Thoughts on ele shams?

It's really interesting to see the different replies compared to what phron did and kain, hairy, and crapz.. I think that clearly shows who the trollers are or who the people I need to ignore :p Thx for actually addressing most of my right and also wrong points [MENTION=18087]Phrontistery[/MENTION] I didn't mean eles are anywhere near as OP as hunts atm but I think in 5.2 they were pretty close. I just meant in a good eles hands now that they will be really OP and the medoicre ones will be the "middle ground" all these people are claiming so I guess that classifys you as one of the only really good ones ;)
 
BiS Ele in PvP is not easy to answer. It depens on your chosen role. If you want to be FC in warsong, you should gear in stuff with more stamina (eg. magicians mantle (17(!) stam) > heirloom shoulder), or stamina cloak (9 stam only). If you want to be an offensive player you should gear in stuff with more attention on int&crit, but staying hitcapped.
 
Elemental's now in warsong' are so much fun considering they aren't to strong but still overall good , they can work around the field and help the team aswell in heals. Aswell as blasting people away from the flag carriers = F.U.N
 
Lillhunter said:
It's really interesting to see the different replies compared to what phron did and kain, hairy, and crapz.. I think that clearly shows who the trollers are or who the people I need to ignore :p Thx for actually addressing most of my right and also wrong points [MENTION=18087]Phrontistery[/MENTION] I didn't mean eles are anywhere near as OP as hunts atm but I think in 5.2 they were pretty close. I just meant in a good eles hands now that they will be really OP and the medoicre ones will be the "middle ground" all these people are claiming so I guess that classifys you as one of the only really good ones ;)
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No no I'm not trolling... I'm confused. You would have to be a complete moron to say hunters were middle ground. If you feel that you are middle ground while playing a hunter then you have no clue what you are doing and you especially have had adequate time to master that class so it is pretty hilarious to hear that from you.
 
In my opinion it is kinda hard to compare shamans and hunters. While hunters are more dmg and cc, eles are like a cardgame joker. Of course you can do a lot of dmg as shaman, but it is a hard-cast class, where only your opening move (flame shock) and the finishing move (ES+Fulminating) will be instant. But to get the major hit in finishing move you need 7stacks of lightning shield, and not every bolt will give you a stack, meaning you need 10+ bolts for the hit.

Well, in my playstyle, I'd first heal a mate, purge a bubble or windshear a heal/mind blast than causing dmg, so it takes long to get 4+ stacks for a decent hit. And I don't see that many rerollers since this class is not the candy prot warriors were, they will probably go hunter/feral/boomkin or prot pallies.
 
Lillhunter said:
It's really interesting to see the different replies compared to what phron did and kain, hairy, and crapz.. I think that clearly shows who the trollers are or who the people I need to ignore :p Thx for actually addressing most of my right and also wrong points [MENTION=18087]Phrontistery[/MENTION] I didn't mean eles are anywhere near as OP as hunts atm but I think in 5.2 they were pretty close. I just meant in a good eles hands now that they will be really OP and the medoicre ones will be the "middle ground" all these people are claiming so I guess that classifys you as one of the only really good ones ;)
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U can call us trolls and put us on ignore but that wont change the fact that u are always making excuses and using other classes to make hunters look less OP, its sad.
 
hairy said:
No no I'm not trolling... I'm confused. You would have to be a complete moron to say hunters were middle ground. If you feel that you are middle ground while playing a hunter then you have no clue what you are doing and you especially have had adequate time to master that class so it is pretty hilarious to hear that from you.
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Trolls- kain/crapz Ignore- you. i knew you were gonna make some smart comment just like you did and that's why I said trolls or people to ignore. Unlike phron you 3 (plus spike) made a smart comment instead of actually addressing anything at all and aren't worth my time to try and argue or talk with this about. Hunts were middle ground from 5.0-5.2. A great hunt could certainly do impressive things and make them seem OP however a hunt couldn't beat any class that had the choice to heal and weren't globaling or 1 shotting people. Hunts were not OP and we are now. Eles were not OP and they are now.

CripzBlood said:
U can call us trolls and put us on ignore but that wont change the fact that u are always making excuses and using other classes to make hunters look less OP, its sad.
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I do? Since when lol.. Pulling another random "fact" out of nowhere that isn't true? You have been banned probably 5+ times so I think it's a safe thing to call you a troll. If you knew what you were talking about half the time it would be something different but I never see anything correct come from you...


I told myself after the phron comment and him addressing somethings I may have been wrong about I was done in this thread however I had to take the troll bait one last time sadly.
 
Lillhunter said:
however a hunt couldn't beat any class that had the choice to heal and weren't globaling or 1 shotting people. Hunts were not OP and we are now. Eles were not OP and they are now.
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This. is. wrong.

But 1 thing in particular is important here, the part about 'a hunt couldn't beat any class that had the choice to heal and weren't globaling or 1 shotting people'. Why? BECAUSE THEY FUCKING CONTROLLED EVERYTHING THAT COULD NOT HEAL.

If a 900hp hunter facerolls (e.g pet on complete auto, random scatter as opener, no KC only Arcane Shot etc) my 1.7k hp mage without any problems (for that matter, a hunter pet can solo a pure DPS class) you telling me they weren't op is simply wrong. Period.

