6 Month Ban for Twinking!

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I found the real reason to your 6month ban. What were you doing on top of tunnel? You know that blizzard considers this a violation to TOS. People have been banned for jumping over the fence at horde base. You were probably 'exploiting' in other battlegrounds as well.

I know that this is blizz's fault for not patching things up but when ur a top dmg huntard in unreachable areas by the common folk, its a sure fire way to get banned.
 
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Harbinger said:
No, it will be a different person each time, a Game Master cannot second check their own work
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learn something new every day
 
Hobbes said:
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I found the real reason to your 6month ban. What were you doing on top of tunnel? You know that blizzard considers this a violation to TOS. People have been banned for jumping over the fence at horde base. You were probably 'exploiting' in other battlegrounds as well.

I know that this is blizz's fault for not patching things up but when ur a top dmg huntard in unreachable areas by the common folk, its a sure fire way to get banned.
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if that were the case, he would have gotten a ban with the reason listed as exploitation, not third party program useage
 
Harbinger said:
This is sorta random: I'm not super tech-savvy, but if I had to throw a guess at the way their anti-bot software works, specifically with something like kickbot, I'd guess it tracks a player's successful interrupt percentage, compares that to a pre-set percentage that the program thinks is humanly manageable, then pops out a ''bot'' or ''not'' result. If I got banned for being good with CounterShot, I dont even know what to say. Anyone know how their software that sniffs out bots works? Because i see bots all over the damn place and I think i only know one or two people who've been banned for botting (since i started playing in '08).
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To be honest blizzard can't really detect a kickbot as I read on forums but this might be the cause. People got interrupted so fast by you that they assumed you used a kickbot and banned you for that reason caused by reports without actually proving it but solely on reports. It is a hot issue atm.

But first things first, try to communicate with blizzard in a good manner and I am sure they will tell you about the whys.
 
Hobbes said:
Well, it may have been that one of your addons started to rake in massive amounts of RAM. For example, Auction addons such as TSM or Auctionator. Also gold guides which give built in addons to help you acquire gold by telling you where to go and what to kill will also compute the power from WoW which results in overriding the maximum Ram allocated to World of Warcraft by your system and hence the Warden program triggers a review, couple that with the numerous reports of players, and your massive high damage, which is kinda rare in lvl 60-60 XP-on battlegrounds, thus resulting in Blizzard taking this the wrong way.

It would really help us here at TI if you could list each and every addon that you use or have used. A non working addon lying around in your computer can also send a false positive to the Warden program for when it scans your computer. What I tend to do when playing bg's on a run with high gear or with friends in a group is to disable irrelevant addons such as TSM, Gatherer,Skada,etc. It increases my fps a bit and I have no fear of getting banned. Check your hdd, ssd usb and microsd, maybe even wireless bluetooth, wifi for anything which steals your processing power. My advice is only applicable if the what you said is true and leaving no stone unturned. If it proves fruitless, PM me and I'll write a ticket for you.

Best of Luck in regaining back your hunTARD.
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No updates as of yet, but its only 9:20 on the east coast where i am, so its 6:20 for blizz, so im not really expecting anything honestly until Monday.
Interesting about the addons. I do have a bunch of dormant addons that i either dont use at all (like Dominos, I swapped to using the ElvUI bars and just disabled Dominos), are disabled on my Hunters (Healbot for the rare occasion that i play my priest. i know. I'm a bad healer that uses a 10 year old addon to heal. http://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/heal-bot-continued Before any of you say it, yes it has bot in the name, no its not actually a bot.), Auctioneer which just basically sits dormant unless I'm at the AH. Things like that. I never even thought to worry about dormant addons causing problems. The reports by other players I'm 100% sure of. I saw a lot of the same names on ally side, and we were fairly relentless going after everyone with a red name. I'm sure someone got frustrated and reported me after being killed several times. As for botting for high damage, that's new to me. Only thing I've ever seen bots do is run around on their mounts, try to grab a flag, or occasionally engage someone in actual combat and immediately get killed. I've never seen a bot run around mid with a pocket healer slaughtering people. As a side note, my healer friend did not get banned. We were grouped the entire time, talking in party a bunch, talking in instance chat, etc.

