BiS Gear Lists?

This is why some peeps keep quiet when they find some sick twink stuff cause you get snakes like rockworldofwarcraft on these sites taking all the info and handing it over to blizz! Gtfo just cause you missed out on relics you've started this whole campaign of bringing everything down, absolute big baby :D
 
Yeah atleast now we can pick what secondaries we want the most rather then "hur dur this has sockets me want" for EVERY piece
 
not to mention BC gear is so badly stat-weighted that you're usually faced with options like

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vs

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so much for customisability
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after 20secs of looking at dungeon journal this looks like it'd be undisputably bis if everything else gets nerfed

just for reference with 3x 3int gems + the 1int from socket bonus it adds up to 16int, 2 int higher than the ilvl 50 legion zone quest chest with 12 stam missing, please tell me again how this would make 20s more balanced with higher spellpower and completely butchered health pools

putting 2 dots on a fully geared player currently is killing them/bringing them to swd range so you guys want all this stam nerfed so i can put shadow word pain on someone and kill them or what?

help me im getting confused by what you're crying out for
 
Yeah my level 60 twink in bfa was literally just "find every piece with sockets" litearlly had to do zangramarsh quests and thats it. Atleast now it takes more time for all legion questline and doing the rares then just spamming RDF
 
not to mention BC gear is so badly stat-weighted that you're usually faced with options like

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vs

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so much for customisability
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after 20secs of looking at dungeon journal this looks like it'd be undisputably bis if everything else gets nerfed

just for reference with 3x 3int gems + the 1int from socket bonus it adds up to 16int, 2 int higher than the ilvl 50 legion zone quest chest with 12 stam missing, please tell me again how this would make 20s more balanced with higher spellpower and completely butchered health pools

putting 2 dots on a fully geared player currently is killing them/bringing them to swd range so you guys want all this stam nerfed so i can put shadow word pain on someone and kill them or what?

help me im getting confused by what you're crying out for

Yes, with i25 gear you can choose to stack int and go glass cannon, and when a rogue pops out and kills you your logic chain will come to completion. That is the way it is supposed to be, paper rock scissors, in what ever capacity works best.

Right now you get to have max int and you also get mega HP, so you are just super good with out having to try... that is bad design, twink or not. With mega hp and mega intelligence (or insert whatever here) you are glass cannon with out any draw backs... that is stupid.

Next argument please.

These arguments are frustrating because its like arguing with a 7 year old that just keeps bringing up the same stupid shit.

It does not matter who says what, all of this stuff is going to get nerfed, just deal with it, or fuck off... I don't care how long you have been twinking... you WILL NOT be missed, at all... not one single person will miss you, so don't think you are special because you did a grind one day one and got lucky so far.

Nobody cares about 10 man wargames or any other goofy crap like that, except the 15 (or pick a fucking number) hard core nerds that play them... by NO MEANS should that cause general twinking to be crap for 2 years.

And we all know that you are not going to quit when it gets nerfed, so just stop your damn whining about it. Nobody cares.
 
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Yes, with i25 gear you can choose to stack int and go glass cannon, and when a rogue pops out and kills you your logic chain will come to completion. That is the way it is supposed to be, paper rock scissors, in what ever capacity works best.

Right now you get to have max int and you also get mega HP, so you are just super good with out having to try... that is bad design, twink or not. With mega hp and mega intelligence (or insert whatever here) you are glass cannon with out any draw backs... that is stupid.

Next argument please.

These arguments are frustrating because its like arguing with a 7 year old that just keeps bringing up the same stupid shit.

It does not matter who says what, all of this stuff is going to get nerfed, just deal with it, or fuck off... I don't care how long you have been twinking... you WILL NOT be missed, at all... not one single person will miss you, so don't think you are special because you did a grind one day one and got lucky so far.

Nobody cares about 10 man wargames or any other goofy crap like that, except the 15 (or pick a fucking number) hard core nerds that play them... by NO MEANS should that cause general twinking to be crap for 2 years.

And we all know that you are not going to quit when it gets nerfed, so just stop your damn whining about it. Nobody cares.

my dude.

maybe go take a break or something
 
Yes, with i25 gear you can choose to stack int and go glass cannon, and when a rogue pops out and kills you your logic chain will come to completion. That is the way it is supposed to be, paper rock scissors, in what ever capacity works best.

Right now you get to have max int and you also get mega HP, so you are just super good with out having to try... that is bad design, twink or not. With mega hp and mega intelligence (or insert whatever here) you are glass cannon with out any draw backs... that is stupid.

Next argument please.

These arguments are frustrating because its like arguing with a 7 year old that just keeps bringing up the same stupid shit.

It does not matter who says what, all of this stuff is going to get nerfed, just deal with it, or fuck off... I don't care how long you have been twinking... you WILL NOT be missed, at all... not one single person will miss you, so don't think you are special because you did a grind one day one and got lucky so far.

