Wtf.

[Wonderingwhy]

You do realize those posts were about 1v1s right? I mean he basically said since his class got a damage nerf low lvl pvp is fucked then went on to "explain" by listing 1v1 scenarios.

Are you doing this on purpose ? Do you truely think he said '' My class got a dmg nerf low pvp is fucked '' ?!??!?

What he said was '' Blizzard is buffing overpowered class and is nerfing underpowered class , low lvl PvP is fucked. ''


Now I will repeat it again , when he said ' low lvl PvP fucked ' I don't think he meant it as low lvl PvP is ruined due to this change, I am pretty sure he was just showing his frustration because Blizzard fucked up once again.

 

[Twistedspider]

Those were broken at all levels, not just 19

Meaning they didn't look at low level pvp and go oh fuck me they looked at 85 or the forums and saw people discussing it there

As you said yourself, they look at all levels and for the most part make sure everything is balanced for endgame. (blizz's pride and joy apparently...)

I do not think neither of those change are game breaking however I can see the irony in those change and I find it a bit stupid that it was applied to low lvl.

Most abilities are programmed to scale automatically with level and stats. Blizz doesn't (and shouldn't have to) program each ability for each level so that it's balanced with everything else in the game. Some abilities might be over or under-powered at a particular level, but at max level these abilities tend to even out. (they then try to fix the abilities that are still then over-powered).

Zimt while I see your point I think your issue is different then what this thread is about. No one is saying warriors are great or op just that they are very viable and useful to any team. You seem more cross about the play style warriors have been forced into but that is a different matter entirely.

I have to agree here. A few classes were forced into different play styles. But people adjust thats how it works. Don't complain that you don't like a class anymore because it's different than before. I've been down this road myself but I also realize that blizz simply does not care whether you like your class or not. They aren't going to change things back.

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warriors are so good

You're using a pretty one-sided looking game to show that warriors don't do well?

It's not like the only thing they did was buff them. They'ved changed abilities and especially after 5.0.4. things got changed dramatically

And things will still keep changing for the next little while as we progress into MoP and we see how things work at 90. This happens every expansion/ major change...

I've seen balance druids solo healers before. If you time your burst correctly
but lets say I'm wrong and there no chance they can solo a healer, they do phenomenal damage and it's spread out (moonfire/sunfire each target etc) Which means a healer is going to have a hard time keeping everyone alive

If you do this in any meaningful game, you're team will have little to no ability to cc beacuse of all the dots. With the way damage and healing is at the current time, well timed cc and stuns/kicks are important if you want to score a kill. But this has been talked about in this thread and multiple others so people can go read about it elsewhere.

Warriors are cool and all on a premade, but When I'm solo or duo-queing I get farmed @GY by 4-8 Druids, mostly balance

You take a chance solo-queuing. There are other classes that are in this situation. Again it also depends on your team. If your healers are terrible/ non-existent and your dps and cc isn't great you're gonna get farmed/3-capped.

YOU and SOME OTHERS , changed the subject of the thread by jumping on the bangwaggon instead of simply recognizing that blizzard messed up once again.

Yes blizzard hasn't provided a balanced situation for 19s. This is the same kind of complaining that was against hunters in Cata.

Welcome to twinking.

In summation: basically this^

Also, because of how long it took to I realize I may have missed some points that have been recently added, don't get upset I'll edit in stuff if someone makes another valid point.

Oh and also before you guys look at my sig and say "look guys this guy is plays overpowered classes cause that's what's in his sig." You're right I do play some classes that would be considered over-powered. Deal with it. Other people do as well. I've also played 19s on almost every class dating back to BC.

Edit- I'm also aware that all of my quotes are fucked up. everything I quoted was said in this thread. To anyone who wants to post a reply you should've read the entire conversation so you would've seen these thing said so problem solved.

 

[augiddin]

Except his basis for what is overpowered and what is underpowered is based off of 1v1s....

