19 Quick Start Gearing Guide [BfA]

Laser said:
Is there any chance that Quest item and GF'd items can be added into this? As an optional "If you have these items"
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Probably not, as there's no really good way to present that information. I may make a short list of notable upgrades per class (soothsayer, ranged weapons, etc) and a list of zones for each side that can be done in a separate section - but individual quest items won't be added to the main section. You'll have to use your best judgement. You're also welcome to ask here or in discord about specific items.
 
Hey. Are you sure that you can use Pacifier as a level 19? It says that it has a level requirement of 32, not only that. Mog'rosh is a level 62 elite now. Can the Pacifier somehow still scale to your level? I'm asking for a friend who's a fury warrior
 
Leg up Leg down said:
Hey. Are you sure that you can use Pacifier as a level 19? It says that it has a level requirement of 32, not only that. Mog'rosh is a level 62 elite now. Can the Pacifier somehow still scale to your level? I'm asking for a friend who's a fury warrior
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Wowhead is a bit weird with the scaling nowadays - but yes, Lo'Grosh scales to any level within the zone (10-60 or something) - so it will be level 19 on your level 19. And the gear it drops will be level 19. I've gotten 2 epic pacifiers for my fury warrior so far.
 
How would you go about looking for new epics that potentially drop? I am a 20 and I find this thread extremely helpful but I think there could be rares or just mobs in the 20 - x level ranges with unique drops which could turn epics which 19s don't have access to. Is there way to find these?
 
elffies said:
How would you go about looking for new epics that potentially drop? I am a 20 and I find this thread extremely helpful but I think there could be rares or just mobs in the 20 - x level ranges with unique drops which could turn epics which 19s don't have access to. Is there way to find these?
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I don't know of any additional rares for level 20, but if you want to research it, I would look for all the zones that are level 20-60 (like stonetalon).

To check for rares, go to the wowhead page for stonetalon mountains and then look at the npc list for rares: https://www.wowhead.com/stonetalon-mountains#npcs - You can filter for 'rare' and then see a list. Look through the drop table for all of the rares for the items it drops, look specifically for drops that say they are from that rare, but also keep an eye out for zone drops, as those can be single source drops that wowhead accidentally recorded as dropping from a nearby mob. For example, we'll look at https://www.wowhead.com/npc=4015/pridewing-patriarch and we can see it drops https://www.wowhead.com/item=5751/webwing-cloak as a unique drop. Use the javascript bookmarklet at the bottom of the farmable upgrades list to see the wow encyclopedia page to see if it upgrades - which it does: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/5751 - but the big question is, "Does it still drop?" Looking at the sell price and the listings on undermine journal doesn't inspire confidence. I don't see any scaled versions. So mhy guess is "probably not" - but its really hard to prove a negative, and some things came back in 8.0 and are still low drop rates. So you can go kill it if you want.

For single source drops, I honestly can't remember how to find them on wowhead. But good news is that Donor has a list of single source drops: https://xpoff.com/threads/single-drop-source-boes.75473/

So I'd check there for any drops that are in the 20+ zones that aren't 19 zones. If they are confirmed, I'd go kill it. If they are GFd, theres still a chance it came back recently, but much less likely.
 
Hurley said:
For Horde cloth casters - Chest armor quest reward from Eversong Woods. Looks like it has more intel than any other quest reward chest. I got a rare upgrade with 13 intel /10 stam. So an epic would be 16/13 which would be pretty sweet.
https://www.wowhead.com/item=23399/fallen-apprentices-robe&bonus=3675

Also in Eversong, quest for Horde mages - epic Ley Staff would be 37/13 11 vers. Worth trying for if you don't your Foamspittle yet :)
https://www.wowhead.com/item=9513/ley-staff&bonus=3675
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Good stuff, but its probably outside the scope of this guide for right now. I may eventually add a small blurb on what item(s) might be worth rerolling for on a new toon (which would include that chest and soothsayer leather/mail chest) - but not quite sure yet.
 
Just posting a todo list for myself. Feel free to respond to any of the open questions if you have an opinion on them.

