US We Did It!

[Swoops]

Point out where in my post I missed the point.

Did you miss the quote in my post?

Don't like pugs? Put a 5 man together. You should be able to put that BG on your collective back.

Could you clarify the the point you're making here then? The implication seems pretty clear to me, but maybe I'm just misreading it.

 

[Nzxer]

cata kids 2.0

Ayyyy

 

[Yann]

Did you miss the quote in my post?



Could you clarify the the point you're making here then? The implication seems pretty clear to me, but maybe I'm just misreading it.

Well, the point I'm trying to make there is pretty clear. If you don't enjoy zoning into a group of random levelers, put your own group together. If that's not enough for you, coordinate for people to do the same on the opposite faction. And if that's still not enough to tickle your dick, do a wargame, if you want something truly competitive. I do believe it's called adapting, but don't quote me on that.

 

[Guacamålé]

this is the worst xpac ever so boring

ye because wod was so nice and competetive for 29s???????

 

[Dramatized]

ye because wod was so nice and competetive for 29s???????

im not even talking about competitiveness mainly lol cant you see there are other flaws about this expac lol

 

[Conq]

Haha only @Mocha could make this thread all it can be.

Couple things.... 19s games in WoD were bad, yes that is right i said it BaaAaaaaAaAaaaaaaAd because every good player was HORDE who CONTAINED alliance nearly the entire match for hmm maybe 7/10 games???

I also know a few things about the mentality around here and in 19s many of them don't like it, many of them actually do like it.

I've heard people in stream sound like their having a blast in these games and then start talking about it and wooooosh in comes elitist attitude. Straight up get over yourselves it's sad, your WoD dream wasn't even real in PuGs most the time.

Without this merge the bracket would be dead until MAYBE if we were lucky the next twink cup so please think about this in the big picture and just group queue or go play wrath if you can't stand it.

I think the real issue is that 19s don't feel like they own the bracket anymore which is true and not at the same time, having full gear slots and high ilvl is still a decently big advantage and a twink with segregation skills can indeed sway a game, so own those noobs fam, or go some where else.

 

[Mvq]

So a "competitive" player plays does not a game for fun?
Sad state of affairs of one plays a video game and they are not having fun.

.. Is that all you got from what I wrote? Let me write it again, please read it multiple times if you fail to understand.

A Hardcore player is a player who plays after the game isn't "fun" because he finds enough satisfaction in improvement to keep playing. That does NOT mean that he doesn't play because it's fun.

Haha only @Mocha could make this thread all it can be.

Couple things.... 19s games in WoD were bad, yes that is right i said it BaaAaaaaAaAaaaaaaAd because every good player was HORDE who CONTAINED alliance nearly the entire match for hmm maybe 7/10 games???

I also know a few things about the mentality around here and in 19s many of them don't like it, many of them actually do like it.

I've heard people in stream sound like their having a blast in these games and then start talking about it and wooooosh in comes elitist attitude. Straight up get over yourselves it's sad, your WoD dream wasn't even real in PuGs most the time. The Without this merge the bracket would be dead until MAYBE if we were lucky the next twink cup so please think about this in the big picture and just group queue or go play wrath if you can't stand it.

I think the real issue is that 19s don't feel like they own the bracket anymore which is true and not at the same time, having full gear slots and high ilvl is still a decently big advantage and a twink with segregation skills can indeed sway a game, so own those noobs fam, or go some where else.

To be honest, you didn't play WoD on Alliance side at a high enough level to have a strong opinion on the quality of Pugs. No offense, we both know it's true ex de. Alliance rarely got destroyed when Saxxon, HB, me, Pizza, etc. were queueing.

It's 100% true that we'd be in deep shit if the merge didn't happen. That's not what the arguement is about. The arguement is about whether these Pugs atm are worth it for players looking for competitive games.

 

[Conq]

.. Is that all you got from what I wrote? Let me write it again, please read it multiple times if you fail to understand.

A Hardcore player is a player who plays after the game isn't "fun" because he finds enough satisfaction in improvement to keep playing. That does NOT mean that he doesn't play because it's fun.


To be honest, you didn't play WoD on Alliance side at a high enough level to have a strong opinion on the quality of Pugs. No offense, we both know it's true ex de. Alliance rarely got destroyed when Saxxon, HB, me, Pizza, etc. were queueing.