 

[Wonderingwhy]

Except his basis for what is overpowered and what is underpowered is based off of 1v1s....

And what does that have to do with his point ? Which I will say again : overpowered druid got buffed , Average if not underpowered warrior got nerfed

Unless you think Druid are not overpowered and that warrior are overpowered I don't see what's the problem ?

Druid are overpowered and they got buff ------ You should agree that it is silly if you agree that they are overpowered
Warrior are underpowered and they got nerf ---- You should agree that it is sily if you agree they are underpowered
Warrior are average and they got nerf --- You should agree that it is silly if you agree they are average specially after they buffed druid
Warrior are overpowered and they got nerf --- Then I guess if you feel this way about warrior I will have to agree with you however that would be weird because you said this before

. No one is saying warriors are great or op

Most abilities are programmed to scale automatically with level and stats. Blizz doesn't (and shouldn't have to) program each ability for each level so that it's balanced with everything else in the game. Some abilities might be over or under-powered at a particular level, but at max level these abilities tend to even out. (they then try to fix the abilities that are still then over-powered).

There a difference between programming each ability for each lvl and simply changing the numbers for lvl 85+ only which they have done several time in the past.

As I said multiple time already I don't think it's game breaking but it doesn't change anything about the fact that Blizzard messed up. Now if you guys want to keep arguing about how big the mess up is I will let you do this alone. I've already stated my opinion before : '' Not game breaking but still stupid and ironic ''

 

[augiddin]

What you aren't getting is that if warrior damage was on par with balance druids they would be insanely op with MS, I'm saying I think warriors are fine even with nerf. What part of this aren't you getting?

 

[Wonderingwhy]

What you aren't getting is that if warrior damage was on par with balance druids they would be insanely op with MS,

wait wait wait

'' if warrior dmg was on par with balance druid '.' Where the hell is that coming from ?

But here is where it will become interesting,

you either say

A: warrior dmg was on par with balance druid prenerf which would make them OP . However you said before that they weren't OP.

OR

B: What you said makes no sense in the conversation.

 

[augiddin]

what i'm saying is the important aspect of warriors isn't their slam/MS damage therefore the nerf is pretty inconsequential.

 

[Wonderingwhy]

what i'm saying is the important aspect of warriors isn't their slam/MS damage therefore the nerf is pretty inconsequential.

Well gratz , as I said too I don't think it's game breaking

However that doesn't change anything about the OP's post. Blizzard messed up, it might not be a game breaking mess up. But still a mess up. And I don't think there is anything wrong with the OP's showing his frustration about Blizzard buffing an overpowered class and nerfing an average class.

 

[augiddin]

And that was what I was trying to point out, This is simply a rage thread their is really nothing constructive in his post.

 

[Dorigon]

Rage threads, lol.

 

[Wonderingwhy]

And that was what I was trying to point out, This is simply a rage thread their is really nothing constructive in his post.

So you go out on every thread that aren't constructive to bump it and make it last even longer instead of just letting the thread die ?

also

I mean he basically said since his class got a damage nerf low lvl pvp is fucked

I have a feeling what you were trying to point out at first was this. Which is really not what he said as I've said several time.


edit - also rage thread ? c'mon he barely quoted the patch note and said blizz fucked up

 

[Wonderingwhy]

Lets cheer this thread up a bit

we so excited - change 2 words in the song and it becomes perfect for MoP





Yeah, Ah-Ah-Ah-Ah-Ah-Ark)
Oo-ooh-ooh, hoo yeah, yeah
Yeah, yeah
Yeah-ah-ah
Yeah-ah-ah
Yeah-ah-ah
Yeah-ah-ah
Yeah, yeah, yeah

Seven a.m., waking up in the morning
Gotta be fresh, gotta go downstairs
Gotta have my bowl, gotta have cereal
Seein' everything, the time is goin'
Tickin' on and on, everybody's rushin'
Gotta get down to the bus stop
Gotta catch my bus, I see my friends (My friends)

Kickin' in the front seat
Sittin' in the back seat
Gotta make my mind up
Which seat can I take?

