well over 100% increase in DF. And if the base damage is that easily modified you can probably dump Crit all together and go with a Vers Mastery set that could prob do 8k-9k with 0 crits. We thought it was a Hunter fest before DF, just wait. Sad face

 

[Warglave]

You have ToC gear and some Looms you said?

This guy: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/bloodscalp/boomstick

Pretty sure I filled the sockets on beta, and only one socket on the belt cuz i thought the tooltip said req ilvl 38 but it doesnt apply over ilvl 38 so on beta it was too high... also heirloom ring cuz the blue socket one is like still ilvl 35 on beta.

edit- I still think the stat-to-ilvl ratio scaling is screwed up, dont see why level 29 toons should be wearing current level 49 equivalent gear just cuz the xpac changed....

edit2- on beta:

 

[glancealot]

thanks for the numbers glave.

so some quick math, for warrior, in defensive stance with 30% vers, that's about 25% dmg reduction.

3600*75%=2700.

my total health will likely be over 6000 because i stack stamina and vers.

so it's about 40% of my health.

that's not too bad.

 

[toskosa]

This guy: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/bloodscalp/boomstick

Pretty sure I filled the sockets on beta, and only one socket on the belt cuz i thought the tooltip said req ilvl 38 but it doesnt apply over ilvl 38 so on beta it was too high... also heirloom ring cuz the blue socket one is like still ilvl 35 on beta.

edit- I still think the stat-to-ilvl ratio scaling is screwed up, dont see why level 29 toons should be wearing current level 49 equivalent gear just cuz the xpac changed....

edit2- on beta:

really dude? a vulpera? I wasnt expecting that.