6 Month Ban for Twinking!

[Nodoka]

Wait kickbot is an addon? I just assumed it was a program that you injected into wow similar to Tmorph

 

[SPQR]

Literally anyone could do it. Because i choose to and someone else doesnt, that means i'm ruining the game for them? C'mon....

Xp on bgs in its current state mostly populated by people of medium knowledge/skill of the game and highly effected by enchant/gear.

Your actions probably made few people sad and that went in to space. now it came back.
You right, anyone can do it. Many does. Only small percentage gets ban.
Does not mean 99% of people who didn't get ban for it wont get karma back in someway or another.

 

[Harbinger]

Wait kickbot is an addon? I just assumed it was a program that you injected into wow similar to Tmorph

Once again, not actually botting. Hence the thread. Wouldnt have posted any of this if I was actually guilty of doing anything against TOS.

 

[Harbinger]

Xp on bgs in its current state mostly populated by people of medium knowledge/skill of the game and highly effected by enchant/gear.

Your actions probably made few people sad and that went in to space. now it came back.
You right, anyone can do it. Many does. Only small percentage gets ban.
Does not mean 99% of people who didn't get ban for it wont get karma back in someway or another.

Here's the thing tho... its not bannable to farm XP-on bgs with good gear. Hell, armory the toon in question, Thxobummer. His gear is... decent. Chants are ok. I'm not a 2400 rated arena player, not someone who writes addons or scripts or their own bots. I'm a casual player. I play hunters pretty well. I do well in BGs when I play them, but I probably fall into that ''medium experience/knowledge'' category. Even queueing with a decently geared MM and a decently geared priest, we win maybe 75% of bgs we play. Gear helps. Gear always helps. We took the time (a couple hours, maybe?) to get some gear, threw some gems in it and we go BGing for fun. People being butthurt because they lost should not result in a ban (A SIX MONTH BAN) for the person who killed them. Is it not fun? Definitely sucks. I've been GY camped from minute 1 of wsg plenty of times by geared premades. Hell the toon i got banned playing today has been GY camped when i went in with my healer buddy. It happens. It's part of the game. Thing is: it's not bannable to outgear your opponent. You seem to think I'm a dick for taking a couple hours to gear a toon to be better in pvp. I dont get it, but I respect your opinion that I'm a dick. Does that mean i deserve a 6 MONTH ban?

 

[Nodoka]

Once again, not actually botting. Hence the thread. Wouldnt have posted any of this if I was actually guilty of doing anything against TOS.

Redirect me to the post that I accused you of botting.. I asked a simple question no need to go all defensive stance on me

 

[Harbinger]

Redirect me to the post that I accused you of botting.. I asked a simple question no need to go all defensive stance on me

I dont need something to help me interrupt. And from what people are saying, its bannable to use it. My point is I'm using absolutely nothing that falls outside blizzard TOS. I'm a casual player rolling casual BGs and, at this point, im pretty sure i got banned because of butthurt alliance reporting me because ''this guy killed me! he MUST be cheating!''

 

[l30t53dd6p]

I am not sure what you actually want to achiev by posting this here. This site and its members can't do anything.

I am not saying you are guilty or that I do not believe you but blizzard saying you used 3rd party/botting stuff must have a reason, you should ask blizz for that and you'll find out on which grounds they gave you a 6 month ban. I am certain being reported by players doesn't get you banned for like 6 months.

 

[Harbinger]

I am not sure what you actually want to achiev by posting this here. This site and its members can't do anything.

I am not saying you are guilty or that I do not believe you but blizzard saying you used 3rd party/botting stuff must have a reason, you should ask blizz for that and you'll find out on which grounds they gave you a 6 month ban. I am certain being reported by players doesn't get you banned for like 6 months.

