Worst class at 19?

[Grabco]

maybe some of you are still living in the past, but what mages used to be able to do, they can not anymore since they took away leg kits.



A good reason why I believe mages are now the worst class because they have to either sacrifice a good deal of HP for any semblance of DPS or visa versa.



All things being =, a mages ability to kite/DPS their opponent was severally diminished when leg kits were nerfed.



If timed right a melee DPS can trinket a frost nova and DPS a mage down before next frost nova is up. As I said b4.. all things being =, a melee shouldn't allow a mage to sheep him to stop the burst damage.



As long as 19 mages have to stand and cast 2+ sec. frost/fire bolts for DPS they will only be used as utility. Not even that since most defense are kiting/travel form ones.



Along with rogues who I think are the 2nd worst class, they have been left alone in the dust while other classes who have received buffs over the past several patches are more viable and can be utilized in more ways than these two.

you act like people that play mages care about killing their opponents. I seriously doubt you have played a frost mage at 19. I could care less if I kill someone and I also don't care if 2-3 people focus me and kill me, Mages take a completely different mindset to play in this bracket. Their goal is to CC and they are arguably the best class at this and a desireable premade class to have. Mages are stacking so much stamina now it is rediculous, a finished mage should be rolling with about 1700hp and 1300 mana which is more than enough mana for premades.

 

[Mazurati]

you act like people that play mages care about killing their opponents. I seriously doubt you have played a frost mage at 19. I could care less if I kill someone and I also don't care if 2-3 people focus me and kill me, Mages take a completely different mindset to play in this bracket. Their goal is to CC and they are arguably the best class at this and a desireable premade class to have. Mages are stacking so much stamina now it is rediculous, a finished mage should be rolling with about 1700hp and 1300 mana which is more than enough mana for premades.

Pls share with me then how I can get 1700 hp.. here is my current armory



[char=Medivh]Mazster[/char]



according to you i'm missing about 300 hp



edit: of stamina gear from Satchel of Helpful Goods + sacrificing a trinket for an extra AGM could get me +30 more stamina, but subtract the 8 stamina from my current Cloak and Gloves that only gives and extra 12 stamina and again.. that's sacrificing a trinket

 

[Ertai]

Pls share with me then how I can get 1700 hp.. here is my current armory



[char=Medivh]Mazster[/char]



according to you i'm missing about 300 hp

Cloak of Stamina, Bloody Apron, Double-Stitched Shoulders, Belt of Stamina, 4/4 gloves, 5/5 pants, Blood Ring. That's 220 extra health. Grab is Human so he was probably thinking double AGM as well which would put you at 1732.

 

[Mazurati]

Cloak of Stamina, Bloody Apron, Double-Stitched Shoulders, Belt of Stamina, 4/4 gloves, 5/5 pants, Blood Ring. That's 220 extra health. Grab is Human so he was probably thinking double AGM as well which would put you at 1732.

That's fine and dandy.. but it still leaves me to the point i was trying to make.

Along with rogues who I think are the 2nd worst class, they have been left alone in the dust while other classes who have received buffs over the past several patches are more viable and can be utilized in more ways than these two.

It's a little disturbing how it seems he's raging and assuming I've never played the class. Except for Paladins, I've played every 19 class and no other class has become more gimp than Rogues and Mages.



That's my opinion and I don't expect anyone to agree with it. Just to know that the points I make are valid.

 

[Grabco]

Cloak of Stamina, Bloody Apron, Double-Stitched Shoulders, Belt of Stamina, 4/4 gloves, 5/5 pants, Blood Ring. That's 220 extra health. Grab is Human so he was probably thinking double AGM as well which would put you at 1732.

[item]Pious Legwraps[/item]

[item]Seal of Sylvanas[/item]

Boots +6 stam

also thinking about mining +7stam because bombs shares a DR with polymorph

and yes I am thinking about double AGM.



Stam CC mage with a little int here and there to push 1300 mana is what I'm shooting for. probably going to stick with lavish ring and seal of sylvannas as rings with a hit pot.

I've played every 19 class and no other class has become more gimp than Rogues and Mages.



That's my opinion and I don't expect anyone to agree with it. Just to know that the points I make are valid.