Here is a list of everything in my Interface->Addons folder:
!Swatter
Altoholic
Altoholic_Achievements
Altoholic_Agenda
Altoholic_Characters
Altoholic_Grids
Altoholic_Guild
Altoholic_Search
Altoholic_Summary
Auc-Advanced
Auc-Filter-Basic
Auc-ScanData
Auc-Stat-Histogram
Auc-Stat-iLevel
Auc-Stat-Purchased
Auc-Stat-Simple
Auc-Stat-StdDev
Auc-Util-FixAH
BattlegroundTargets
BeanCounter
Blizzard_AchievementUI
Blizzard_ArchaeologyUI
Blizzard_ArenaUI
Blizzard_AuctionUI
Blizzard_AuthChallengeUI
Blizzard_BarbershopUI
Blizzard_BattlefieldMinimap
Blizzard_BindingUI
Blizzard_BlackMarketUI
Blizzard_Calendar
Blizzard_ChallengesUI
Blizzard_ClientSavedVariables
Blizzard_Collections
Blizzard_CombatLog
Blizzard_CombatText
Blizzard_CompactRaidFrames
Blizzard_CUFProfiles
Blizzard_DeathRecap
Blizzard_DebugTools
Blizzard_EncounterJournal
Blizzard_GarrisonUI
Blizzard_GlyphUI
Blizzard_GMChatUI
Blizzard_GMSurveyUI
Blizzard_GuildBankUI
Blizzard_InspectUI
Blizzard_ItemAlterationUI
Blizzard_ItemSocketingUI
Blizzard_ItemUpgradeUI
Blizzard_LookingForGuildUI
Blizzard_MacroUI
Blizzard_MovePad
Blizzard_ObjectiveTracker
Blizzard_PetBattleUI
Blizzard_PVPUI
Blizzard_QuestChoice
Blizzard_RaidUI
Blizzard_SocialUI
Blizzard_StoreUI
Blizzard_TalentUI
Blizzard_TimeManager
Blizzard_TokenUI
Blizzard_TradeSkillUI
Blizzard_TrainerUI
Blizzard_Tutorial
Blizzard_VoidStorageUI
Blizzard_WowTokenUI
DataStore
DataStore_Achievements
DataStore_Agenda
DataStore_Auctions
DataStore_Characters
DataStore_Containers
DataStore_Crafts
DataStore_Currencies
DataStore_Garrisons
DataStore_Iventory
DataStore_Mails
DataStore_Pets
DataStore_Quests
DataStore_Reputations
DataStore_Spells
DataStore_Stats
DataStore_Talents
DBM-BlackrockFoundry
DBM-Brawlers
DBM-BrokenIsles
DBM-Core
DBM-DefaultSkin
DBM-DMF
DBM-Draenor
DBM-EmeraldNightmare
DBM-GarrisonInvasions
DBM-GUI
DBM-HellfireCitadel
DBM-Highmaul
DBMNighthold
DBM-Party-Legion
DBM-Party-WoD
DBM-StatusBarTimers
DBM-WorldEvents
Dominos
Dominos_ActionSets
Dominos_Cast
Dominos_Config
Dominos_Encounter
Dominos_Roll
Dominos_XP
ElvUI
ElvUI_Config
Enchantrix
Enchantrix-Barker
HandyNotes
HandyNotes_DraenorTreasures
Healbot
Healbot_br
Healbot_cn
Healbot_de
Healbot_es
Healbot_fr
Healbot_gr
Healbot_hu
Healbot_it
Healbot_kr
Healbot_ru
Healbot_Tips
Healbot_tw
Informant
MasterPlan
MasterPlanA
MikScrollingBattleText
Skada
SlideBar
Stubby
WeakAuras
WeakAurasModelPaths
WeakAurasOptions
WeakAurasTutorials