It's Tuesday
Gotta get down on Tuesday
Everybody's lookin' forward to Mist of Pandaria, Mist of Padanria
Tuesday,Tuesday
Gettin' down on Tuesday
Everybody's lookin' forward to Mist of Pandaria

Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to Mist of Pandaria,

we're drivin' on the highway
Cruisin' so fast, I want time to fly
Fun, fun, think about fun
You know what it is
I got this, you got this
My friend is by my right, ay
I got this, you got this
Now you know it

Kickin' in the front seat
Sittin' in the back seat
Gotta make my mind up
Which seat can I take?

It's Tuesday
Gotta get down on tuesday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the Mist of Pandaria,Mist of Pandaria
Tuesday
Gettin' down on Tuesday
Everybody's lookin' forward to Mist of Pandaria,

Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to Mist of Pandaria,

Yesterday was Monday, Monday
Today i-is Tuesday, Tuesday (Partyin')
We-we-we so excited
We so excited
We gonna have a ball today

Tomorrow is Wednesday
And Thursday comes after ... wards
I don't want Mist of Pandaria to end


R-B, Rebecca Black
So chillin' in the front seat (In the front seat)
In the back seat (In the back seat)
I'm drivin', cruisin' (Yeah, yeah)
Fast lanes, switchin' lanes
Wit' a car up on my side (Woo!)
(C'mon) Passin' by is a school bus in front of me
Makes tick tock, tick tock, wanna scream
Check my time, it's Friday, it's a weekend
We gonna have fun, c'mon, c'mon, y'all

It's Tuesday, tuesday
Gotta get down on tuesday
Everybody's lookin' forward to Mist of Pandaria, Mist of Pandaria
Tuesday , Tuesday
Gettin' down on Tuesday
Everybody's lookin' forward to Mist of Pandaria,

Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to Mist of Pandaria,

It's Tuesday, Tuesday
Gotta get down on Tuesday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the Mist of Pandaria, Mist of Pandaria
Tuesday, Tuesday
Gettin' down on Tuesday
Everybody's lookin' forward to Mist of Pandaria

Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to Mist of Pandaria

Friday - Rebecca Black - Official Music Video - YouTube

 

[Solipsist]

Lets cheer this thread up a bit

we so excited - change 2 words in the song and it becomes perfect for MoP





Yeah, Ah-Ah-Ah-Ah-Ah-Ark)
Oo-ooh-ooh, hoo yeah, yeah
Yeah, yeah
Yeah-ah-ah
Yeah-ah-ah
Yeah-ah-ah
Yeah-ah-ah
Yeah, yeah, yeah

Seven a.m., waking up in the morning
Gotta be fresh, gotta go downstairs
Gotta have my bowl, gotta have cereal
Seein' everything, the time is goin'
Tickin' on and on, everybody's rushin'
Gotta get down to the bus stop
Gotta catch my bus, I see my friends (My friends)

Kickin' in the front seat
Sittin' in the back seat
Gotta make my mind up
Which seat can I take?

It's Tuesday
Gotta get down on Tuesday
Everybody's lookin' forward to Mist of Pandaria, Mist of Padanria
Tuesday,Tuesday
Gettin' down on Tuesday
Everybody's lookin' forward to Mist of Pandaria

Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to Mist of Pandaria,

we're drivin' on the highway
Cruisin' so fast, I want time to fly
Fun, fun, think about fun
You know what it is
I got this, you got this
My friend is by my right, ay
I got this, you got this
Now you know it

Kickin' in the front seat
Sittin' in the back seat
Gotta make my mind up
Which seat can I take?

