What's your modified BG win ratio?

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looks like i am a pretty horrible druid at 70, my modified win ratio is -5%, which is negative. i am sad. :(

my 80 rogue does okay with a solid 7%.

my 24 rogue rocks an impressive 18.75%, i am pleasantly surprised.

Another p2p feeling good about himself as to the point of posting the word skill and win ratio- WOW

Playing a 24 rogue cause he sucks at higher brackets but in here with us f2p sheep he wants to talk about skill ?

What nonsence is mentioned in your thread combined with delusion about win ratio.

Tell me how many BG's have been won because you were in them ??....really ?........so they would lose otherwise ?

What lack of common sence by not concidering ''the many idiots in your pug that cause your team to lose,regardless of your contribution''

You want to talk about skill and some stats?.....................check out the flag stats of some real rogues like Nightykiller,Mysterios,Aenae.

Tell you what ,roll a f2p rogue and then come to the lvl of stats that these rogues have and then we'll talk about skill and win/lose ratio and
how much you contribute in a BG.
 
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You want to talk about skill and some stats?.....................check out the flag stats of some real rogues like Nightykiller,Mysterios,Aenae.

i played most of my 20~24 BG's when alliance dominated(about 5~6 months ago), with 1.9 flag returns per wsg, i kinda have to work hard more than half of the time for our side to win.

1.90 on my 80 rogue.

so the consistency is there.
 
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More dick waving nonsense.

It will never be consistent because your own personal skill level isn't based on games that other kids make you lose. Don't sell yourself short. Especially in games in this bracket where winning and losing is determined by team class composition and who can press their 5 buttons a little bit faster and a little bit harder than everyone else.

Dick. Waving. Nonsense.

ex. 1
"I feel my pricks inadequate, I better make a topic on twink info."

ex. 2
"What? 'x' has a bigger dick? Better post a topic on twink info."
 
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Take a stat course.
-5% for your druid. (74% wsg, 79% AB)

1% for your paladin. (79% wsg, 78% AB)

MBWR says you afk out of losing games/only sync queue with friends/only play at hours when your faction dominates.

I was insulting your statistical skills because the basic assumptions were flawed.


1. Win ratios reflect a general adherence of a collective body of individuals to complete a task. One may sway the tide a decent amount, but by no means can this data alone be a predictor of "skill" its merely a small sample size of the collective factions win/lose ratio. Random queueing is random.

2. The idea of WSG being a better predictor of skill than AB is also nonsense. Sure, per a person you have a greater percentage of the combat quota, but the intrinsic properties and objectives of each game style lend themselves to individuals in a different manner (let alone the 24s which skew the percentage from the combat quota, thus making WSG less ideal using your logic). I personally find myself more influential in AB due to the defensive strategies I engage in, plus there is the potential for long 1v1, 1v2 situations which test ones knowledge of counters and play ability which still can not be reflected from a win ratio, let alone any of WoW's recorded statistics.

3. Subtraction. Really? Do I have to elaborate on single dimensional analysis having a much larger margin of error than a two or three dimensional (as in squared means or cubed averaged medians.. etc) analysis. Anyway, even if those ratios were a perfect reflection of skill than the error by chance would call into question anything within roughly 1/20-3/20+ error margin, depending on parameters.

4. Where are my degrees of freedom? Heard of a Chi Square?

5. Statistics is called the Science of Large Numbers for a reason. Most individuals have less than 100 ABs played which is a rather small number. Large is usually considered thousands which would even place most of our WSGs out of projectional view.


I could hit a few more points, but sadly your statistical approach is so limited that I can only comment on what little there is. Not to put your work into the ground, but do not simply ignore other's ideas. If you don't know anything about statistics and others are saying your equation is flawed, well maybe you should look into it instead of blindly saying we are all wrong and you are right because you can look at made-up analyses and come to conclusions.

Your conclusions regarding my statistics. I'll leave out the actual numbers even though with a sub 5% difference around the mean the small fluctuation could be due to chance.

I only afk out of games with many 24s before scoring can be done; otherwise, I am in it for the long-haul.
I only queue synced with Açai since I only log onto visit friends nowadays. My druid is almost entirely solo queued.
I play when I can... peak times for faction dominance? Ofc I wait until 3 am to queue, smh.

You and everyone else should refrain from trying to quantify skill through make-shift equations from non-correlating data. There is no way through WoW's statistics to construct an accurate skill determining analysis. Just play the game. People that you see do amazing things are good. People that don't, are not.
 