Thats it. Nothing else.
While I'm playing i will often have Skype open in the background, but that shouldn't affect anything. Also sometimes i will have VLC Media Player running watching a movie or something waiting for queues to pop. Sometimes Netflix. Again, shouldn't have any affect. I run hard wired to my router, no wifi. Live alone so noone else using my connection. Playing on an old Dell XPS720 (like 8 years old) running windows 7 x64. It randomly locks up for no apparent reason because it sucks and quite often i will see spikes in CPU usage when nothing should be happening. I suppose that could be an issue? Very little is even on the machine as its coming off a fresh format about 4 or so months ago. No SSD, no microsd, not bluetooth capable. Not really sure what else would play a role here.
 
l30t53dd6p said:
To be honest blizzard can't really detect a kickbot as I read on forums but this might be the cause. People got interrupted so fast by you that they assumed you used a kickbot and banned you for that reason caused by reports without actually proving it but solely on reports. It is a hot issue atm.

But first things first, try to communicate with blizzard in a good manner and I am sure they will tell you about the whys.
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I spoke to a GM last night, and he basically told me that they'd review the appeal and get back to me with a ruling. He also pretty much said that they wouldn't tell me specifically why they banned me or for doing specifically what or running what programs. It's all in the chatlog from earlier.
 
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Hobbes said:
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I found the real reason to your 6month ban. What were you doing on top of tunnel? You know that blizzard considers this a violation to TOS. People have been banned for jumping over the fence at horde base. You were probably 'exploiting' in other battlegrounds as well.

I know that this is blizz's fault for not patching things up but when ur a top dmg huntard in unreachable areas by the common folk, its a sure fire way to get banned.
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I play 3rd person zoomed out. That shot is of me standing in front of tunnel, not on top of it. Only time I get on top of tunnel is to hop off it and glider back to horde base.
 
Harbinger said:
I spoke to a GM last night, and he basically told me that they'd review the appeal and get back to me with a ruling. He did basically say that they wouldn't tell me specifically why they banned me or for doing specifically what or running what programs.
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This wouldn't satisfy me at all if it would happen to me. I mean if there is no reason I could personally think of, I would really like to know about the whys. It is the same in real life, they cant sentence you a penalty without proving and giving info and I feel the same thing would apply here. You don't even know what to apeal against like this, consumers have also rights. This situation sucks man if you actually are a legit player.

But still my question stands, what can this community do for you, there is nothing other than for you letting of some steam. I just don't get this nor were you a member before you made this topic. I can understand that this is very frustrating but there is just nothing here we can do.
 
l30t53dd6p said:
This wouldn't satisfy me at all if it would happen to me. I mean if there is no reason I could personally think of, I would really like to know about the whys. It is the same in real life, they cant sentence you a penalty without proving and giving info and I feel the same thing would apply here. You don't even know what to apeal against like this, consumers have also rights. This situation sucks man if you actually are a legit player.

But still my question stands, what can this community do for you, there is nothing other than for you letting of some steam. I just don't get this nor were you a member before you made this topic. I can understand that this is very frustrating but there is just nothing here we can do.
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A friend i play with suggested i post here about this. Wasn't a member because i dont really do forums. I'm not expecting someone here to actually DO anything to fix this. But so far people have suggested a few ideas that might help, and I appreciate that. I am a legit player, and this situation is bullshit. I've been paying this company $16 a month for 8 years and they ban me over bullshit, then wont tell me specifically why or show me what they found. Their response doesnt satisfy me at all. Its boilerplate nonsense. They wont even speak on the phone about it (as the GM explained in chat). Their phone system directs customers to go to their website then hangs up on them. I'm awaiting their response, but I dont really expect much from them, unfortunately.