TODO:
* Just found out that abilites no longer use weapon damage in BfA, but rather use weapon dps. Need to search for references to weapon damage and remove them. Also need to research/update viable options for rogues, monks, surv hunters, and enhance shamans.
* Be more opinionated on certain stat priorities. While generally both crit/haste are viable, this guide should probably stick to providing the 'cookie cutter' priority where possible.
* Link an heirloom option wherever I can - even if the stat priority isn't there to choose between crit/haste.
* Remove the less cape option between cloak of the brotherhood and sporid cape if stat priority is present
* Break out Arcane mage into its own section (haste stat priority). Possibly include frost with it, but definitely split out fire.
* +9 Spellpower seems to be doing work for most casters. Remove elemental force from all healers. Still on the fence about leaving it there for most caster dps
* Remove Foamspittle from shaman/pally caster specs. While an advanced player might be able to swap to a foamspittle when they can freely cast, it is probably too advanced for this guide.
* Add appropriately colored "of the Quickblade" and "of the Aurora" text to applicable items (silvermoon chests, scouting gloves, etc)
* Dungeon Satchel is missing from several slots (commonly bracers) due to it being inferior at ilvl 23. Now that it is also ilvl 25, go through guide and add it back in where applicable.
* Make definitive list of which slots can drop from Dungeon Satchel and BG Crate and add blurbs about them to the FAQ
* If rarer unscaled items like Mystic's Wrap, Mystic's Sphere, Gloomshroud, and Prospector pants stay in the guide (see below), add the ilvl where they are useful.
* Look for minor errors such as where there is no space between the wowhead tooltip and a parens or something
* Remove https://www.wowhead.com/item=14584/dokebi-hat&bonus=3831
* Add Zanadalari passive 5% speed buff to the movespeed post

Open Questions:
* Mentioned earlier, should ele force still be considered an option alongside 9SP for caster dps?
* BG Crates are near-impossible to get nowadays at 19. Should these be removed from the applicable slots? Especially where there is a Dungeon Satchel/Dungeon Drop option?
* Consider removing some glass cannon options that are only slightly better damage than the balanced option
* Is it worth keeping extremely hard-to-find green/blue BoEs (like Mystic's Wrap, Gloomshroud, Prospector's Pants, etc) that aren't BiS or may not even drop anymore?
* Is it worth keeping 1H options for classes that use Foamspittle? Foamspittle is just too good for anything else to compare. (Note, does not include shaman/pally)
* Should I remove jagged star and other high-melee-dps staves from various classes (but especially MW monk)? Foamspittle is going to beat jagged star for weapon dps and come close to the other staves, while also having vastly superior stats...
* Have there been people testing/playing prot warrior? Is it worth creating a section for it?
* Is it worth listing both defending and returning champion in the trinket lists? Or does one suffice?
* Do abilities that are based on offhand damage still use 1/2 mainhand damage? Need to re-test this since the abilities are based on weapon dps instead of damage.

* Quest Epics. These have become SUCH an important part of gearing a 19 twink. But its hard to include in the guide. Including the best options is kinda annoying since most twinks are not going to get lucky with any given roll. Including all viable upgrades is going to be a stupid hard task due to the sheer number of possible upgrades. It would also bloat the guide to hide useful information. I currently just have a list of the quests in each zone for horde/ally. I'm currently leaning towards a small "Quest Epics" section which would include any notable quest epics that are either worth aiming for with rerolls or are BiS (usually verse things).
 
Cool find and additional todo item:

You can add `&ilvl=25` to the end of a wowhead link to make it scale to that ilvl, which means it will use the right ilvl when linking. There are other interesting options such as showing which items in a set that you have equipped. Makes for a cool tooltip.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=10410/leggings-of-the-fang?lvl=19&pcs=10412:10411:10413:10410:6473
https://www.wowhead.com/item=122663/eternal-amulet-of-the-redeemed&lvl=19&bonus=0

More info and other options here: https://www.wowhead.com/tooltips

* Redo wowhead links with ilvl scaling
 
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Farmable Upgrades

Now that 8.1.5 has had some time to settle, I've started to put together a list of farmable epics. If you have any other BoE Epics or know of anyone who does, please screenshot or link your armory. The Unknown section includes many things that in theory upgrade, but may not drop in game anymore.

This is only for BoE epics that are farmable. In theory, BoP epics that are farmable would be accepted as well...I just don't know of any.

I'd highly recommend addons like NPCScan to help identify rares. It might also help to create a targeting macro that can be spammed to find a specific rare mob. The following macro will attempt to target Lo'Grosh, and then moonfire if targeting an enemy.