The part about Elemental being op. Let me tell you something about Fulmination and Rolling Thunder. RT has a 60% chance per Lightning Bolt to generate one charge on your Lightning Shield and the next Earth Shock consumes those charges and procs Fulmination. Now, let's say you have 0 haste which makes your Lightning Bolts take exactly 2 seconds to cast (not counting latency or pushback), then you have a 60% chance for 1 charge on your Shield. It takes all 7 charges on your Shield for Fulmination to deal any significant amount of damage which means, that you have to cast at least 7 Lightning Bolts (14 seconds that is) to get those 7 charges at best. In those 14 seconds (which will never happen) any hunter can kill any elemental shaman (if we're talking about a hunter that facerolls his DPS, does not CC and the shaman doesn't heal himself - but if we're talking about good hunter and good shaman, the shaman will attempt to heal himself and get CCd by the hunter, so it doesn't matter anyways).

You can go ahead and ignore all this and tell me your personal reason for a) Why hunters were only middle ground in 5.2, b) Why hunters are NOW good/OP and c) Why Elemental shamans are now good/OP.



If I get your usual 'ermagerd stahp trollen meh pl0x' this conversation is over and you can go faceroll your hunter again. (Yes, this last part was meant to provoke and troll you a bit, but we're on the internet, get over it)





And just as a sidenote, you calling Cripz 'crapz' is insulting just as well. Hope you have a great day.
 
Fujin0 said:
This. is. wrong.

But 1 thing in particular is important here, the part about 'a hunt couldn't beat any class that had the choice to heal and weren't globaling or 1 shotting people'. Why? BECAUSE THEY FUCKING CONTROLLED EVERYTHING THAT COULD NOT HEAL.

If a 900hp hunter facerolls (e.g pet on complete auto, random scatter as opener, no KC only Arcane Shot etc) my 1.7k hp mage without any problems (for that matter, a hunter pet can solo a pure DPS class) you telling me they weren't op is simply wrong. Period.

The part about Elemental being op. Let me tell you something about Fulmination and Rolling Thunder. RT has a 60% chance per Lightning Bolt to generate one charge on your Lightning Shield and the next Earth Shock consumes those charges and procs Fulmination. Now, let's say you have 0 haste which makes your Lightning Bolts take exactly 2 seconds to cast (not counting latency or pushback), then you have a 60% chance for 1 charge on your Shield. It takes all 7 charges on your Shield for Fulmination to deal any significant amount of damage which means, that you have to cast at least 7 Lightning Bolts (14 seconds that is) to get those 7 charges at best. In those 14 seconds (which will never happen) any hunter can kill any elemental shaman (if we're talking about a hunter that facerolls his DPS, does not CC and the shaman doesn't heal himself - but if we're talking about good hunter and good shaman, the shaman will attempt to heal himself and get CCd by the hunter, so it doesn't matter anyways).

You can go ahead and ignore all this and tell me your personal reason for a) Why hunters were only middle ground in 5.2, b) Why hunters are NOW good/OP and c) Why Elemental shamans are now good/OP.



If I get your usual 'ermagerd stahp trollen meh pl0x' this conversation is over and you can go faceroll your hunter again. (Yes, this last part was meant to provoke and troll you a bit, but we're on the internet, get over it)





And just as a sidenote, you calling Cripz 'crapz' is insulting just as well. Hope you have a great day.
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No.
Lil is always right, only her opnion is valid.
Only after bashing her head agaisnt the key board 100times she will admit she was wrong.

Now she denies that she talked about eleshams being OP cuz ppl were saying that 5.3Hunter is OP.
(But we all know she compared hunters to eleshams to make hunters look less OP).
 
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GOSH ele shamans are rlly up there now.
fulmination(just saw it when I logged)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cast and move...
heals, cc, support
overall a very balanced spec.
O and enhance is doing so much better now we just rlly need SS
 
As someone who has played shaman since early Wrath, and ele since Cata, in my hands ele is insane right now. There is *NO* way a rogue will touch me, or feral, or any other melee right now. If you have any sort of skill at backstrafing, ele is very good. The offheals suck now, but I still love the changes. I would still not consider them OP right now, and I really hope there aren't mass re-rolls to shaman. I often find myself using ES before 7 charge stacks - it's still a nice damage boost, along with the gear scaling changes, I hit quite hard.
 
Lillhunter said:
Not even gonna argue spike.. If people are complaining about how OP hunts are and not about how OP eles are they have either not seen a good ele or they are yet another person singling out hunters.


Hunts were a nice middle ground pre 5.3 and so were eles. Both had a high skill cap and in a good players hands could do very well. Both got decently sized buffs and both are now OP and gonna be topping dmg. Difference is that while a hunt may have more burst and may top dmg easier that eles can now kite as well (lb on the move) and lv 24s will have frost shock or w/e it is which will serve as the same thing as concussive shot to good 24 shammies and they still have smaller yet noticeable off heals as well as one of the better arsenals of any healing class out there.


People have said how hunts have it all and are so well around with CC and dmg and kiting... Well imo from what I've seen just from a couple of bgs ele now has those same uses except now we throw in offhealing. If people can't see that for themselves well then good for me but I'm not gonna QQ or complain about them (even though a good one will definitely scare me now) cause just like hunts I doubt if ele becomes fotm that people will be able to play it to it's potential.
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I think people are overlooking the biggest buff to ele shamans right now. SPELL HIT IS FIXED. I played my ele shammy all through that fiasco and really, ever since MoP came out (resto sham was too OP for me to play). Anywho, the fact that I'm actually hitting people with my spells is amazing. My damage output through that alone has been great. Now with the extra burst and moving LB, they are defiantly above average but not OP. It takes time to generate some quality burst and you have too many other things to focus on beside doing damage. And most importantly, the off heals are not strong like they used to be. The average reroller wont know what to do when they get a hold of a shammy either.

And, hunter = easy-mode right now
 
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