It's Tuesday
Gotta get down on tuesday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the Mist of Pandaria,Mist of Pandaria
Tuesday
Gettin' down on Tuesday
Everybody's lookin' forward to Mist of Pandaria,

Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to Mist of Pandaria,

Yesterday was Monday, Monday
Today i-is Tuesday, Tuesday (Partyin')
We-we-we so excited
We so excited
We gonna have a ball today

Tomorrow is Wednesday
And Thursday comes after ... wards
I don't want Mist of Pandaria to end


R-B, Rebecca Black
So chillin' in the front seat (In the front seat)
In the back seat (In the back seat)
I'm drivin', cruisin' (Yeah, yeah)
Fast lanes, switchin' lanes
Wit' a car up on my side (Woo!)
(C'mon) Passin' by is a school bus in front of me
Makes tick tock, tick tock, wanna scream
Check my time, it's Friday, it's a weekend
We gonna have fun, c'mon, c'mon, y'all

It's Tuesday, tuesday
Gotta get down on tuesday
Everybody's lookin' forward to Mist of Pandaria, Mist of Pandaria
Tuesday , Tuesday
Gettin' down on Tuesday
Everybody's lookin' forward to Mist of Pandaria,

Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to Mist of Pandaria,

It's Tuesday, Tuesday
Gotta get down on Tuesday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the Mist of Pandaria, Mist of Pandaria
Tuesday, Tuesday
Gettin' down on Tuesday
Everybody's lookin' forward to Mist of Pandaria

Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to Mist of Pandaria

Friday - Rebecca Black - Official Music Video - YouTube

Yea I can't bothered saying it, so i'll just let this guy do it.

Doctor Who: Well... - YouTube

 

[Schwinke]

lol

 

[Solid]

Okay

 

[OrikEU]

warriors hit so hard, reduce healing which is more broken than the damage, have great ToT and can interupt multiple times with charges.. they can effectively interrupt more than a rogue can at 19 now, and put out more damage AND reduce healing.. warriors are GOOD...

I don't know what class you're playing but if you're having difficulty dealing with warriors, then you're bad.
If say a warrior decides to interrupt twice with charge then he is outputting 0 damage.
You do realise charge has a minimum range...

 

[saxxon]

I don't know what class you're playing but if you're having difficulty dealing with warriors, then you're bad.
If say a warrior decides to interrupt twice with charge then he is outputting 0 damage.
You do realise charge has a minimum range...

iv had no troubles with warriors, im just saying that they have great ToT, and are great when backed with healers... like any class...

they have the ability to interupt and stay on target.. if they are able to get a game changing interupt wouldnt that be more relevant than any damage put out? stopping a heal is effectively doing 500-1k damage since your preventing them from getting topped up. i mean if your opening on an FC with zero support and focus charging then yea ur gunna put out nothing but if ur using it EFFECTIVELY with support from other classes then ur gunna be very useful.

focus charge is easier than hitting a focus kick (unless targets are dumb and ontop of ur current target, which is smart because ur preventing getting charged interupted, but dumb if rogues around because ur gunna get focused kicked, thus the game has more variables for healers/FCs positioning)

 

[Udiesoon]

This notion of "OP" is thrown around way too much. Balance druids, imo, are in no way "OP", or "overpowered", seeing as they have hard casted dps that can be interrupted or los'd, and their damage is not game breaking. Are they a strong class? Clearly. But if I see a balance druid in WSG on one of my healers my first thought is not "OH SHIT IMA GONNA DIE". A cata survival hunter was an OP class.

Warriors are in a good place relative to other classes. Does this damage nerf suck? Yes. Would I say it is the end of warriors as we know it? Of course not. Warriors are a decent class, on par with rogues, for what they lack in a rogue's damage they make up for with great ToT, and remember, a warrior only has to bring its opponent to 20% hp before those 2k executes come around.

 

[Dagamela]

It blows my mind how disc priests can always fly under the radar and nobody cries about them being op

 

[Niini]

It blows my mind how disc priests can always fly under the radar and nobody cries about them being op

Disc priests have been established as OP for a while now lol