Nobody cares about 10 man wargames or any other goofy crap like that, except the 15 (or pick a fucking number) hard core nerds that play them... by NO MEANS should that cause general twinking to be crap for 2 years.

And we all know that you are not going to quit when it gets nerfed, so just stop your damn whining about it. Nobody cares.

not sure why im about to reply to a dribbling window licking spastic but lets just go through some things shall we

TBC gear with full int gems is NOT glasscannon it will be the STANDARD and nobody in their right mind will gem anything but primary stats and there's no stamina upgrades outside gemming stamina like a monkey so your logic is beyond retarded

the only saving grace about tbc gear is every single piece will have vers on it so we can reach a possible 10-12% dmg reduction that way

secondly you clearly havent played this patch at all if you think rogues will pop out and kill people, rogues are beyond ass in this patch at 20, anyone claiming rogues are great clearly havent tested/seen any other class, first day of prepatch i got a bg pop and literally tanked 4 fully geared rogues for 30-40 seconds as a disc priest, yes thats with 'busted' gear but they're on an equal playing field and it wasnt even close.

if you think pvp is rock paper scissors i'm going to assume this is your first week playing, in every expansion in every patch there's classes in twink brackets that have literally no counter play

if you look at legion and bfa twinks there's ONE set of gear that everyone runs on classes, there's no funky 'glasscannon set' or 'stam heavy set' it's one homogenised set that's run in every situation

i'm glad you proved your stupidity by saying nobody cares about wargames because that's literally the only thing anyone worth mentioning cares about, nobody worth a damn cares about how often you find joy in killing 10yr old timmy's lvl 21 pandaren hunter

i'm not going to quit when it gets nerfed, neither do i actually give a shit if it gets nerfed but obviously i do care about people actively seeking to get it nerfed for the wrong reasons

TBC gem slot gear will cause so much imbalance and make the meta so unfun it's not even a joke, if you can't see this after how much i've explained it you're lost in the head.


edit: after looking at the armory link in your signature it's become clear to me i'm replying to someone with a legitimate mental condition and i'd like to apologise for any offence caused in my opening sentence i was referring to your lack of intelligence assuming you were a real human being but i didn't realise it'd be an actual attack on your condition

only someone with a serious condition can be playing a prot paladin in 2020 and targetting gear from dungeons that don't give sockets while avoiding the 'broken' gear and somehow you've managed to choose the wrong pvp talent when presented a choice of 4 spells.
 
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I have never once in all my years on this site noticed such an outcry over grandfathering gear, even for 19s/20s. These have to be returning players from long ago or new people to the site. Or just players who are bored who decided to look at twinking. It really isnt that big of a deal, its expected for the twinking scene. It either gets grandfathered or is doesn't, simple as that. If its going to get grandfathered it will get grandfathered, otherwise it gets hotfixed. It really depends on how blizzard patches it or if they even patch it.
 
you’ll be fine. but now is the time to get them, rather than throwing a pity party and missing out on even more GFd gear

Wait long enough and all gf'd gear becomes worthless

looks like blizz is acting quicker than normal to fix their (laughable) mistakes in the gear
 
Wait long enough and all gf'd gear becomes worthless

looks like blizz is acting quicker than normal to fix their (laughable) mistakes in the gear
helm enchants are still pretty good, and the 6 out of 6 legion invasion weapons ilvl 50 is good, even better then artifacts. Sure, you wait long enough almost anything becomes worthless besides gold(unless they reset or change that), but its still good to get and use for a potentially long time if you can.
 
Wait long enough and all gf'd gear becomes worthless

looks like blizz is acting quicker than normal to fix their (laughable) mistakes in the gear
i guess? The question is “how does it become worthless?”

does blizz just nuke it, like they did HOA?

Do they remove its effect? Like old enchants?

or do they make it “worthless” by un-grandfathering it, like northrend engineering? So now everyone has it and you arent special.

Or is it something that’s going to get nerfed like, next xpac and you decide not to get it because it’s not worth the trouble because they’re going to fix it “eventually” and you end up playing 2-3 years without it.

go get the gear. It’s not like questing is difficult
 
just made a rough cloth bis list with all nerfs in mind and this is what i came out with


Helm - https://www.wowhead.com/item=28278/incanters-cowl?bonus=6710 (mechanar) 1gem 1meta / https://www.wowhead.com/item=25931/cenarion-thicket-circlet (terrokar quest chain) 3gem

if going for the quest head please note that according to wowhead the chain requires cenarion expedition friendly so you're better off doing coilfang dungeons first for the legs as you can probably reach friendly before the legs drop

Neck - https://www.wowhead.com/item=39653/choker-of-betrayal (zul'drak quest chain) 1 gem

Shoulder - https://www.wowhead.com/item=27775/hallowed-pauldrons?bonus=6710 (shadow lab) 2gem