Thats exactly the reason I'm posting this here. I was certain that being reported by people who were angry that i beat them in pvp wouldnt get me banned as long as I'm not actually doing anything against TOS. I'm not using 3rd party software. I'm not actually cheating. Yet here i am, banned. Maybe its a cautionary tale? ''Dont beat people too bad or blizz will ban you''.
This is sorta random: I'm not super tech-savvy, but if I had to throw a guess at the way their anti-bot software works, specifically with something like kickbot, I'd guess it tracks a player's successful interrupt percentage, compares that to a pre-set percentage that the program thinks is humanly manageable, then pops out a ''bot'' or ''not'' result. If I got banned for being good with CounterShot, I dont even know what to say. Anyone know how their software that sniffs out bots works? Because i see bots all over the damn place and I think i only know one or two people who've been banned for botting (since i started playing in '08).

 

[Allybeboba]

I have been "temp banned" by Blizzard on one of my accounts because someone reported my name. It got reported because someone got angry at me in a Battleground for not healing them "enough".

However, I highly doubt Blizzard would dole out a six month suspension unless a subscriber had broken the EULA. Which apparently the the OP must have done. Otherwise they would running customers off left and right. Because WoW needs all the subs it can muster.

 

[Nodoka]

You cheated move on and do a Devm buy a new account.

 

[Harbinger]

You cheated move on and do a Devm buy a new account.

I should just stop replying to you... but... once again... the issue here is I actually didn't (and don't) cheat. That's why i posted the thread.

 

[Cigarette]

Oh yeah, I feel ya, I got this bullshit ban for botting once too. Oh wait, that was because I was botting at the time..

Live and learn, I played the i'm-a-longtime-customer-who-learned-his-lesson card and it got overturned to a 3day. Incidentily, I learned my lesson and uninstalled honorbuddy that night.

 

[Allybeboba]

Strange thing is, both of those SS are taken just as the BG is won. As if is was preprogrammed to do that...
Otherwise you could just send them to Blizzard and prove that it was indeed you that was playing. Maybe you have some during the middle of the matches? Surely that would convince them. The files have timestamps. I am sure you could make some sort of case with the the SS unless they were all taken exactly when the BGs ended.

 

[Harbinger]

Strange thing is, both of those SS are taken just as the BG is won. As if is was preprogrammed to do that...
Otherwise you could just send them to Blizzard and prove that it was indeed you that was playing. Maybe you have some during the middle of the matches. Surely that would convince them. The files have timestamps. I am sure you could make sort of case with the the SS unless they were all taken exactly when the BGs ended.

I screenshot my high dmg finishes. Been doing it for years. I have SS's of oldschool wsg's before 20 min time limit of 150-0 at lvl 19. I generally dont screenshot during gameplay, as print-screen is on the right of the keyboard, and my right hand is on my mouse. I SS the final board when I do well. Sometimes its to remember names of good players on my side (or their side), sometimes its purely cause i feel good that i did almost 800k dmg at lvl 65.

Edit: heres another one taken (on my other hunter Pikeline) not ''right as the bg finishes'' as most of my team has already left. also notice party chat. I'm at that keyboard, playing. Not botting.

Edit2: also, bots dont top meters (in my experience). bots run around and get murdered. And why would a bot be programmed to take a screenshot of the board at the end? Not being a dick, genuinely curious.

 

[Allybeboba]

If they are taken at different times at the ends of the ends of the BGs then you can prove it was in fact you at the computer.
You can explain this to customer support. Just be professional about it. Honey attracks more bees than vinegar!

 

[Harbinger]

If they are taken at different times at the ends of the ends of the BGs then you can prove it was in fact you at the computer.
You can explain this to customer support. Just be professional about it. Honey attracks more bees than vinegar!

They are taken at different times after the bg ends. The number of people left in the raid group is different in most of my screenshots. I will usually stick around for 20 or 30 sec to see how well the opposition did, as, on a daily/nightly basis, i'll run into the same people over and over.

Edit: do you really think sending them end of game screenshots would help? Again, i screenshot the end board quite often, but never at the exact same time after the win/loss. The number of my team still in the BG is almost never the same. There are plenty of them where its just me sitting alone in the finished BG because I got up to go grab a drink or something at the end and didnt click leave before i went, but grabbed an SS when i got back.

