EU+US Why Twinking has become better in Legion. Asking about the attitude problem.

Walrusbreath said:
LITERALLY?? Wow really...you LITERALLY just posted two pix?! :eek: As opposed to...you just posted two pix? Does using "literally" lend any more credence to your goofy opinion or are you just another kewl kid bandwagon jumper?

Your pix don't mean shit TBH.

Are you actually trucking stupid or just stuck with what you've been led to believe? Did you not comprehend what I said? The numbers shown on char stats don't work in the way you think they do...because of Blizzes vague, shitty template system. Anyone can easily test it themselves and I suggest you do so.

Gear matters. It matters whether you're a low-lvl twink or 110. It always has in Legion despite the PR bullshit we've heard from Blizz.
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I feel no difference (ofc, there is no difference) between using fel gear and not using fel gear, tooltip says there's no difference and based on 4 games with recount/dmg meter my spells do the exact same average dmg. BUUUT I guess all those things are just wrong, and your conspiracy against blizzard's template system will prevail!!!
 
Stizzy said:
twinking has NEVER been about skill . everyones first twink was made to 'stomp noobs,' not for some gimped imaginary compettive scene. there are many viable games out there if you want a competetive enviroment to show your skill . twinking is not one of them . people like to bs like there is some insane next level positioning involved lmfao. twinks are easy and if you take them seriously in a competetive way you are bad
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No. We know what YOUR motivation was and it clearly doesn't point to someone who craves motivation but most of us decided to get off the hamster wheel in a game all about gear by playing in a bracket where bis gear was a one time deal.
 
Armor type matters and gear matters at certain cutoffs in addition to wand. Far less than before yes but who cares. WoD twinks largely had close to equal gear. The customization was great sure but outside of surv being broken the bracket is just fine.
 
Vianco said:
I feel no difference (ofc, there is no difference) between using fel gear and not using fel gear, tooltip says there's no difference and based on 4 games with recount/dmg meter my spells do the exact same average dmg. BUUUT I guess all those things are just wrong, and your conspiracy against blizzard's template system will prevail!!!
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The difference between Fel gear and the next best (BiS BG drops) is as not much because the ilvl is closer, but the difference from top gear to minimum ilvl or near that is a lot more. That's the part people miss when they buy the horseshit from Blizz that "gear doesn't matter".
 
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MYT said:
No. We know what YOUR motivation was and it clearly doesn't point to someone who craves motivation but most of us decided to get off the hamster wheel in a game all about gear by playing in a bracket where bis gear was a one time deal.
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LMFAO did you just say that endgame is the equivalent of a hamster wheel, and then imply that level 19 twinking is something more complex ? haha gtfo
 
Endgame is indeed a hamster wheel and always has been. I said nothing about 19 being more complex. I said you could bis relatively quickly and then focus on pvp instead of getting on a hamster wheel.
Sit on the wheel all you want, as apparently you decided to twink to outgear levelers which most did not. I've also found that in almost all cases people post on a twink forum about how little skill twinking takes it's because they suck at it.
 
Walrusbreath said:
Swap it out with normal heirlooms or champ box greens & blues and see if it doesn't.
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I did this and showed you.

Walrusbreath said:
The difference between Fel gear and the next best (BiS BG drops) is as not much because the ilvl is closer, but the difference from top gear to minimum ilvl or near that is a lot more. That's the part people miss when they buy the horseshit from Blizz that "gear doesn't matter".
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Why would any twink equip minimum ilvl gear? We were discussing the impact on lacking fel gear, not using ilvl1 gear vs real gear.

On top of that, check out the stat difference from this picture and the previous one i uploaded. The stat difference is so little, but I guess you'll try to convince me that the shown stats are not correct

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MYT said:
Endgame is indeed a hamster wheel and always has been. I said nothing about 19 being more complex. I said you could bis relatively quickly and then focus on pvp instead of getting on a hamster wheel.
Sit on the wheel all you want, as apparently you decided to twink to outgear levelers which most did not. I've also found that in almost all cases people post on a twink forum about how little skill twinking takes it's because they suck at it.
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I really fail to understand how pressing 3 keys can be put in the same sentence alongside skill, but i suppose i suck according to your logic.