You are suggesting that Mages are NOT the best CC class in the 19 bracket, I find that to not be valid. I think we can all agree that rogues are not the best damage class and are truly gimped

 

[Mazurati]

You are suggesting that Mages are NOT the best CC class in the 19 bracket, I find that to not be valid. I think we can all agree that rogues are not the best damage class and are truly gimped

I never said Mages are NOT the best CC class.



My point is, that's ALL there good for now.

 

[Juicy]

Rogues are only gimp because of our poor time on target. We aren't completely useless on O as long as we have some CC with us.



Mid, we're a joke. Even average skilled rogues are easy to kill on my level 10 hunter twink. But that's what stealth is for.



Well played rogues can still be pretty beasty.

 

[Mazurati]

Rogues are only gimp because of our poor time on target. We aren't completely useless on O as long as we have some CC with us.



Mid, we're a joke. Even average skilled rogues are easy to kill on my level 10 hunter twink. But that's what stealth is for.



Well played rogues can still be pretty beasty.

exactly.. Rogues need support now.

 

[Grabco]

I never said Mages are NOT the best CC class.



My point is, that's ALL there good for now.

Lets just leave it that Rogues and Pallies are the worst WSG class atm in the 19 bracket.

 

[Jowgen]

Warlock

 

[Kore nametooshort]

Cloak of Stamina, Bloody Apron, Double-Stitched Shoulders, Belt of Stamina, 4/4 gloves, Pious legwraps, Blood Ring. That's 250 extra health. Grab is Human so he was probably thinking double AGM as well which would put you at 1732.

Found you another 30 hp

 

[Eliot]

Lets just leave it that Rogues and Pallies are the worst WSG class atm in the 19 bracket.

Lol!



There is no way to determine which class is worst and best. How is that not obvious. Each class plays a different roll, and can be a key player in different situations. I suppose we could determine the worst class by survivablity. If this was the case the worst would be rogue followed by mage/warlock. Paladins can have crazy survivablity if played correctly.

 

[Ertai]

Found you another 30 hp

He's Horde.

 

[Grabco]

He's Horde.

shouldn't matter

 

[Mazurati]

shouldn't matter

sure.. if i can shell out $$ for faction change just to get the Pious legs. then yea.. it doesn't matter

 

[Rayu]

Shamans are clearly underpowered, so are druids. They should be given a 40% speed hack and immunity to snare effects and polymorphs. Oh wait...



More serious - I think rogues and warriors have gotten behind the other classes with the changes over the past months, though paladins are a close third. That doesn't make them the worst class though, but all other classes got improvements such as forms for shamans/druids and decreased mana costs for pretty much every other class.



Rogues, warriors and paladins still have certain tasks in BGs that no other class can fulfill, and they definitely aren't so far behind they can't win any duel.

 

[encorebroz]

wars being tied with rogues as the worst class? lol

 

[Rayu]

wars being tied with rogues as the worst class? lol

Not what I said. Read again I think you might agree.

 

[Conrose]

Thing is, even though a Mage can only CC at this bracket... they are extraordinarily good at it with Druids being the only class that's resilient to them.



A rogue has both CC and Damage Dealing, but at this bracket, lack of Vanish, Preparation, Poisons (especially Crippling), Blind, CloS, and even Imp Sprint leaves their ability to perform either of these duties seeming rather lack luster in this bracket since the introduction of various mobility abilities for several classes. You can't even get Endurance at this low bracket... in order to really squeeze much from their class, a rogue will need to coordinate with a snare class quite a bit. Sap a target you can, let the Warrior you are running with charge/run up to it and apply a Hamstring and burn the target down together. If sap isn't available, Gouge.



A healthy supply of Magic Powder from Westfall couldn't hurt either, hehe. Something I wanted to experiment with was running Melee-Ranged Burst Hunter in close coordination with a DPS Rogue... catching up to a target and keeping snares applied wouldn't be any problem under a majority of circumstances... but really any Hunter with a Snare/Root/Stun type pet should be adequate. Serve as a deadly escort for a CC Mage or a Druid to help with Time on Target problems. Without coordination, about the best thing you can do is try to shut the healers up with Sap, Gouge and Kicks... Arcane Torrent if you are Belf.

 

[Mazurati]

some of you make it seem like you can just sap anyone.