 

[icehawk]

I feel for you if u have been banned for simply playing a good, geared Huntard.
I have to be honest, I love playing Huntards also, and my first 3 toons were all Huntards. I levelled a BM to 100, and a Surv & MM to 90. And after learning their mechanics, I used to do the same thing and gear for every bracket. And yes u can really destroy by playing like that.
And u also become very quick with Countershot.
But to be banned and for them to say u have been botting, they really should provide what evidence they found. Just wait and see what they say. 6 months is a long ban which they wouldn't give for something trivial.
I'd be interested in what they have found, or believe they have found. Seems in this instance, it could be a case of guilty until proven innocent

 

[Harbinger]

I feel for you if u have been banned for simply playing a good, geared Huntard.
I have to be honest, I love playing Huntards also, and my first 3 toons were all Huntards. I levelled a BM to 100, and a Surv & MM to 90. And after learning their mechanics, I used to do the same thing and gear for every bracket. And yes u can really destroy by playing like that.
And u also become very quick with Countershot.
But to be banned and for them to say u have been botting, they really should provide what evidence they found. Just wait and see what they say. 6 months is a long ban which they wouldn't give for something trivial.
I'd be interested in what they have found, or believe they have found. Seems in this instance, it could be a case of guilty until proven innocent

Good to know I'm not the only one. I live chatted with a GM tonight (they apparently wont talk to you on the phone), and the outcome was basically that they received the appeal that I filed and i should receive a response within 24 hours. So at this point, I suppose I'm in a holding pattern.