Code: 
/cleartarget
/target Lo'Grosh
/cast [harm, nodead] Moonfire

Caster Weapons
https://www.wowhead.com/item=1405 - 37 int, 13 stam, 16 verse
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=517
Shares spawns with: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=127
Item use: Caster BiS, despite losing the offhand int enchant. Shamans may want to keep 1h/shield instead or in addition to a staff.
Tips:
  • Group up to share tags for low HP mobs
  • For Horde - take the zeppelin from Org to GromGar and head north up the coast
  • Recommended spot is approximately 27, 70. Can go south for another couple of camps while waiting for respawns
  • Consider also tagging the https://www.wowhead.com/npc=831/sea-crawler - as they can drop an epic https://www.wowhead.com/item=2088
  • Rare version is comparable with current adaptable 1h/offhand setups
https://www.wowhead.com/item=1391/riverpaw-mystic-staff - 37 int, 13 stam, 13 verse
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=453
Shares spawns with: Riverpaw Taskmasters
Item use: While not quite as good as foamspittle, the epic riverpaw mystic staff is still better than most other options. It isn't any easier to farm - so probably stick with foamspittle.
Tips:
  • Mobs are more spread out than foamspittle, but the spot is less popular, so you'll have less competition
  • This is NOT as good as foamspittle (less verse) - so even less competition
  • Group up to share tags for low HP mobs
  • For Horde - take the zeppelin from Org to GromGar and head north up the coast and then west towards the riverpaw camps
  • Recommended spot: 63.62, 77.82 - theres a camp where a single mob respawns in a few seconds (depending on the number of players in the area)

Agility 1H Weapons
https://www.wowhead.com/item=5744/pale-skinner - 4 agi, 6 stam
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=472
Approx spawn rate: 15-30 minutes
Item use: BiS farmable mainhand for rogues/WW monks. Several other options exist from quests with possibly better stats - so exhaust your quest possibilities first. The drop rate appears to be very low even before looking at the upgrade rate.
Tips:
  • Group up to for better chance for your faction to win the tag (and share the low-HP mob)
  • Horde - Go to Grom'Gol by zeppelin and then head north up the shoreline and through westfall.
  • ??? - (Haven't done this farm yet, don't have more details)
https://www.wowhead.com/item=820/slicer-blade - 8 agi
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=115
Shares spawns with: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=154
Item use: Most agility for rogue offhands. Shares BiS with Talon of Vultros
Tips:
  • Group up to share tags for low HP mobs
  • For Horde - take the zeppelin from Org to GromGar and head north up the coast to westfall
https://www.wowhead.com/item=115349/talon-of-vultros - 7 agi, 3 crit
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=462
Approx spawn rate: 15 minutes to 1 hour?
Item use: Contender for best dagger (has 1 less agility, but 3 more crit than Slicer Blade). Good offhand for all rogues and WW monk. Good mainhand dagger for dagger rogues.
Tips:
  • Group up to for better chance to find Vultros
  • For Horde - take the zeppelin from Org to GromGar and head north up the coast
  • There are 4 main spawn locations - see wowhead
  • Can also drop https://www.wowhead.com/item=115348
https://www.wowhead.com/item=1917/jeweled-dagger - 4agi, 8stam
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=99/morgaine-the-sly
Approx spawn rate: 15-30 minutes
Item use: Good FC option for rogues and FC druids (w/ stacks). More damage than an ilvl 25 for a mainhand dagger rogue - but look for Slicer Blade or Talon of Vultros instead.
Tips:
  • Group up to for better chance for your faction to win the tag (and share the low-HP mob)
  • Horde - Go to Grom'Gol by zeppelin and then head north up the shoreline and through westfall.
  • ??? - (Haven't done this farm yet, don't have more details)
https://www.wowhead.com/item=2088/long-crawler-limb - 4agi, 8stam
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=831/sea-crawler
Item use: Good FC option for rogues and FC druids (w/ stacks). More damage than an ilvl 25 for a mainhand dagger rogue - but look for Slicer Blade or Talon of Vultros instead.
Tips:
  • Group up to share tags for low HP mobs
  • For Horde - take the zeppelin from Org to GromGar and head north up the coast
  • Consider combining with the https://www.wowhead.com/item=1405/foamspittle-staff grind
  • There is a decent group at 36, 18 and another at 33, 24