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Some people in this thread are struggling with some pretty simple concepts. Most people twinking played endgame PVP, and found it to be ... a shitty, repetitive gear grind. PVP and PVE both, actually. I personally jumped off the hamster wheel in about 2010.

I geared my 29s, and then proceeded to PVP. No one ever claimed it was "harder" than endgame, just that it was competitive PVP between reasonably equally geared players. During the years in which everyone ponied up and server transferred to Reckoning to get games - there was months of some of the most competitive WSG I've played in. It was all twink vs twink, and it was a ton of fun. The fact that some never got over the thrill of one-shotting under-geared levellers is a bit sad, but not the reason the majority of the community played for years with separate queues.

Also get off your own dicks about endgame - World of Warcraft isn't that difficult of a video game.
 
Fortunately there isn't a bracket where you only have 3 keys to press. It's the fact that you only press three of them that makes it obsolete. Even at 19 there's classes will well over 10 abilities, not to mention that it's less about the number of abilities and more about timing, positioning, objective play and awareness. Players that talk about 3/4 keys requiring no skill while posting on twink forums almost exclusively suck at those things or even deny they are a factor.
 
Vianco said:
I did this and showed you.


Why would any twink equip minimum ilvl gear? We were discussing the impact on lacking fel gear, not using ilvl1 gear vs real gear.
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Jesus christ, were you born that dense?

One would equip low-lvl gear to test dps/hps output against high-lvl BiS/Fel gear to show that your belief in Blizzard's lie that "gear doesn't matter" is indeed bullshit. You don't need to have gear as low as 'lvl 1'. A 20 with ilvl 20 gear vs. ilvl 35-37+, or any toon geared near its char lvl vs. its BiS/Fel gear.
 
Walrusbreath said:
Jesus christ, were you born that dense?

One would equip low-lvl gear to test dps/hps output against high-lvl BiS/Fel gear to show that your belief in Blizzard's lie that "gear doesn't matter" is indeed bullshit. You don't need to have gear as low as 'lvl 1'. A 20 with ilvl 20 gear vs. ilvl 35-37+, or any toon geared near its char lvl vs. its BiS/Fel gear.
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Cmon now, you didn't even read what he wrote. He already said that he tested it with recount and the dmgs were same. And from my personal experience the stats shown are the stats you get and they matter very little. If you are not a wand user and have proper armor type in every slot the ilevels make minimal difference, even if they were all ilevel 1.
 
Walrusbreath said:
Jesus christ, were you born that dense?

One would equip low-lvl gear to test dps/hps output against high-lvl BiS/Fel gear to show that your belief in Blizzard's lie that "gear doesn't matter" is indeed bullshit. You don't need to have gear as low as 'lvl 1'. A 20 with ilvl 20 gear vs. ilvl 35-37+, or any toon geared near its char lvl vs. its BiS/Fel gear.
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What @Wildur said.
Also why shouldn't you be the one providing evidence to back up your postulate?
 
It's a fact you can get from 0% to 1-2% extra on non-wand users and from 6% to 8% on wand users with ilvl. That's assuming everyone uses best armor type and wand already. 1-2% extra may not be a lot but it matters. It's incorrect to say gear doesn't matter but it certainly doesn't matter a ton unless you mess up on armor type and wand.
 
Stizzy said:
twinking has NEVER been about skill . everyones first twink was made to 'stomp noobs,' not for some gimped imaginary compettive scene. there are many viable games out there if you want a competetive enviroment to show your skill . twinking is not one of them . people like to bs like there is some insane next level positioning involved lmfao. twinks are easy and if you take them seriously in a competetive way you are bad
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He sees the light!!

 
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