Meme spec raiding, how you plan to do it?

Neon said:
Ok well no enhance is not going to try to be the best dps they can be, and if anyone EVER tells me to not use stormstrike because it will take up a debuff I will tell them to lick my balls.
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You're not going to play with a decent guild then, in terms of performance.

Also, can you link the video showing him doing 750+ DPS in pre raid BiS gear?
 
Neon said:
Or I make my own guild
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Neon said:
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Thanks. The MC numbers are heavily miscompared, though.

He's comparing himself hitting on a dummy like it's a raid boss. To a fully buffed raid doing trash and bosses. Overall DPS throughout a raid is going be MUCH lower than someone hitting a boss/dummy to figure out his DPS.

Also, he mentions 450 DPS, not 750. Raid buffed don't improve your DPS my 300.
 
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Efflux said:
Thanks. The MC numbers are heavily miscompared, though.

He's comparing himself hitting on a dummy like it's a raid boss. To a fully buffed raid doing trash and bosses. Overall DPS throughout a raid is going be MUCH lower than someone hitting a boss/dummy to figure out his DPS.

Also, he mentions 450 DPS, not 750. Raid buffed don't improve your DPS my 300.
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Yeah I don't know where I pulled 750 from but, in molten core on average enhance can be the 2nd best dps in a raid losing only to warriors.
 
Neon said:
Yeah I don't know where I pulled 750 from but, in molten core on average enhance can be the 2nd best dps in a raid losing only to warriors.
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They're way further down than 2nd after Warriors. Even the site he uses himself to look at parsings, prove that.
 
Efflux said:
They're way further down than 2nd after Warriors. Even the site he uses himself to look at parsings, prove that.
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Ok well he manages to pull 1k+ dps in raids as enhance, when people like you say it cannot be done, he is literally doing it.
 
Neon said:
Ok well he manages to pull 1k+ dps in raids as enhance, when people like you say it cannot be done, he is literally doing it.
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Just like the other guy, you're doing mental gymnastics to try and prove Shamans are better than people think. When we got parsings proving literally otherwise. On top of that, you use some scuffed youtuber as reference, who can't even look at parsings himself and compare two different things to each other, to make Shaman DPS appear better than it is.

This got nothing to do about "what can't be done" nobody told you, you can't play enhancement shaman, but don't make it into something it isn't. Shamans are not 2nd on DPS after Warriors, that's literally facts. 450~ dummy DPS in full pre-raid BiS is not good and Warriors/Rogues/Mages/Feral Druids/Warlocks, are higher than that.

Stop playing the victim and accept facts. Nobody is telling you not to play it. You can play whatever you want. But don't talk like Enhancement is something it isn't, especially by linking to youtubers not doing their homework.

Like, stop throwing random shit like "They're 2nd after Warriors in DPS" out, when it's absolutely not true.

I really don't want to be rude, but you're completely disregarding the facts.
 
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Efflux said:
Just like the other guy, you're doing mental gymnastics to try and prove Shamans are better than people think. When we got parsings proving literally otherwise. On top of that, you use some scuffed youtuber as reference, who can't even look at parsings himself and compare two different things to each other, to make Shaman DPS appear better than it is.

This got nothing to do about "what can't be done" nobody told you, you can't play enhancement shaman, but don't make it into something it isn't. Shamans are not 2nd on DPS after Warriors, that's literally facts. 450~ dummy DPS in full pre-raid BiS is not good and Warriors/Rogues/Mages/Feral Druids/Warlocks, are higher than that.

Stop playing the victim and accept facts. Nobody is telling you not to play it. You can play whatever you want. But don't talk like Enhancement is something it isn't, especially by linking to youtubers not doing their homework.

Like, stop throwing random shit like "They're 2nd after Warriors in DPS" out, when it's absolutely not true.

