Mazurati said:
Then why do you pop speed pots all day long in pugs? I've never seen you in a pug that you didn't use a speed pot.
btw, I RARELY use any pots in pugs.
Considering I never even carry a single full stack of speed pots in my bag at any time, I would question that statement. If you're that warrior, I do remember popping one speed pot against you guys when you had 4 hunters turtling the flag room and I wanted to end the game already to queue with some guildmates. Other than that, I've honestly never seen you in other games.
But maybe you didn't even read what you bolded in my quote. I do not care what happens in pugs. And here you are bringing up something that happened in a pug...
As for your next post:
Congrats, you're basically the only one that does not fit under that category.
Speed pots inevitably help the offense teams of both sides more so than the defense. That much is a given. Obviously I will be biased, but I am not biased in a sense that I do not see how beneficial speed pots would be to
my offense as well. Speed pots undermine the value of CC, coordination, terrain, and decision-making in premades. Fall behind your team? Just speed pot back up; no loss there. In a game without speed pots, however, the offense that is most organized and best fit to combat the CC of the opposing team's defense will win. So if I have any bias at all, I guess you could say it's because I put a lot of faith in my offense at being better than yours.
And the argument that speed pots can easily be dispelled is also rather a misnomer. In every case, speed pots are used to catch up to your team or the opposing team, in almost every case because
you messed up or got CC'd. Whenever you're trying to catch up, there is no one there to dispel your pot. Not to mention, as Lloyd pointed out, it is easy to stack buffs long enough to delay the removal of it.
If using speed pots gave a > advantage to you, I'm sure they would be ok.
Speed pots don't give an advantage to either side. However, in our last premade with AK's guild, I would definitely assure you my guild would have benefited from them much more so than his. That still doesn't mean I want them to be used, however.
Seriously though... think about it, IF speed pots were allowed then you would have to risk that you AND your support would have to all pop speed pots at same time that way you don't range/los your heals and put yourself in a bad position to be downed easier by an offensive who could easily pop'em as well.
Not even possible with debuff. But I don't even see what you're trying to say with this statement.
Speed pots don't help you as much as a healing pot, where as a speed pot would help much more than healing a pot for someone on O.
You're seeing this argument in the wrong light. It's not about how I personally see speed pots as not benefitting me as much as my opponents offense. My offense would also have access to speed pots. There is no hidden motive of having an edge as for why I think speed pots are cheap in premades.
With all this said, let me turn this thread back on topic before it gets any more derailed. If the rules outlined for the premade are made several days in advance and include speed pots being allowed, I would not have a problem. Do I like speed pots? Of course not. But if plenty of warning is given to prepare, then I don't have a problem with it. In this case. Ak, without consulting with his GM, decided he was going to bring speed pots to the premade when we had already decided before hand that they would not be allowed. This could be a simple case of mis-communication, but it does not excuse his behavior afterward.
If you want a premade where anything goes, I am cool with it. But that needs to be dictated in advance. And you better believe we will use everything at our disposal which will make you regret even allowing such items. I hate it when 10v10s are decided by who was bored enough to farm the most OP consumables. But if that is your terms of a 'fair' WSG, so be it.
he/she stood around near our GY AFK and didn't help. 