Edit: you're right about real life sentencing, presenting evidence, etc. Except this isn't real life. This is a system completely controlled by Blizzard. As someone else said, we basically rent our accounts and they can do literally anything they want.
 
What's with these replies? Who cares if you're a "douche" or whatever people are calling you.

Blizzard IS bullying people and the GMs are out of control right now. I've been fighting them about their bullcrap suspensions since at least 2012, but I won't go into my story here.

Every time I see someone banned for exploiting, they never seem to have video of it. It's unrealistic to expect someone to have video, but it is very strong for your defense if you happen to have been streaming to twitch the moment you were suspended or at least the same day. Imagine if you were recording video and everyone can clearly see you're not cheating. What will Blizzard have to say then?

I'm waiting for the day for someone to shove video evidence that they were NOT exploiting. You may not have been, but without video, Blizzard can make up any bullcrap they want. If I were you, I'd be more offended than you currently are. "How DARE you call me a cheater you pieces of walking excrement? You'd better reverse this suspension right now. I have VIDEOS of me busting botters on my Youtube channel because I hate them so very deeply and here you are calling ME one? Oh BOY you'd better reverse it."

Another nice thing is that all my phone calls are recorded. You should do the same so you have audio evidence of Blizzard jumping through hoops trying to think of any reason for the suspension to hold. I have recordings of Blizzard being unwilling to reverse a 3 hour mute in Diablo III despite them admitting I broke no rules--that I just riled people up by typing. It's a joke.
 
Harbinger said:
Edit: you're right about real life sentencing, presenting evidence, etc. Except this isn't real life. This is a system completely controlled by Blizzard. As someone else said, we basically rent our accounts and they can do literally anything they want.
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Well, I am from EU and I know I have more rights than you assuming you are from the US. Blizz has to addapt to EU laws, blizz rules do not overwrite EU laws and consumer right and protection even though I agreed to their tos :)

I find it disturbing that this reasoning - "yes, but it is their platform" - seems to be widespread. Apart from that this argument completely misses the point on ethical matters, it is just simply not true.

An online game, like any other (social) platform, is a joint effort; the company behind it might provide hosting and assets, but the "user base" is indeed an essential part of the platform. Without players you have no game, with no user you do not have a social network, and without customers you have no business. They are ultimately the ones who provide the "social content" and the financial investment in order so to say.

So it is not "the platform of the service", but a concerted effort by both service provider and users. Both groups contribute to the development of the platform, on different planes. It is no longer reasonable to expect (from a legal point of view) that deal fairly and respectfully with each other, in both directions. An unbalanced power relationship here is totally out of place.
 
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Painbow said:
What's with these replies? Who cares if you're a "douche" or whatever people are calling you.

Blizzard IS bullying people and the GMs are out of control right now. I've been fighting them about their bullcrap suspensions since at least 2012, but I won't go into my story here.

Every time I see someone banned for exploiting, they never seem to have video of it. It's unrealistic to expect someone to have video, but it is very strong for your defense if you happen to have been streaming to twitch the moment you were suspended or at least the same day. Imagine if you were recording video and everyone can clearly see you're not cheating. What will Blizzard have to say then?

I'm waiting for the day for someone to shove video evidence that they were NOT exploiting. You may not have been, but without video, Blizzard can make up any bullcrap they want. If I were you, I'd be more offended than you currently are. "How DARE you call me a cheater you pieces of walking excrement? You'd better reverse this suspension right now. I have VIDEOS of me busting botters on my Youtube channel because I hate them so very deeply and here you are calling ME one? Oh BOY you'd better reverse it."

