Lets Fix Our Bracket
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Twobuttons
Legend
I like this, and agree with most of it.
I haven't been playing in the bracket for 6 years. And it doesn't take a "i'm #1 pos" to figure it out.
Another big problem is the representative you have for this bracket is 21 years old. Until you look outside the box, and start accepting new players, this bracket will die. It may very well die when Panda's start roaming who knows. I have 53 19's in my guild, Couple weeks/months back I asked the leader of this bracket to host up my guild, was ignored. None of us are pro, none of us are "#1 world finger bangin 12 year olds". We wanted to play in this bracket and it wasn't acceptable. That's 53 people that don't que anymore.
Maybe one of you needs to step up and take the lead. I think it is to big of a task for a 21 year old eatin the PB&Jelly Sandwhiches all day.
(Hass)
Wizard of the ramp
Dorigon
Alpha and Omega
Blinka
Legend
This topic is a good topic to at least get people to stop and consider what would be good for the bracket.
The bracket needs more to actually DO what was suggested throughout this thread.
This is not an easy nor quick results type of undertaking. All I can say was since July 4 weekend in 2011 when we got stuck in the 2 hour que etc etc just to get both teams the same pop and into seperate games, we started taking the long road to fix some issues.
What we have done is to get everything in house under one roof for a twink. We are about to reach guild level 20 soon and have been playing end game pve, along with end game pvp. This has helped us find more new blood for our guild and a chance to introduce them to twinking.
The new blood that hasn't been introduced or reintroduced properly to twinking (ie: not being completely steamrolled in games, gy farmed, epeened on by lol's spits or worse) as they level up thru the brackets. Some have even turned xp off to realize xp off is a completely different ball game. The boa "twinks" as they are called, that want to dominate on someone rather than have a challenging game, quickly turn xp back on and move on thru.
We are taking this new life to the bracket and pointing them in the right direction to get properly geared. If they have an attention span longer than 10 secs, then you might get something across to them. Many will just fizzle out and not complete a toon. How we are getting around this obstacle is promoting 19 pvp activities in guild. This will become more frequent as we get closer to guild level 20. We have become more active as late as a guild in the 19s again and the bracket will begin to see more of us. As the members of the guild see and hear in voice chat, we are on 19s and getting into consistent games along with having fun with competitive games, they repick their twink in process to become involved again. There needs to be a supporting leadership to help get AGM and give gear runs. As you get enough, you can then start doing queing with 5 mans etc. Since wargames dont work well atm, you can practice at end game toons to find those gems to approach for premade status.
We are looking for more Horde to que up against and with thru realid 5 man groups and preform av enabler. You can find out when we host these activities in this thread here. http://www.twinkinfo.com/topic/29811-tired-of-the-wt-farmfest-look-here-updated/
TLDR: There is no quick fix to these problems troubling our bracket. It takes time to build up the numbers to find what you need in guild sometimes. How many are willing to do it?
The bracket needs more to actually DO what was suggested throughout this thread.
This is not an easy nor quick results type of undertaking. All I can say was since July 4 weekend in 2011 when we got stuck in the 2 hour que etc etc just to get both teams the same pop and into seperate games, we started taking the long road to fix some issues.
What we have done is to get everything in house under one roof for a twink. We are about to reach guild level 20 soon and have been playing end game pve, along with end game pvp. This has helped us find more new blood for our guild and a chance to introduce them to twinking.
The new blood that hasn't been introduced or reintroduced properly to twinking (ie: not being completely steamrolled in games, gy farmed, epeened on by lol's spits or worse) as they level up thru the brackets. Some have even turned xp off to realize xp off is a completely different ball game. The boa "twinks" as they are called, that want to dominate on someone rather than have a challenging game, quickly turn xp back on and move on thru.
