Allybeboba
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How about you state why he is correct.
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How about you state why he is correct.
FrozenWill
Legend
Because ally, it's easier to spout about random assumptions rather than proving logical points lol
Edit: with that being said, I guess we won't hear about what they think is so great about their country :/
Allybeboba
Legend
Here is another freebie.
Italy does probably make the pasta in the world. Their baklava is good too!
Ohhh, and that Russian Vodka...
Goesid
Twink Info Legend
https://www.transparency.org/country/#USA heres how America polls. And since no other european country has been mentioned heres Germanys numbers https://www.transparency.org/country/#DEU you can look at more countries if you like or not, you don't seem that interested in facts.
Apnea
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Not sure if this is your usual hackneyed trolling or if you actually believe this, but are you serious?
You can't possibly associate socialism with the collapse of the Venezuelan economy. It has almost nothing to do with a socialist government and everything to do with the fact that their entire economy was mostly dependent on oil. That was fine when barrels of oil were $100 or more in years past, but today they're at the lowest prices seen in over a decade. Obviously that does not bode well for a country's economy with such a heavy dependence on oil.
Their inflation rate is hardly 500%, that's just sensationalist garbage. A half-hearted Google search shows they're just over 100% now and projected to possibly reach 200% within the next few years.
Greece's downfall can't really be attributed to socialism either, more so corrupt inactive politicians making promises they can't keep and basically doing nothing. And don't forget Wall Street's hand in their economic collapse, Greece was a cash cow for shitty bankers and financial professionals who exist solely to lie, cheat and steal money from anywhere they can. I implore you do actually research the collapses of both of these countries before you carry on with more of these anti-socialist diatribes.
America's form of capitalism is the reason the country is in the state it's in, and why so many people are pissed about it. Most of the same people who are pissed about it though are too stupid to actually do some research and learn just how badly this system has worked out for us, and how much worse it will get if left unchecked.
America's not even in danger of electing a tried and true socialist to office so I honestly don't understand your point; if you're taking pot shots at Bernie's socialist leanings by trying to associate socialism with the economic collapse of two countries, bear in mind he's a Democratic socialist which is pretty far off from the Marxist/Leninist shit that most of the uneducated seem to be afraid of. Just spend a little more time actually fact checking and reading about things before spouting off.
And go ahead and look at some of the socialist practices of some of the happiest and most successful nations in the world. Can't possibly just be luck, right?
Allybeboba
Legend
I gave two examples of countries with socialism style governments and both economies are on the verge of collapse. It has been proven time and time again that true socialism does not work.
I did not mention Bernie Sanders, you did.
It has been 24 hours now people....
We are STILL waiting on why your countries are so great. Surely you have something.
I did not mention Bernie Sanders, you did.
It has been 24 hours now people....
We are STILL waiting on why your countries are so great. Surely you have something.
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Allybeboba
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Kek... transparency.org funded by Germans.
Apnea
Legend
Strange that almost all of the happiest and most successful countries in the world are either outright socialist, or entertain strongly socialist ideals and practices within their respective governments. And you chose to prove your point by naming two of them which happen to declare themselves as being socialist, yet their respective economic collapses have almost nothing to do with that particular method of governing?
We're not talking "true socialism" here either - the states you're thinking of declare themselves as socialist, when in actuality they're pretty specifically Marxist/Leninist communist states.
Proven time and time again? States that adhere to Democratic socialist ideals (Scandinavian nations like Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, etc) are consistently ranked as the happiest and most successful on the planet.
This is just another classic example of Americans (assuming you're from the US Ally) confusing socialism with communism.
l30t53dd6p
OG
We have no people around who give their wife and daughter guns, tools for mdk, because they are scared and think they make a better world like that.
Allybeboba
Legend
Socialism is an economic "system" where as communism is of a political "system".
However..
"The objective of socialism is communism." When people give up their individualism and freedom for what they have not earned, they give to the state an omnipotent power over them.
People's version of "happy" would vary greatly. Some people would not be "happy" unless they were making a six figure salary. Where as some people would be "happy" just to be employed. Then you have some people that are "happy" to live off the system and have everything provided for them.
"Happy" is a very very relative term.