I really don't want to be rude, but you're completely disregarding the facts.
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If you think using logic and facts is going to work with neon you are sorely mistaken. I'll help you out a bit, see below

NEON UR FUCKIN DUMB, IT WONT WORK. GET THE FUCK OVER IT AND ROLL A DIFFERENT MELEE CLASS OR HEAL ON YOUR SHAMAN. IF YOU TAKE A SINGLE FUCKING PIECE OF MAIL AGILITY LOOT FROM HUNTERS THEN YOUR RAID LEAD/LOOT COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE THROWN IN A FIRE.
 
Efflux said:
Just like the other guy, you're doing mental gymnastics to try and prove Shamans are better than people think. When we got parsings proving literally otherwise. On top of that, you use some scuffed youtuber as reference, who can't even look at parsings himself and compare two different things to each other, to make Shaman DPS appear better than it is.

This got nothing to do about "what can't be done" nobody told you, you can't play enhancement shaman, but don't make it into something it isn't. Shamans are not 2nd on DPS after Warriors, that's literally facts. 450~ dummy DPS in full pre-raid BiS is not good and Warriors/Rogues/Mages/Feral Druids/Warlocks, are higher than that.

Stop playing the victim and accept facts. Nobody is telling you not to play it. You can play whatever you want. But don't talk like Enhancement is something it isn't, especially by linking to youtubers not doing their homework.

Like, stop throwing random shit like "They're 2nd after Warriors in DPS" out, when it's absolutely not true.

I really don't want to be rude, but you're completely disregarding the facts.
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Have you ever thought the parsings are of enh shamans that are just there to buff the raid and are doing subar dps to save a debuff slot for the rest of the raid.

Enhancement is better than what people think this isn't 2004, people aren't as bad and biased anymore look at esfand topping damage as ret paladin for example.

Shamans CAN BE 2nd dps after warriors if you actually try to dps instead of just sitting back and not using stormstrike halfassing etc.

The fact is just because everyone says something is bad is mostly due to some bullshit stigma that they experienced watching trash enhancement shamans.
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Sanit said:
If you think using logic and facts is going to work with neon you are sorely mistaken. I'll help you out a bit, see below

NEON UR FUCKIN DUMB, IT WONT WORK. GET THE FUCK OVER IT AND ROLL A DIFFERENT MELEE CLASS OR HEAL ON YOUR SHAMAN. IF YOU TAKE A SINGLE FUCKING PIECE OF MAIL AGILITY LOOT FROM HUNTERS THEN YOUR RAID LEAD/LOOT COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE THROWN IN A FIRE.
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Reroll something mainstream and over rated? No thanks what the hell is the fun in that?
 
jwl said:
<@Druhgy and friends pt 2>
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I am not running that guild anymore, had no plan on playing retail ever again as soon as classic released, I can see why it would be trolly/funny of you to post that though.
 
Neon said:
I am not running that guild anymore, had no plan on playing retail ever again as soon as classic released, I can see why it would be trolly/funny of you to post that though.
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Play 19s on alliance i'll send you back to retail RQ
 
You’re going to rue this day
 
Neon said:
Have you ever thought the parsings are of enh shamans that are just there to buff the raid and are doing subar dps to save a debuff slot for the rest of the raid.

Enhancement is better than what people think this isn't 2004, people aren't as bad and biased anymore look at esfand topping damage as ret paladin for example.

Shamans CAN BE 2nd dps after warriors if you actually try to dps instead of just sitting back and not using stormstrike halfassing etc.

The fact is just because everyone says something is bad is mostly due to some bullshit stigma that they experienced watching trash enhancement shamans.
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Reroll something mainstream and over rated? No thanks what the hell is the fun in that?
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The parsings literally account for that, because you can check the gear of the shamans in the raid? It's easy to check if they're actually enhancement or not.

They can be 2nd after Warriors if the rest of your raid is severely outgeared by the Shaman or they're garbage players.

This is not some 'bullshit stigma' - This is literally facts, provided by guilds parsing their members. The very same parsings that show Feral druids can rival Warriors/rogues/mages/warlocks on meters. You're so much in denial at this point. There's literally websites dedicated to showing parsings of every class/spec and they tell the story just as I am here. And even after all this proof, you're still saying they're 2nd after warriors.

You have to be trolling at this point.
 
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