We are taking this new life to the bracket and pointing them in the right direction to get properly geared. If they have an attention span longer than 10 secs, then you might get something across to them. Many will just fizzle out and not complete a toon. How we are getting around this obstacle is promoting 19 pvp activities in guild. This will become more frequent as we get closer to guild level 20. We have become more active as late as a guild in the 19s again and the bracket will begin to see more of us. As the members of the guild see and hear in voice chat, we are on 19s and getting into consistent games along with having fun with competitive games, they repick their twink in process to become involved again. There needs to be a supporting leadership to help get AGM and give gear runs. As you get enough, you can then start doing queing with 5 mans etc. Since wargames dont work well atm, you can practice at end game toons to find those gems to approach for premade status.
We are looking for more Horde to que up against and with thru realid 5 man groups and preform av enabler. You can find out when we host these activities in this thread here. http://www.twinkinfo.com/topic/29811-tired-of-the-wt-farmfest-look-here-updated/
TLDR: There is no quick fix to these problems troubling our bracket. It takes time to build up the numbers to find what you need in guild sometimes. How many are willing to do it?
Dorigon
Alpha and Omega
i realize ur just using this as another opportunity to say 'mgc #1', but here is some real talk: 99.9% of activity in this bracket is pugs, not premades. vast vast majority of ppl who q up for 19s exp off wsg dont give a rat's ass about premades. ur frustratiion is understandable but the avg person who qs for wsg in 15-19 exp off bracket is gonna say 'lol premades'.
pugs, not premades, drive the bracket's health. that is why blinka's plan of segregating himself and other willing participants from the bracket wont help either.
Blinka
Legend
The approach we have implemented is not segregating in one bit imo. By having to step back out of current activity to rebuild a stronger bracket and come back with more new blood and activity for pugs due to different time schedules people have is segregating please inform me how it is. Im all ears.
If anything it has helped the bracket get more active players on active twink servers. Many have been in Made in China in one form or another. Many have gone on to play with other guilds and are currently active and continue to play.
If anything it has helped the bracket get more active players on active twink servers. Many have been in Made in China in one form or another. Many have gone on to play with other guilds and are currently active and continue to play.
Twobuttons
Legend
I see what you're saying Dory. Like switching factions helped right? I presume as a MVP of the board you have a solution to fix the issue. I mean why create or follow a thread if you don't have constructive input on finding a solution or offering one.
Dorigon
Alpha and Omega
cuz im rly rly bored farming cobalt in borean tundra atm
and its amusing to watch ppl flail around aimlessly
not even convinced there is a problem atm - there have always been undergeared ppl qing up, it's part of life in exp off brackets
Twobuttons
Legend
Sneaky
Legend
I think one of the problems is the amount of undergeared people turning their exp off and calling themselves twinks. 95% of them are arrogant, and when you talk about their gear, they get all steamy and act like they could rip your throat out if they wanted to.
A second problem is that alliance needs MOAR HEALZORZ. Horde has 5x the amount of healers than we do and I mainly blame Blizz for this. Why? All the healer stuff (Especially HOLY PALLES) is on the horde side (shields, garrosh's pardon, etc.). This causes Alliance to hardly ever have any healers because anyone who wants to roll a healer is pretty much discouraged, or they will be undergeared anyways, unless they do a faction change (which only serious players do, and there aren't many of those). Last night i was in a BG where horde had 7 pallies - 6 of them were holy, 1 was ret, and the alliance team didn't have a single healer.
This.
A second problem is that alliance needs MOAR HEALZORZ. Horde has 5x the amount of healers than we do and I mainly blame Blizz for this. Why? All the healer stuff (Especially HOLY PALLES) is on the horde side (shields, garrosh's pardon, etc.). This causes Alliance to hardly ever have any healers because anyone who wants to roll a healer is pretty much discouraged, or they will be undergeared anyways, unless they do a faction change (which only serious players do, and there aren't many of those). Last night i was in a BG where horde had 7 pallies - 6 of them were holy, 1 was ret, and the alliance team didn't have a single healer.
This.