Agility 2H Weapons
None so far =(

Strength 1H Weapons (for the rare prot warr/pally)
https://www.wowhead.com/item=1958/petrified-shinbone - 4 str, 5 stam, 5 crit
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=625
Shares spawns with: ?
Item use: Good option for the rare prot pally/warrior. More desirable to 20s, where some pve stuff happens.
Tips:
  • Group up to share tags for low HP mobs
  • Horde - Go to Grom'Gol by zeppelin and then head north up the shoreline into westfall.
  • Consider combining with https://www.wowhead.com/npc=626 grind
  • Wowhead has this also dropping from Skeletal Miner, this is likely an error. It is a single source drop and DOES upgrade.
https://www.wowhead.com/item=827/wicked-blackjack - 8 str
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=449
Item use: Good option for the rare prot pally/warrior. More desirable to 20s, where some pve stuff happens.
Tips:
  • Group up to share tags for low HP mobs
  • Alliance only - these mobs are in a specific phase
  • "Complete the quest series in Westfall up to and including Rise of the Brotherhood. After you turn in to King Wrynn in Stormwind, return to Westfall. The sky will be red and Defias Knuckledusters will be among the mobs attacking Sentinel Hill. They have an essentially instant respawn rate. Just farm away until the mace drops." - From Celano in the wowhead comments
  • Kill all of the Defias mobs, as they share spawns with the Kunckledusters. Henchmen can also drop https://www.wowhead.com/item=1927/deadmines-cleaver - while it does NOT upgrade, its worth grabbing for transmog and selling on the AH.
  • The north gate of sentinel hill was a good spot for me.

Strength 2H Weapons
https://www.wowhead.com/item=6327/the-pacifier - 14str, 5stam
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=2453
Approx spawn rate: 1.5-2 hours
Item use: BiS 2H str weapon. Comparable to several quest upgrade options. Warriors and Ret pallies get farming.
Tips:
  • Group up to for better chance for your faction to win the tag
  • Also drops boulder and kickers

Cloth
https://www.wowhead.com/item=31264/silvermoon-robes - 8 int, 13 stam, 11-12 secondaries (quickblade/aurora/fireflash)
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=22060/fenissa-the-assassin
Approx spawn rate: 1 hour?
Item use: BiS Cloth robes. Ideally quickblade/aurora with 7/4 or 6/6.
Tips:
  • Group up to for better chance of finding her and ensuring everyone gets a tag
  • Horde - Swim (or get a ride) from Darkshore to Teldrassil. A swimming mount (Sea Turtle/Riding Turtle), druid aquative form, or water walking may be required to survive - otherwise you'll need to run back as a ghost after dying to fatigue. Take the portal on the dock on the west to get to Azuremyst isle, then head north (don't get too close to the Exodar)
  • Can spawn in three places - see wowhead comments
  • Mob is stealthed, so somewhat hard to find
  • Also drops https://www.wowhead.com/item=31263 and https://www.wowhead.com/item=31256
  • Wowhead has this listed as a possible drop from Sunhawk Agent as well - this is an error. It is a single-source drop and DOES upgrade.

