Swiftness Pots in 10v10s
- Thread starter Casinex
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gr1pp said:
Just wondering Gr1pp what guild are you in? Most top guilds don't have your attitude.. though I have been out of the scene for a few months so things may have changed. Ive been in some of the top guilds premade wise and we generally allowed teams that were new/just getting started the ability to not use speed pots. This way we were ensuring that when they got better/got more money they would be much more competitive. You cant learn much if the other team completely outbuffs you (and older teams also usually have more skill/coordination so that combined with speed pots) certainly doesn't help.
On exploits.. they can certainly be gamebreaking. 450 any profession ( which is possible ) was pretty damn OP. Getting lvl 75 weapons was very OP. Wall hacking.. esp against people who dont know about it -> Very game breaking (imo regardless of knowledge of said exploits) etc.. very few exploits are not game breaking.
Furthermore, you ignored my point. GM's think of twinks as a bunch of exploiters trying to destroy the game's internal mechanisms. No need to add fuel to the fire right?
gr1pp
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I quit some time ago, because just like you said yourself: Most people (and this is true both for twinks, endgame and sadly even Blizzard) think banning/nerfing things is good, and that imo kills true competition.
In all my time as a 19 twink the only thing truely gamebreaking was lvl 80 Wound Poison exploit, and argueably Charged Crystal Focus. 450proffs/Entis/gear+terrain exploits were strong, but nothing that killed competition between 2 sides playing at the best this bracket allows.
If you're fighting mediorce enemies 450 proffs (for example) may seem like they decide the game, but against an equal guild they'll probably use it themself and/or adjust their strategy.
And I don't think using exploits will make Blizzard dislike twinks, if they want to nerf us, they'll do no matter if we considered it legit/exploit, just like 3.1 proved.
In all my time as a 19 twink the only thing truely gamebreaking was lvl 80 Wound Poison exploit, and argueably Charged Crystal Focus. 450proffs/Entis/gear+terrain exploits were strong, but nothing that killed competition between 2 sides playing at the best this bracket allows.
If you're fighting mediorce enemies 450 proffs (for example) may seem like they decide the game, but against an equal guild they'll probably use it themself and/or adjust their strategy.
And I don't think using exploits will make Blizzard dislike twinks, if they want to nerf us, they'll do no matter if we considered it legit/exploit, just like 3.1 proved.
fearthelock
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gr1pp said:
So is the Speed pots. I said "more" . meaning more game breaking than the extra speed. and if you mix 120 hp with 750-1250 damage absorbtion (seeing that noone is there to dispell ect.) I'd say that beats a 50% speed increase for 15 sec any day. my main point though is that you can buy speed pots and the AGM is much harder to get seeing how you have to get 12 trinkets (and now sought after by lvl 80 achievement whores).
Casinex
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Lol, i don't bring it up because disagree with terrain exploiting. I have no problem with people doing it - the reason i bring it up is because your guild, wants to ban speed pots - which has NEVER had rules against it in premades - whereas terrain exploiting has always been controversial. I can honsetly say i can easily do all the jumps - aside from the alliance GY (which honestly i have only attempted once).
What was all the pent up anger about reporting you? Random much? When did i ever say i had a problem with terrain exploiting. You still have no legitimate (bolded for emphasis) reason as to why swift pots should be banned.
Tidal
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Swiftness pots are not hard to come by. If one guild happens not to have them, they could kindly ask the opposing team not to use them, but even then it's still up to them. There are far more OP consumables than swiftness pots. If you're disabling swiftness pots, you might just as well disable the use of consumables overall.
Mazurati
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Grunge said:
you would lose that bet.
besides.. that pre-made was well over 2 yrs ago when magic dust wasn't popular.
using magic dust up the wazoo before diminishing returns didn't show any kind of skill. not sure how long you have been twinking, but magic dust used to last 30 sec and if you trinket out of it, you could easily go back under the same affect for another 30 sec.
Maerduk
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Mazurati said:
It was a bitch to farm though, I remember farming up a bunch of it back when queue times for 1 wsg was like an hour on my server. The 30 sec was OP though, the same was true for green whelp armor in the 30+ brackets. That's why that also took a huge nerf stick and even made it effective only on targets level 50 and below because old school 60 drood flag runners would wear it.
Grunge
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Mazurati said:
yes, ive played in a premade where it was used, yes it hurt, no i didnt have any of my own, and yes i nerdraged.
But even in its unnerfed form i cant say anything against it because i could have done my research and farmed it. Haven't made that mistake since then and im damn well not about to cry about it.
In premades anything goes.