I do have another question. How old is the oldest Socialist government? They do not last that long compared to others.
Allybeboba
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You do not have women in the military or believe in women's equality? That is what makes your country great? What country is this?
l30t53dd6p
OG
Yeah turn the subject all you want. No one will support a comparison between the army and wife & daughters with weapons and actually we are the #1 country in the world with equal rights between man and woman.
And btw, your earlier argument about that usa is the reason we have internet... wow if you think a little further back, you have spoken about this yourself, if we europeans didn't came to the usa.... Would have happened anyway whether your country exists or not.
Always trying to swing everything into your own direction with your arguments.. boring.
Goesid
Twink Info Legend
So because it's from Germany it doesn't count, how American of you.
Communism is the ideal system of goverment but is by human nature impossible to execute in practise.
For example Denmark has been going since 1924, to help people rather than shooting them is a new concept though.
Allybeboba
Legend
Well then, if your mystery country allows women into their military they must give them guns then. Unless women are treated differently in the military. Which is very possible. Some countries don't allow women pilots, medics, tankers etc...
l30t53dd6p
OG
Why do you keep going on with this flawed argument and trying to justify you giving your wife and daughter weapons and compare that with the military... it fails. Only the wapons policy of usa makes any country without always 100 times better.
And my country is not a mistery, I've quoted something you said towards Devm, he is from the Netherlands he said and I am backing him a little up here.
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Apnea
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Sorry friend, that is just outright false. That's an incorrect and unnecessary categorization of the ideologies. They're both economic and political systems.
Also straight up false. I'd love to know where you're getting your information from. Socialism isn't people "giving up their individualism and freedom for what they have not earned". That sounds like something that could have come straight from the Donald himself, and is simply absurd. The fact that you even mention it as such implies that you're probably of the baby boomer generation that constantly decries millenials for wanting handouts and free shit, while ignoring the fact that the boomers put us in the position we're in today.
Once again, the concern here is not straight up "true" socialism as you seem to be stuck harping on. There's no need for me to clarify the definition of the socialism that you seem to be afraid of, as I've done many times. America is concerned with Democratic socialism, which is as follows:
Democratic socialism is a political ideology advocating political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production, with democratic management of enterprises within a socialist economic system. The term "democratic socialism" is sometimes used synonymously with "socialism"; the adjective "democratic" is often added to distinguish it from the Marxist–Leninist brand of socialism, which is widely viewed as being non-democratic.
Nobody advocating for democratic socialism wants handouts and free shit. Nobody is getting line to "get what they haven't earned". The people who support this type of system want to see our taxes used to better society and to give back to the people and decrease the massive gaps in equality that this country suffers from. They want the government to work for ALL people, not just a small percentage of people who have taken far, far more than they have given back. Will there be leeches who don't hold their weight? Of course, there always will be but this is a step in the right direction toward doing the most good toward the most people. If you can figure out how to create a social system in which there is no waste or leeches, then you may very well be one of the best political leaders the world will ever see.
Allybeboba
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A site about corruption funded by primarily one country? Tell me how ironic can that be?? Also funded by an African country at that!
Thank you for the compliment.
So, less than a 100 years. not counting that little thing called WW2.
Allybeboba
Legend
You state your country is "Great" because you can't have access to weapons. Correct?
You finally now state that you are from the Netherlands. For all I knew you were from China, Guatamala, Canada, England, Brazil who knows where. Now that I know my rebuttal to this will now be...
One of the reasons we have the 2nd Amendment (the right to bear arms) is to prevent what happened to your country in 1940. It also keeps the government from being able to impose tyranny on it's citizens. Our Constitution is part of the reason why we have lasted for 230 years.
Much like the Netherlands, the US was neutral during WW2 until we were attacked. That is where the Axis make their mistake. They woke the sleeping lion!
Allybeboba
Legend
I don't know what your obsession with my age is, but you are about 2 decades off.
Apnea
Legend
Twas but a minor footnote in the overall scope of the points I was trying to make...hardly an obsession. Don't misinterpret the point of the posts I'm making here, I'm not out to attack you or insult you. I'm just carrying on a conversation, political discourse is healthy