Leather
https://www.wowhead.com/item=3011/feathered-headdress - 11 primary, 10 versatility
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=2452
Approx spawn rate: 1.5-3 hours?
Item use: Glass cannon head option. Mainly for agility users, as casters will prefer engineering goggle options.
Tips:
https://www.wowhead.com/item=2167/foremans-gloves - 8 primary, 8 haste
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=626
Approx spawn rate: 5-8 minutes
Item use: Glass cannon option for leather agility gloves. It can be enchanted with glove reinforcement, but that negates going glass cannon. Casters will generally prefer the full fang/slitherscale set.
Tips:
https://www.wowhead.com/item=4810/boulder-pads - 9 primary, 8 crit
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=2453
Approx spawn rate: 1.5-2 hours
Item use: Glass cannon shoulders for a glass cannon set (rogues, boomkins, and hunters might consider). Can't be legally enchant except for +2 stam.
Tips:
  • Group up to for better chance for your faction to win the tag
  • Also drops pacifier and kickers
https://www.wowhead.com/item=31263/silvermoon-tunic - 8 primary, 13 stamina, 11/12 secondaries (quickblade/aurora/fireflash)
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=22060/fenissa-the-assassin
Approx spawn rate: 1 hour?
Item use: Possible BiS leather chest. Ideally quickblade/aurora with 7/4 or 6/6.
Tips:
  • Group up to for better chance of finding her and ensuring everyone gets a tag
  • Horde - Swim (or get a ride) from Darkshore to Teldrassil. A swimming mount (Sea Turtle/Riding Turtle), druid aquative form, or water walking may be required to survive - otherwise you'll need to run back as a ghost after dying to fatigue. Take the portal on the dock on the west to get to Azuremyst isle, then head north (don't get too close to the Exodar)
  • Can spawn in three places - see wowhead comments
  • Mob is stealthed, so somewhat hard to find
  • Also drops https://www.wowhead.com/item=31264 and https://www.wowhead.com/item=31256
https://www.wowhead.com/item=2087/hard-crawler-carapace - 11 primary, 13 stam
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=830/sand-crawler
Item use: Possible BiS farmable leather chest. Silvermoon chest has 3 less primary, but 11/12 total secondaries - but the carapace is easier to farm. Casters will likely stick with the full Fang/Slitherscale set.
Tips:
  • Group up to share tags for low HP mobs
  • For Horde - take the zeppelin from Org to GromGar and head north up the coast
  • There are several sizable groups on the beach, and usually a few just inside the water. The group at 40,10 appear to respawn fairly fast, but moving all along the north coast is recommended.
  • Consider pulling any https://www.wowhead.com/npc=831/sea-crawler that are nearby for the chance at the dagger they drop.
https://www.wowhead.com/item=38513/boarhide-leggings - 11primary, 13 stam
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=100/gruff-swiftbite
Approx spawn rate: 15-30 minutes
Item use: BiS Leather BoE legs, can be enchanted. Mostly for agility users and FC sets due to the fang legs being used for casters.
Tips:
  • Group up to for better chance for your faction to win the tag (and share the low-HP mob)
  • Horde - Go to Grom'Gol by zeppelin and then head north up the shoreline and through westfall.
  • Can spawn at a few of the various camps. 26.85, 89.72 is a good spot to see the camps.
  • This is a low level quest area, so random people will be clearing the camps fairly often

Mail
https://www.wowhead.com/item=31256/silvermoon-armor - 8 primary, 13 stam, 11/12 secondaries (quickblade/aurora/fireflash)
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=22060/fenissa-the-assassin
Approx spawn rate: 1 hour?
Item use: BiS mail chest. Ideally quickblade/aurora with 7/4 or 6/6.
Tips:
  • Group up to for better chance of finding her and ensuring everyone gets a tag
  • Horde - Swim (or get a ride) from Darkshore to Teldrassil. A swimming mount (Sea Turtle/Riding Turtle), druid aquative form, or water walking may be required to survive - otherwise you'll need to run back as a ghost after dying to fatigue. Take the portal on the dock on the west to get to Azuremyst isle, then head north (don't get too close to the Exodar)
  • Can spawn in three places - see wowhead comments
  • Mob is stealthed, so somewhat hard to find
  • Also drops https://www.wowhead.com/item=31264 and https://www.wowhead.com/item=31263
https://www.wowhead.com/item=2166/foremans-leggings - 11 primary, 13 stam
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=626
Approx spawn rate: 5-8 minutes
Item use: BiS for mail agility legs that can be enchanted (hunters, enhance shammy). Resto/ele shammy will probably still prefer the slither-scale set.
Tips:
https://www.wowhead.com/item=1678/black-ogre-kickers - 5 primary, 9 stam
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=2453
Approx spawn rate: 1.5-2 hours
Item use: FC set for hunters/shamans?
Tips:
  • Group up to for better chance for your faction to win the tag
  • Also drops pacifier and boulder

Plate
=(

Misc
https://www.wowhead.com/item=115348/feathered-cape - 7 agi, 7 stam
Drops from: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=462
Approx spawn rate: 15 minutes to 1 hour?
Item use: Decent cloak for a balanced agility user. Less agility than parachute cloak, not overly better than Sporid Cape for rogue/hunter. Might work well for a "max movement speed" set with gift and let parachute cloak use an agility enchant.
Tips:
  • Group up to for better chance to find Vultros
  • For Horde - take the zeppelin from Org to GromGar and head north up the coast
  • There are 4 main spawn locations - see wowhead
  • Can also drop https://www.wowhead.com/item=115349


Inferior

These items drop and upgrade, but are direct downgrades from other BoE gear. Unless they prove to be extremely easy to farm, then these aren't worth considering.