Cloak - https://www.wowhead.com/item=119414/yals-leafwrap-cloak?bonus=572 (wod rare) 1gem proc

Chest - https://www.wowhead.com/item=28229/incanters-robe?bonus=6710 (botanica) 3gem

Wrist - https://www.wowhead.com/item=36945/verdisas-cuffs-of-dreaming?bonus=6710 (oculus first boss) 1gem

Gloves - https://www.wowhead.com/item=24393/bloody-surgeons-mitts?bonus=6710 (the blood furnace) 2gem

Belt - https://www.wowhead.com/item=35929/gholamcloth-wrap (howling fjord) 2gem/ https://www.wowhead.com/item=24395/mindfire-waistband?bonus=6710 (blood furnace) 2gem

Legs - https://www.wowhead.com/item=30543/pontifex-kilt?bonus=6710 (steamvault) 3gem

Boots - https://www.wowhead.com/item=27411/slippers-of-serenity?bonus=6710 (auchenai crypts) 2gem

Ring 1 - https://www.wowhead.com/item=119415/frosted-icequartz-ring?bonus=572 (wod rare) 1gem proc

Ring 2 - https://www.wowhead.com/item=119415/frosted-icequartz-ring?bonus=572 (wod rare) 1gem proc

Trinket 1 - https://www.wowhead.com/item=77530/ghost-iron-dragonling (engi) 3 cogwheel gems

Trinket 2 - https://www.wowhead.com/item=42413/figurine-sapphire-owl?bonus=6873 (jc) 2gems

Weapon - ilvl 28 green 1h 1gem proc

Offhand - ilvl 28 green 1gem proc


max gem total: 25gem + 3 cogwheel

dungeon gear becomes ilvl 25, craftable items become ilvl 19, list assumes wod rares scale from ilvl 44 to 25 and not completely unobtainable

very rough list just to show how important sockets become if nerfs come in, probably overlooked some pieces like trinket effects which will probably just be wod dungeon drops

edit: probably going to edit this as i collect the items, the original post was based on assumption of how things would scale using unscaled wowhead items for reference, might end up making the finished list into a seperate thread
 
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just made a rough cloth bis list with all nerfs in mind and this is what i came out with


Helm - https://www.wowhead.com/item=28278/incanters-cowl?bonus=6710 (mechanar) 1gem 1meta / https://www.wowhead.com/item=25931/cenarion-thicket-circlet (26 zangarmarsh quest chain) 3gem

Neck - https://www.wowhead.com/item=39653/choker-of-betrayal (zul'drak quest chain) 1 gem

Shoulder - https://www.wowhead.com/item=27775/hallowed-pauldrons?bonus=6710 (shadow lab) 2gem

Cloak - https://www.wowhead.com/item=119414/yals-leafwrap-cloak?bonus=572 (wod rare) 1gem proc

Chest - https://www.wowhead.com/item=28229/incanters-robe?bonus=6710 (botanica) 3gem/ Chemise of Rebirth (zangarmarsh chain) 3gem

Wrist - https://www.wowhead.com/item=36945/verdisas-cuffs-of-dreaming?bonus=6710 (oculus first boss) 1gem

Gloves - https://www.wowhead.com/item=24393/bloody-surgeons-mitts?bonus=6710 (the blood furnace) 2gem

Belt - https://www.wowhead.com/item=35929/gholamcloth-wrap (howling fjord) 2gem/ https://www.wowhead.com/item=24395/mindfire-waistband?bonus=6710 (blood furnace) 2gem

Legs - https://www.wowhead.com/item=30543/pontifex-kilt?bonus=6710 (steamvault) 3gem

Boots - https://www.wowhead.com/item=27411/slippers-of-serenity?bonus=6710 (auchenai crypts) 2gem

Ring 1 - https://www.wowhead.com/item=119415/frosted-icequartz-ring?bonus=572 (wod rare) 1gem proc

Ring 2 - https://www.wowhead.com/item=119415/frosted-icequartz-ring?bonus=572 (wod rare) 1gem proc

Trinket 1 - https://www.wowhead.com/item=77530/ghost-iron-dragonling (engi) 3 cogwheel gems

Trinket 2 - https://www.wowhead.com/item=42413/figurine-sapphire-owl?bonus=6873 (jc) 2gems

Weapon - ilvl 28 green 1h 1gem proc

Offhand - ilvl 28 green 1gem proc


max gem total: 25gem + 3 cogwheel

dungeon gear becomes ilvl 25, craftable items become ilvl 19, list assumes wod rares scale from ilvl 44 to 25 and not completely unobtainable

very rough list just to show how important sockets become if nerfs come in, probably overlooked some pieces like trinket effects which will probably just be wod dungeon drops

guys, do yourselves a favor and SS this.


i have a rough AGI leather list; if anyone needs (trinkets included for some reaon):

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