Talents Preview Discussion [w/ Calaculator Link]

Dragpz said:
Holy nuts, Surv is looking damn competitive with the new preview - https://www.wowhead.com/dragonflight-talent-calc/AACRDBoEAACHDRCBA

Posthaste + Trailblazer + Kill Shot + Harpoon Reset??? All on 1 hunter holy nuts the mobility and clean up potential, absolute insanity. Admittedly we'll still have to wait and see if their damage gets tuned, but talent-wise hunter still looks S tier

edit: Rogues pretty much get their full kit now, but the real question is whether or not they'll still get 1 shot. Priests are looking kinda meh to me, I guess holy gets Spirit of Redemption, but not a huge deal. If they got Mind Control, that'd be sick, but thats probably asking too much in this bracket
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I'd personally go for the wildfire bomb/bloodseeker path instead of harpoon for survival
 
raziel83 said:
How? There's only 2 paths to 2/2 careful aim and both of them require 6 points aka lvl 21.

edit; lol I see it now. I'm a bit stupid sorry

Yeah the bracket might be done with this. Maybe worse than bramble staves.
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Iirc after brombel got nerfed, survival received a couple dmg% buffs so it's probably pretty equal at this point.

Looking at talents I see survival lost sting and turned into a zug zug melee spec(even though some still play it like this even now), BM loses some offense and MM gets disgusting. None of the utility was removed, they even added more.

And since 60% of EU horde is hunters + rogues, I don't think the bracket would be playable at all :kekD:
 
For reference of everyone scared of Kill Shot, my hunter )with only a low 5% mastery) does a tooltip Aim Shot for 851 damage and the killshot is 717. Instant cast with 10 sec cooldown. And with the talents Careful Aim that'll make the Aimed Shot do 50% more against >70% HP targets... MM hunters are going to be two shotting everyone very quickly unless something major changes :frogeW:

Edit: obviously a MM hunter with max mastery and crit gear is going to get this number MUCH higher. Any hunters want to share what your Aimed Shot tooltip number gets up to in a BG?
 
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Vyvenem said:
I had to login for the first time in months to compare what I would gain/lose with these changes. As a PvE MM Hunter, I feel as though I would have a much easier time switching to BM for PvE content in Dragonflight with these talents.

BM's easy access to multi-target damage mechanics is amazing. I'm curious to see if Predator's Thirst will be nerfed or if BM is really getting baseline 15/20% Leech with the Aspect of the Beast talent.

MM has a terrible path to multi-target damage AND I'm losing Serpent Sting which I used to great effect for multi-target farming.

MM still looks amazing in PvP, but BM just looks to be leagues better in PvE now. The baseline Hunter Tree has amazing options for all types of stuff. Now we wait to see what baseline skills Hunters get up to 20 and whether or not we'll have access to more beast abilities, especially with exotic beasts available.
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If BM can get 20% lifesteal from mending 2x pets, that is going to be very very nice sustain in PVE. I'm also curious to hear about the exotic pet abilities because they will be super nice in PVE too! :)
 
Sil said:
MM hunters are going to be two shotting everyone very quickly unless something major changes :frogeW:
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Ye true. Just aimed shot into kill shot. Everyone dies in 2 buttons. It's ok though, just means I can 100% focus on wotlk classic.

All MM's lose bursting shot and 2/2 careful means they lose rapid fire so it's not all bad I guess.
 
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Sil said:
If BM can get 20% lifesteal from mending 2x pets, that is going to be very very nice sustain in PVE. I'm also curious to hear about the exotic pet abilities because they will be super nice in PVE too! :)
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Wait….. what…… I just saw Exotic Beasts are BM baseline.
Wow, that’s awesome if we have it at 20.
I’d be willing to forget about Wrath if I can get Exotic Beasts.
I used to use the Spirit Beast HoT.
This could big. Don’t think it’s a game changer, but it gives us a lot more pet options.
This could be promising :ez:
 
stickyo said:
Isn’t bursting shot a pvp talent? that means it can stay, i think these previews don’t talk about pvp talents.
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Nah it's currently baseline at lvl 12 for MM in SL. In DF it's lvl 27 min.
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Sil said:
So it looks like BM loses the ability to have both Animal Companion (2 pets) and Cobra Shot (which is basically essential and I can't imagine anyone skipping this ability). But at least now there is access to 10% extra leech (20% total) or extra focus points for the burst or straight bonus 10% pet damage.

The bonus pet damage from Animal Companion is going to be missed (1.3x a single pet). My main question is: will Barbed Shot still generate 20 focus or not?? :thonk:
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So I think double pet would still work without cobra shot. You just use arcane shot instead. Sure it doesn't reduce the CD of kill command but you got 2 pets to compensate.

Yeah not only does barbed shot not say if it gives 20 focus anymore but it looks like it might only have 1 charge. 2 charges from the talent 'loaded quiver'. Losing a charge of barbed shot is a pretty big dps loss :<
 
Chey said:
Feral loosing lunar inspiration is pretty big, especially with no slows or gap closers.

Getting Maim and Rip is nice but we don’t get the combo generation to utilize everything.

Will be ok but not great. My guess is it will stay in its current tier position.
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You get stun on opener though.
 
Yea hunter is still gonna be op, surprising news. But i will probably be dumb enough to take Rapid Fire for my MM hunter instead since it's one of my favorite abilities overall. But it's cool that we can get Multi-Shot too if needed, allowing for a little Aoe Boost especially with Precise Shot.
On the other hand we lose some survivability against melees without kick, even tho we can probably still choose explosive trap as pvp talent to compensate.

And hey, if we are able to tame exotics at BM, my pet collection can grow more ^^
 
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Ivo said:
You get stun on opener though.
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Yup. Stun opener + sabertooth (20% more FB dmg).

Chey said:
Getting Maim and Rip is nice but we don’t get the combo generation to utilize everything.
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Yeah like you said, lack of uptime resulting in low CB generation means maim + rip aren't that great. Fortunately you can attack stuff at 40 yards with moonkin + starfire + starsurge + MF.
 
Sil said:
Edit: obviously a MM hunter with max mastery and crit gear is going to get this number MUCH higher. Any hunters want to share what your Aimed Shot tooltip number gets up to in a BG?
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Mine is so massive that I reach character limit for the post.
 
Jesus christ assa build just made me mess my pants. Damaging abilities aside, they get even more utility skills than they have right now. Basically whole kit designed to murder someone slowly but safely
 
raziel83 said:
Nah it's currently baseline at lvl 12 for MM in SL. In DF it's lvl 27 min.
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So I think double pet would still work without cobra shot. You just use arcane shot instead. Sure it doesn't reduce the CD of kill command but you got 2 pets to compensate.

Yeah not only does barbed shot not say if it gives 20 focus anymore but it looks like it might only have 1 charge. 2 charges from the talent 'loaded quiver'. Losing a charge of barbed shot is a pretty big dps loss :
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Arcane shot also ignores armor unlike cobra
[doublepost=1657367176][/doublepost]Also does anyone know if Bloodseeker only applies to hunter bleeds or can it synergize with a feral using thrash in a big team fight. If so I'm premading with feral/ass rogues only as surv lmao
 
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