Unknown/Unlikely

These are items that were in the game at one point, currently exist in the database and can upgrade - but its most likely that they no longer actually drop in game. Most of the rare mobs that drop them were changed in cata. Some of these might have appeared from salvage crates for a while, which can make tracking things down confusing. Consider all of things HIGHLY UNLIKELY to drop.

Note that this is only a small subset of items that used to exist and no longer drop. See more info here: https://xpoff.com/threads/single-drop-source-boes.75473/


Does NOT upgrade

These are items that do NOT upgrade, though they still drop. It appears that dungeon drops are not eligable to upgrade, and sometimes items USED to be dungeon drops even if they aren't anymore. There are also a few other exceptions. Confirmation comes from looking items on the old WoW Encyclopedia - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/1927 - as it will say if it can be Rare/Epic.

The WoW Encyclopedia is part of the old wow website, and many things (such as search) don't work anymore. You can create a bookmark with the following code as the URL, then look up an item on wowhead. When you click the bookmark, it will take you to the correct WoW Encyclopedia page. Very useful for combining wowhead's search and filters with the official information
Code: 
javascript:window.location.href = "http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/" + window.location.href.substring(window.location.href.search("item=")+5).split("/")[0]

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necroaqua said:
Just posting a todo list for myself. Feel free to respond to any of the open questions if you have an opinion on them.

TODO:
* Just found out that abilites no longer use weapon damage in BfA, but rather use weapon dps. Need to search for references to weapon damage and remove them. Also need to research/update viable options for rogues, monks, surv hunters, and enhance shamans.
* Be more opinionated on certain stat priorities. While generally both crit/haste are viable, this guide should probably stick to providing the 'cookie cutter' priority where possible.
* Link an heirloom option wherever I can - even if the stat priority isn't there to choose between crit/haste.
* Remove the less cape option between cloak of the brotherhood and sporid cape if stat priority is present
* Break out Arcane mage into its own section (haste stat priority). Possibly include frost with it, but definitely split out fire.
* +9 Spellpower seems to be doing work for most casters. Remove elemental force from all healers. Still on the fence about leaving it there for most caster dps
* Remove Foamspittle from shaman/pally caster specs. While an advanced player might be able to swap to a foamspittle when they can freely cast, it is probably too advanced for this guide.
* Add appropriately colored "of the Quickblade" and "of the Aurora" text to applicable items (silvermoon chests, scouting gloves, etc)
* Dungeon Satchel is missing from several slots (commonly bracers) due to it being inferior at ilvl 23. Now that it is also ilvl 25, go through guide and add it back in where applicable.
* Make definitive list of which slots can drop from Dungeon Satchel and BG Crate and add blurbs about them to the FAQ
* If rarer unscaled items like Mystic's Wrap, Mystic's Sphere, Gloomshroud, and Prospector pants stay in the guide (see below), add the ilvl where they are useful.
* Look for minor errors such as where there is no space between the wowhead tooltip and a parens or something
* Remove https://www.wowhead.com/item=14584/dokebi-hat&bonus=3831
* Add Zanadalari passive 5% speed buff to the movespeed post

Open Questions:
* Mentioned earlier, should ele force still be considered an option alongside 9SP for caster dps?
* BG Crates are near-impossible to get nowadays at 19. Should these be removed from the applicable slots? Especially where there is a Dungeon Satchel/Dungeon Drop option?
* Consider removing some glass cannon options that are only slightly better damage than the balanced option
* Is it worth keeping extremely hard-to-find green/blue BoEs (like Mystic's Wrap, Gloomshroud, Prospector's Pants, etc) that aren't BiS or may not even drop anymore?
* Is it worth keeping 1H options for classes that use Foamspittle? Foamspittle is just too good for anything else to compare. (Note, does not include shaman/pally)
* Should I remove jagged star and other high-melee-dps staves from various classes (but especially MW monk)? Foamspittle is going to beat jagged star for weapon dps and come close to the other staves, while also having vastly superior stats...
* Have there been people testing/playing prot warrior? Is it worth creating a section for it?
* Is it worth listing both defending and returning champion in the trinket lists? Or does one suffice?
* Do abilities that are based on offhand damage still use 1/2 mainhand damage? Need to re-test this since the abilities are based on weapon dps instead of damage.