for fun (and profit?) heres the chat log:
TYFOSSA21:26:35
Heya! This is Game Master Tyfossa, I'm looking over your ticket now. While I'm looking over this, how are you doin' today?
YOU21:26:51
not so great
TYFOSSA21:27:31
Takin' a look into the account now, but I'm not able to overturn this suspension here, since I'm not apart of the appeals team
YOU21:27:57
earlier i received a notice that my account has been suspended for use of 3rd party software. while i understand that is against TOS and is an actionable offense, i have one problem. I'm not actually using any 3rd party software or anything that violates TOS
YOU21:28:31
and all i can get in response to my question about ''what 3rd party software has been detected'' is no answer at all.
TYFOSSA21:28:42
I do see you have an appeals ticket in now, so once that gets answered, that'll be up to our appeals team to determine if it was done properly or not. 3rd Party Software includes anything that automates gameplay, or anything like that
YOU21:29:02
i dont use anything like that
YOU21:29:07
at all. and this is my problem
YOU21:29:23
i received an email that they have ''verified'' that im using something of that nature
YOU21:29:31
and i am not. and i want to know WHAT they say im using
TYFOSSA21:29:50
Regardless, I can't unsuspend the account. We'll need the appeals ticket to be pulled and responded to, and we can look it over there
YOU21:30:27
im not trying to get unsuspended. im trying to talk with someone who can start that process and maybe call me on the phone to tell me exactly what is going on
YOU21:31:18
all i get from customer support is that someone else is reviewing it. can the department that is reviewing it call me? i'd really like to talk to them
TYFOSSA21:31:40
As for the process being started, it's already begun since we submitted the appeals ticket, thats the first step. As far as calling about this, we generally don't handle appeals over the phone, but you can always submit a callback request for this, our phones are open for another 30m. If you're submitting a ticket, it should show up as an option
YOU21:33:06
i got a callback before from a CS rep that was basically useless. i need to speak with someone who is actually in that department so they can tell me what i did wrong.
YOU21:34:58
i dont use anything that automates gameplay. i never have. and ive been banned for doing something that i didnt actually do. i am not detecting any sense of urgency on the part of customer service to actually resolve this issue. ive been playing since '08 and have never done anything involving bots or scripts. to have this just come out of nowhere has me confused and very frustrated with blizzard CS
TYFOSSA21:34:53
Again, we don't handle appeals over the phone, we only handle those through the ticket system. The email details what we can tell you, any specifics like "What program was used" "How we found it" is not information we generally give out. When we close or suspend an account, we don't do it lightly, and will have evidence of our end of what we're punishing for
YOU21:35:51
it seems like this was done very lightly
YOU21:36:13
one minute im pvping with my friend, then i get a notice that ive been banned for botting. which im not doing
TYFOSSA21:36:28
I can assure you it was not. Regardless, we'll need to wait for the appeals ticket to be responded to for a final answer on this, is there anything else you'd like to talk about tonight?
YOU21:36:59
when will i hear about this?
TYFOSSA21:37:17
Within the next 24 hours
YOU21:40:01
and what happens if the suspension is upheld but i have legitimately not done anything wrong?
YOU21:40:14
im just out of luck? im the one that falls thru the cracks?
TYFOSSA21:40:34
If it's upheld, then it's upheld, I can't make a judgement call on whether or not it's the right call, but it would remain suspended if we can confirm the previous evidence is correct
YOU21:41:33
so then yes, if they make a mistake, im out of luck
TYFOSSA21:42:28
Alright, wait for their response, and see what they say. Anything else I can look into for you tonight?
YOU21:43:01
how many times can i appeal?
TYFOSSA21:44:42
A few times, I know. Not sure the exact number since I'm not on that team
YOU21:46:33
ok. and when i appeal, will it always be viewed by the same person?
TYFOSSA21:46:56
No, it will be a different person each time, a Game Master cannot second check their own work
YOU21:49:04
ok, last question. how often does this process of finding 3rd party software result in a false positive? ive been speaking to a bunch of friends about this, and they think its the result of % of successful interrupts in pvp. is it possible ive been banned because im legitimately good at my class?
TYFOSSA21:51:14
False positives almost never occur, because of the evidence we pull. We don't suspend accounts lightly, and we have all the evidence necessary to suspend an account. Which is why we have the appeal system, if this is a false positive, we can take a look at the evidence we have, but again, not something that commonly occurs
YOU21:52:40
ok, actually last thing, sorry. someone else told me that whenever a person gets mass reported, they get banned for 24 hours while an investigation is done. my friend and i were crushing people in battlegrounds, i have no doubt we got reported by frustrated players. probably a good number of them. is the 24 hour thing true?
TYFOSSA21:52:45
No
TYFOSSA21:53:01
For that, he may have been confused, that happens for spamming (Gold spamming specifically) but we don't suspend the account
TYFOSSA21:53:03
we just silence it
YOU21:54:53
interesting. ok, i guess. hopefully whatever department is reviewing this makes the right call. i dont know how you guys detect 3rd party software, but if whatever they use is actually working, they'll see im not (and never have been) using any
TYFOSSA21:55:05
I hope so as well, anything else you'd like to talk about tonight?
YOU21:55:51
no, thats it, thanks
TYFOSSA21:56:10
Most definitely. Hopefully we can give this a second look. Hope it looks up man
YOU21:57:03
me too. hopefully they'll see my account activity and realize im not botting.
TYFOSSA21:57:19
Definitely, we'll see what they say on that. Have a good night man
YOU21:57:43
you too

 

[Hobbes]

Thats sad... any updates?

 

[Hobbes]

Well, it may have been that one of your addons started to rake in massive amounts of RAM. For example, Auction addons such as TSM or Auctionator. Also gold guides which give built in addons to help you acquire gold by telling you where to go and what to kill will also compute the power from WoW which results in overriding the maximum Ram allocated to World of Warcraft by your system and hence the Warden program triggers a review, couple that with the numerous reports of players, and your massive high damage, which is kinda rare in lvl 60-60 XP-on battlegrounds, thus resulting in Blizzard taking this the wrong way.

It would really help us here at twinkinfo if you could list each and every addon that you use or have used. A non working addon lying around in your computer can also send a false positive to the Warden program for when it scans your computer. What I tend to do when playing bg's on a run with high gear or with friends in a group is to disable irrelevant addons such as TSM, Gatherer,Skada,etc. It increases my fps a bit and I have no fear of getting banned. Check your hdd, ssd usb and microsd, maybe even wireless bluetooth, wifi for anything which steals your processing power. My advice is only applicable if the what you said is true and leaving no stone unturned. If it proves fruitless, PM me and I'll write a ticket for you.

Best of Luck in regaining back your hunTARD.