It's 100% true that we'd be in deep shit if the merge didn't happen. That's not what the arguement is about. The arguement is about whether these Pugs atm are worth it for players looking for competitive games.

Yes I suck but your wrong if you don't think I can notice how the flow of wsg map works, I've been queueing that map for 11 years and understand the meta from spectating so many wargames which gives you a very unique perspective.

Let's be real unless a few heroes decided to pity queue alliance (so pops wouldn't die) it was a containment fest.

Also it's hard not to notice most your team standing in the GY next to you for 7 minutes

I suck because of mechanics and positioning in this burst meta. My awareness is far fom my issue.

 

[Dramatized]

Kek...
Every xpac is decried as "the worst". Yet now we have people clamoring to bring "worst xpac eva" back in other threads.


I am fine with this expansion. I think it is great. I do not have the time to sit on my a$$ for 8-10 hours a day to play video games. I have a career. It is nice for a change to be able to hop on when I feel like it and get a few games in in about 60 min. And if a couple of my guildies/RealID friends are on they can join me. I have been down the road of "hardcore" before. Probably more than most on this site. In fact, I know more hardcore than most on this site. It is actually nice to be able to enjoy the game every once in while.

are u gonna do a fourth edit ??

 

[Mvq]

Yes I suck but your wrong if you don't think I can notice how the flow of q wsg map works, I've been queueing that mal for 11 years and understand the meta from spectating so many wargames which gives you a very unique perspective. Let's me be real unless a few heroes decided to pity queue alliance it was a containment fest

If you can see how the flow of games go then you should know what I'm saying is true. = P
Being stuck in the GY isn't a valid premise to your arguement. 9/10 games on Alliance we'd play base 2 base.

Saxxon, me or HB rarely queue'd on Horde ... Wasn't pity. Was standard.

 

[Mvq]

Always an arguement with you...
It is a debate.
So by your logic "competive" players don't have fun playing the game because the game is not fun, right? That is what you stated. That only casuals play for the fun aspect of the game.

I'm saying that Hardcore players can enjoy a game simply based on the fact that they wanna improve. They don't need to have fun.

 

[Burg]

These pugs are worth it though. Before you sat in a queue for a subpar game at best. Half the time the queue took thirty minutes to an hour if we are being realistic.

Now instead of sitting in Org to get that subpar game you can que and constantly get a game that is mediocre to eventually get that game that is subpar game you so desperately desire. Would much rather be killing things then sitting in Org twiddling my thumbs thinking about how I wish a game would pop soon before I jump out of my first strory window.

 

[Mvq]

These pugs are worth it though. Before you sat in a queue for a subpar game at best. Half the time the queue took thirty minutes to an hour if we are being realistic.

Now instead of sitting in Org to get that subpar game you can que and constantly get a game that is mediocre to eventually get that game that is subpar game you so desperately desire. Would much rather be killing things then sitting in Org twiddling my thumbs thinking about how I wish a game would pop soon before I jump out of my first strory window.

Subpar .. lol. There were plenty of competitive pugs that were higher quality than most Wargames in WoD. Those Pugs won't happen anymore unless people consistently group queue.

 

[Mocha]

That's not what the arguement is about. The arguement is about whether these Pugs atm are worth it for players looking for competitive games.

No.

This thread is a celebration for the future of the 10-19 bracket since exp off and exp on were merged back.

Your argument though, is one of opinion and perspective with no finite end so the crusade is therefore endless and wasteful.

However, my opinion (shared with many) is that these new PUGs are closer games, more even playing fields and require more effort and are more challenging.

It's been known that in seeking competition, one must meet the level of play with an equal level of play. In bringing advantages into a disadvantaged field, one is not actually seeking competition but seeking dominance.


I will say it is a massive spit in the face to the "in crowd" who privatized the bracket since Cata as they hold very little control over the community. The minority have ruined the community and bracket for the majority for a long time now. So many people had quit due to the stale 3-0s from warsong experience fotm group queues or getting farmed endlessly. This is a true victory for those whom favor activity as now we have unlimited pops and are able to recruit, and this is not a loss for those who apparently favor the "more" competitive twinks v twinks atmosphere... Because you can still do that... however I know you won't because your over inflated egos are keeping you from doing so since everyone's scared shitless of losing a game. (not directed @ you Mvq) But I must say I am absolutely loving the way this has all played out. PUGs are supposed to be PUGs. Twinks v Twinks on fotm in groups + Skype looking for "high" competition belong in wargames, not PUGs. How many years have I been fighting for this now? 5 or 6?