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I will look at the technical stuff when i have time. i admit that this "ratio" can be modified and improved.

but it's funny how you wrote all that up without feeling guilty for lying:

I only afk out of games with many 24s before scoring can be done; otherwise, I am in it for the long-haul....My druid is almost entirely solo queued.

let's see, your druid, 6,744 WSG honor kills after 109 WSG games, that is 62 HK per WSG.

now, let's look at a 24 rogue killing machine, who rarely afk out:

7061 WSG honor kills after 168 WSG games, that's 42 HK per WSG.

so either your F2P solo-queuing druid is a BAMF that helps your team kill 20 more players every single wsg than a 24 rogue, or you just lied about rarely afk'ing out of your ass (i know you don't farm GY often)

in fact, when i look at most twinks who don't afk out or farm GY, their HK per WSG ratio is somewhere around 35~45. for example, i just looked at KainUFC's lock who posted on this page, 14939 WSG honor kills after 356 WSG games, that is also 42 HK per WSG. if you don't believe me, just check out some twinks stats page youself. you really don't need to though, because you know perfectly well how often you yourself afk out of (losing) WSG games.
 
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You're missing the lurking variable of Kainufc premading, while that druid is pugging. Pugs tend to last longer, which leads to significantly more hks, assuming that neither of them are farming.

i just took the first druid i found in the pvp achievement thread,

324957 WSG kills after 7830 WSG games, that is 42 HK per WSG.

F2P paladin who i often run into and never afk out:

35386 WSG kills after 898 WSG games, that is 39 HK per WSG.
 
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I took the first paladin I found,

162,463 WSG kills after 1748 WSG games, that is 93 HK per WSG.

you must be dense because duo is KNOWN for gy farming.

i mean, why didn't you look at your OWN mage: 28095 WSG kills after 640 WSG's, that is 44 HK per WSG. well within my observed 35~45 range.

You also need to factor in that pugging Horde in cata would end up with significantly fewer HKs/game than pugging Ally.

let's see, your horde mage has 44. but your ally shaman has 6461 WSG kills after 168 WSG's, that's 38 HK per WSG.

and your point was?
 
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How did this go from a thread saying wsg win ratio- ab win ratio= your skill to a thread about avg # of hks per bg?

Glance all your numbers are 100% situational and ratios doesn't determine anyones skill. You're saying those cata huntard noobs have more skill then the AP pug queuing ppl just cause they win more for being on ally?
 
How did this go from a thread saying wsg win ratio- ab win ratio= your skill to a thread about avg # of hks per bg?

before i look into how to improve my formula, i need to teach those two-faced lying hypocrites (like that 62-HK-per-WSG druid who "doesn't afk out of losing games") a lesson.
 
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Uh, these HKs per WSG in response to Açai don't even remotely consider the fact that someone may get more or less HKs in AB or in some other situation than someone else. It also doesn't take into consideration the generally higher number of kills per BG in cata vs. MoP

If I had 1 million HKs and only played 1 WSG, by your logic I would have 1 million HKs per WSG.




TL;DR

Using BIG LETTERS and BRIGHT COLORS does not make something more statistically sound.
 
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If I had 1 million HKs and only played 1 WSG, by your logic I would have 1 million HKs per WSG.

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look, there is a stat called "Warsong Gulch Honorable Kills"

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I'm confused by the HK thingamabob now. I afk... a lot. I know numerous TI users who could/would readily vouch for that (not necessarily a good thing!).

13,839 WSG HKs after 306 games is 45 HK per WSG.

What I'm getting from this thread is that I need to queue up with Duo and co... Will do!
 
i just took the first druid i found in the pvp achievement thread,

324957 WSG kills after 7830 WSG games, that is 42 HK per WSG.

F2P paladin who i often run into and never afk out:

35386 WSG kills after 898 WSG games, that is 39 HK per WSG.
The druid is horde, who tend to lose pugs, and was also a well known bot. The pally has won 392 of 898 wsg, which implies he is either terrible and drags his team down, or, most likely, he is a bot that drags his team down. For the love of god, please stop changing the subject to things that you seem to understand less then what you made the thread about. Look at Duo, he has 90 something hks per wsg, by your logic he would need to afk out of nearly every wsg he joins, but he doesn't.

before i look into how to improve my formula, i need to teach those two-faced lying hypocrites (like that 62-HK-per-WSG druid who "doesn't afk out of losing games") a lesson.

Knowing what they are talking about does not make someone a two faced lying hypocrite. Also calling someone a two faced hypocrite is redundant.

What you need to realize about your study is that statistics are. more often then not, misleading. Your math is sound, but unfortunately statistics is not about math, its about logic. Your logic is not sound.
 
dude, there is a stat called "Warsong Gulch Honorable Kills"

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Touché

Still, these statistics are nearly meaningless as they can't explain away every situation. Have you ever heard the phrase correlation does not imply causation?

At least I recognize my mistake - I forgot that was on the statistics page... You're not even considering the possibly that your logic is flawed throughout this thread.




I'm going to go ahead and repeat it:
Correlation does not imply causation.
 
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