* Quest Epics. These have become SUCH an important part of gearing a 19 twink. But its hard to include in the guide. Including the best options is kinda annoying since most twinks are not going to get lucky with any given roll. Including all viable upgrades is going to be a stupid hard task due to the sheer number of possible upgrades. It would also bloat the guide to hide useful information. I currently just have a list of the quests in each zone for horde/ally. I'm currently leaning towards a small "Quest Epics" section which would include any notable quest epics that are either worth aiming for with rerolls or are BiS (usually verse things).
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Wanted to throw my 2¢ in the ring for some open ended questions- hope it helps.

1. We need additional testing as a bracket for weapon enchants in general. I would include both/various options until someone is able to test.

2. Definitely replace the bg crate items with their dungeon satchel alternates. I think we as a bracket should schedule “crate Sunday’s” or something where we all queue randoms for the purpose of getting our adaptable pieces. We used to do this to queue AB back in the day- just been to busy to organize something myself.

3. Keep notable glass cannon options, but keep the note that they are glass cannon. Variation in the bracket is good.

4. YES. Especially if they are comparable to current FARMABLE epics. I.e ilvl 25 gloom is fairly comparable to everything- with a perfect silver moon tunic being likely better. Imo keep items listed that are at least close to BiS as alternate options.

5. Foam is BiS across the board- unless (I may be mistaken) someone gets extremely lucky with an epic MH/OH from quests. May be worth noting this- but just listing foam (and a couple options to use while people grind for it)

6. Unsure on prot warrior.

7. YES. List both. They provide different effects, and more importantly you can equip both at the same time- which several builds have been running.

8. Unsure. Have not tested.

9. I think it is worth having a section with notable quest epics that provide a large advantage over the 2nd best option. Sooth, dastardly, those cloth robes (name eluding me), several bows/guns, and noting an epic mainhand for rogues/other melee are what you should be targeting. Not worth your time to link every scaled possible quest epic. Basically- I like the idea of “do every quest and see what you get” but if I were a new twink, a section would be nice to show like “okay you should reroll until you get at least one of these”.
 
epic bvb might be possible. It shows as upgradeable in the database and it scales when looted from lockboxes. So MAYBE it could upgrade when looted from a lockbox?
 
Yapah said:
epic bvb might be possible. It shows as upgradeable in the database and it scales when looted from lockboxes. So MAYBE it could upgrade when looted from a lockbox?
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From my understanding, it might be theoretically possible. But afaik there hasn't been any instances of the level 19 version, let alone epic. I probably won't add it to the guide unless/until one or the 19 bvb threads actually gets something.
 
Tonkks said:
9. I think it is worth having a section with notable quest epics that provide a large advantage over the 2nd best option. Sooth, dastardly, those cloth robes (name eluding me)
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I've been meaning to add a post for Horde clothies for notable quest rewards worth trying for... basically like ones that have secondary stats or something that stands out.

These are the ones I do first because they have versatility (except for the robes), and they're easy to do at the beginning of a new toon's journey, and depending on how your luck is, you can decide whether or not to keep going, or to start over and re-roll.

There are a few others with vers ratings, but they have prereqs and long chains. Lots of rewards with crit, but none with haste as far as I can tell.

Stats are for character level 19.

First, to Eversong Woods:
Fallen Apprentice's Robes -
Starts with https://www.wowhead.com/quest=8888
No secondary stats, but above average intel. Wowhead doesn't have scaling for it, but green is 10 intel/8 stam, rare upgrade is 13/10. I haven't seen an epic one yet, but I guess it would be 16/12??

Mage's will want to pick up this quest chain too on the way for a staff or off-hand with vers. Of course, it's not as good as Foamspittle, but if you luck out with an epic or even a rare it's still not bad.
https://www.wowhead.com/quest=9402

Next, it's on to Ghostlands:
After you do the introduction quests in Tranquillien, these ones become available
https://www.wowhead.com/quest=9315 for legs with vers. Epic is 8 int /13 stam + 8 vers

And this one starts a short chain which leads to Troll Handlers Gloves. Epic is 6/9 + 6 vers
https://www.wowhead.com/quest=9145

You can pick those two up at the same time in Tranquillien. After you do the first one to kill the big ugly spider, just head north a short ways to start the quest for the gloves. You may want to bring along a couple of swim speed potions to cross the lake if you don't have a sea turtle mount.

And in Hillsbrad:
This very annoying quest becomes available after doing the Hillsbrad introduction quest (on the road at the border the between Silverpine and Hillsbrad).
https://www.wowhead.com/quest=28114
Which leads to shoulders, epic is 6/9 + 8 vers

Happy hunting :)
 
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