Now everyone on any level of competition CAN be happy and CAN play any time of the day 24/7. Soloqueue right now. It's much more of a challenge now and the games are much closer... Also there are thousands of brand new people enjoying the games alongside us.


Anyways, now that your argument is rendered wasteful and pointless in discussing, back to the celebration!


YAY 10-19 UNLIMITED POPS 24/7 AND UNLIMITED EXPOSURE!

 

[Burg]

Subpar .. lol. There were plenty of competitive pugs that were higher quality than most Wargames in WoD. Those Pugs won't happen anymore unless people consistently group queue.

Which people are group queuing. I run solo on Horde and run into an Alliance 5 man almost every game.

It's like in WoD pugs. One or two people can carry a game.

 

[Conq]

People are group queueing tons of games currently, I did it last night and went 26-1 win / loss

I finally lost that one game when we went up against another 5 man from bleeding hollow, they also had a 6th Mr. Purj lol I was so tilted

 

[Mvq]

No.

This thread is a celebration for the future of the 10-19 bracket since exp off and exp on were merged back.

Your argument though, is one of opinion and perspective with no finite end so the crusade is therefore endless and wasteful.

However, my opinion (shared with many) is that these new PUGs are closer games, more even playing fields and require more effort and are more challenging.

It's been known that in seeking competition, one must meet the level of play with an equal level of play. In bringing advantages into a disadvantaged field, one is not actually seeking competition but seeking dominance.


I will say it is a massive spit in the face to the "in crowd" who privatized the bracket since Cata as they hold very little control over the community. The minority have ruined the community and bracket for the majority for a long time now. So many people had quit due to the stale 3-0s from warsong experience fotm group queues or getting farmed endlessly. This is a true victory for those whom favor activity as now we have unlimited pops and are able to recruit, and this is not a loss for those who apparently favor the "more" competitive twinks v twinks atmosphere... Because you can still do that... however I know you won't because your over inflated egos are keeping you from doing so since everyone's scared shitless of losing a game. (not directed @ you Mvq) But I must say I am absolutely loving the way this has all played out. PUGs are supposed to be PUGs. Twinks v Twinks on fotm in groups + Skype looking for "high" competition belong in wargames, not PUGs. How many years have I been fighting for this now? 5 or 6?

Now everyone on any level of competition CAN be happy and CAN play any time of the day 24/7. Soloqueue right now. It's much more of a challenge now and the games are much closer... Also there are thousands of brand new people enjoying the games alongside us.


Anyways, now that your argument is rendered wasteful and pointless in discussing, back to the celebration!


YAY 10-19 UNLIMITED POPS 24/7 AND UNLIMITED EXPOSURE!

This might come to a shock to you but.. I explained what the arguement that I was having with several people IN the thread was about. Not what the Thread itself is about.

 

[Swoops]

I do believe it's called adapting, but don't quote me on that.

Can quote me on it, I mentioned it in my first post. I've been adapting fine, I've had some fun playing a few different brackets. It was nice getting to level a character duo-queuing with a friend on a 19 for a couple games.

Just saying that XP-off brackets were a unique playstyle that doesn't exist anymore, and group queuing will only make things worse until more twinks/experienced players start playing.

Despite the thread being dominated by the black and white of @Mocha exaggerating to get a reaction and the people taking the bait, there is a grey area here.

It is what it is though. People will stop playing or make the best of it. Hopefully the activity will be leveraged into a good thing eventually.

 

[Mvq]

Which people are group queuing. I run solo on Horde and run into an Alliance 5 man almost every game.

It's like in WoD pugs. One or two people can carry a game.

Indeed. I consistently mentioned that Pugs won't be competitive unless people group queue. If people do it, that's great. I haven't personally had the experience of playing against group queuers consistently. In fact, I've only had 3 games against group queuers out of 30 games.

 

[Burg]

Indeed. I consistently mentioned that Pugs won't be competitive unless people group queue. If people do it, that's great. I haven't personally had the experience of playing against group queuers consistently. In fact, I've only had 3 games against group queuers out of 30 games.

You must be very unlucky then. I see familiar faces and groups running constantly.