Another nice thing is that all my phone calls are recorded. You should do the same so you have audio evidence of Blizzard jumping through hoops trying to think of any reason for the suspension to hold. I have recordings of Blizzard being unwilling to reverse a 3 hour mute in Diablo III despite them admitting I broke no rules--that I just riled people up by typing. It's a joke.
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Couldnt agree more. If they had slapped me with a 6 month ban for say... ''making the opposition sad by grinding their faces in the dirt so hard that they quit'', I'd actually be ok with it, as long as they put it in writing and i could print it out, frame it and put it up on my wall. To be banned for something i didnt do makes me so angry i have trouble describing it. I wish i had a video. But I dont stream. I'm extremely offended by both their actions and the way customer service is handling this process. But with CS, screaming at people never helps. I've been cordial with them so far, and i have yet to play ''let me speak to your manager'', but that is next up for me. Keep demanding new people until someone will tell me something. All i've gotten so far is ''i cant do anything'', ''someone else is reviewing this'', ''the department reviewing this doesnt talk on the phone'', and other boilerplate nonsense. I'm awaiting my appeal review (they said 24 hours from last night), but i doubt i'll hear anything until tomorrow. This entire suspension and the system behind it is a complete joke.
 
l30t53dd6p said:
Well, I am from EU and I know I have more rights than you assuming you are from the US. Blizz has to addapt to EU laws, blizz rules do not overwrite EU laws and consumer right and protection even though I agreed to their tos :)

I find it disturbing that this reasoning - "yes, but it is their platform" - seems to be widespread. Apart from that this argument completely misses the point on ethical matters, it is just simply not true.

An online game, like any other (social) platform, is a joint effort; the company behind it might provide hosting and assets, but the "user base" is indeed an essential part of the platform. Without players you have no game, with no user you do not have a social network, and without customers you have no business. They are ultimately the ones who provide the "social content" and the financial investment in order so to say.

So it is not "the platform of the service", but a concerted effort by both service provider and users. Both groups contribute to the development of the platform, on different planes. It is no longer reasonable to expect (from a legal point of view) that deal fairly and respectfully with each other, in both directions. An unbalanced power relationship here is totally out of place.
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You are correct, I'm in the US. I wish the EU situation was the case here, but our customer protection laws are largely a joke (see: our economy and the number of bankers sent to prison for causing an economic meltdown). Blizzard has suspended my account with not even so much as sharing a shred of evidence with me. I've asked two different CS reps ''what did i do wrong?'' and their response has basically been ''something, i dont know''. When I followed up with ''i need to know specifically why i have been suspended. what program did i use? how did i violate your TOS?'' their response is just like the GM in the chatlog above: ''we dont disclose that, wait for your appeal''... It's a nightmare dealing with these people. You're 100% correct about the unbalanced power relationship. I've been playing my account for 8 years. Over said 8 years ive paid them somewhere in the neighborhood of $1500 in subscription fees. And this doesnt even merit a 5 minute phone call with the person who is telling me that I can no longer use my account. It's a joke.
 
I just read that a small ban wave went out for people who bought pilots.

Still isn't a 3rd party program, so who knows.
 
Harbinger said:
You are correct, I'm in the US. I wish the EU situation was the case here, but our customer protection laws are largely a joke (see: our economy and the number of bankers sent to prison for causing an economic meltdown). Blizzard has suspended my account with not even so much as sharing a shred of evidence with me. I've asked two different CS reps ''what did i do wrong?'' and their response has basically been ''something, i dont know''. When I followed up with ''i need to know specifically why i have been suspended. what program did i use? how did i violate your TOS?'' their response is just like the GM in the chatlog above: ''we dont disclose that, wait for your appeal''... It's a nightmare dealing with these people. You're 100% correct about the unbalanced power relationship. I've been playing my account for 8 years. Over said 8 years ive paid them somewhere in the neighborhood of $1500 in subscription fees. And this doesnt even merit a 5 minute phone call with the person who is telling me that I can no longer use my account. It's a joke.
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Sadly you can't do anything or demanding that they explain the situation about the whys which is such a big problem really. I am not sure if the ban just happened after you paid for a subscription but I sure as hell would rollback that last payment if it was recently made before you got banned. You paid for their services and then they take it away. It is like buying cookies in a store and they take them back.
 
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