Tonkks
Tônks
The problem withen the bracket is not because of hunters, or lack of premades, or Pizza doing his thing all the time. I have played 19s since 2006-2007, and being farmed and farming the other team for 3 caps in 5 mins was just part of queueing up. It seems like it gets to peoples head over on ally side. Yes, im calling you out Hithere, Dory, Curley, and all the others that think if they faction to horde the games will be more fun. The players i mentioned are ones that,like myself, have been in and around this bracket for years. With them going horde, that fills up a few baddies to queue on ally side. You can say "oh you can teach them and better them for success", but when they zone in, be it a level 15 trying out the bracket or a BC twink logging on his Seargent for the first time in years; they get farmed. I dont know how many people ive seen enter WSG before the gates open "man, havnt logged on this guy in years, brings back memories!" and 5 mins into the game, afk out, never to be seen again.
If people actually care about this bracket, they would re roll heals/FCs ally side.
If people actually care about this bracket, they would re roll heals/FCs ally side.
Cannabis12
The One The Only
There just needs to be more Competive guilds i dont understand why people who are A-team caliber and arent on A-team for WT why the hell they would want to be there? Wt has more than enough people to field another premade guild if someone would only take the initative..... but that will never happen, People need to grow some balls, put yourself out there and make a guild.
and for the guilds who are premade ready but dont premade becasue you dont want to lose or you dont want **** posted on fourms afterwards, these people need to get a reality check if fourms matter so little to you/your guild then whats the problem with people posting SS's of premades???? imo showing the 19 community that premades are going on and keeping everyone updated only strengthens the bracket.
and for the guilds who are premade ready but dont premade becasue you dont want to lose or you dont want **** posted on fourms afterwards, these people need to get a reality check if fourms matter so little to you/your guild then whats the problem with people posting SS's of premades???? imo showing the 19 community that premades are going on and keeping everyone updated only strengthens the bracket.
cheatz
Legend
Here's how to fix twinking: Start a guild on a random server and recruit/fund players that arent well known to this site. Yes, you will find recruits. Yes, they will probably suck pretty bad, but so did we all 6 years ago.
If a bad/new player could join a xp off BG and completely rape ****, we would have a lot of new blood. This was one of the main attractions to twinking to begin with. You'd join, rape ****, get better gear, rape even more ****, then when you finally got BiS gear you could pretty much 1 shot anyone who attempted to fight you.
Nowadays, if you're not BiS or close to it, you're asking to get raped. When you join a game you are pitted against the most experienced players in the nation and most of these players are on Horde and often group up, leading to one sided games that make it hard for inexperienced players to have any fun whatsoever. It takes a while to get BiS too and for people that are new to the bracket, it can be pretty difficult to acquire the gear for the first time. Think about you're first time gearing a 19, it took a while didn't it?
We need to quit looking inward and start looking outward. Just because the person you're recruiting hasn't been posting on this site for years and isn't renowned as '1# X' doesn't mean that they won't be a cool person to hang out and play games with.
Look at the people on this site, everyone that is still posting on here has done something of significance for the twinking community in the past. We all know the gulch like a second home. We are all fully capable of starting new guilds. Think about it. What if we all went on a recruiting/funding/training crusade to try to raise our own twink armies to fight each other? WT, MGC, LSFTW, and any other twink guild that is still active all have charters FULL of potential guild leaders.
How about breaking out of you're comfort zones for the sake of the community rather than remaining in it and hoarding all the good players for the sake of your epeen?
I know you guys have mains. Ask skilled high level friends if they'd want to make a twink and help you form the best twink guild in the nation. I'm sure it will peak their enthusiasm.
EDIT: Also, recently the faction imbalance has been REALLY bad. Like, stupid bad. Why do you all feel the need to group up and go Horde to make games one-sided? Why should anyone on the Alliance que if they know they are going to lose before they even join a game? You're killing yourselves. I don't understand how this is fun for you guys. You must realize that at some point there will be no one to fight against and that char you spent 100 days + on farming achieves will be worthless. Right?
If a bad/new player could join a xp off BG and completely rape ****, we would have a lot of new blood. This was one of the main attractions to twinking to begin with. You'd join, rape ****, get better gear, rape even more ****, then when you finally got BiS gear you could pretty much 1 shot anyone who attempted to fight you.
Nowadays, if you're not BiS or close to it, you're asking to get raped. When you join a game you are pitted against the most experienced players in the nation and most of these players are on Horde and often group up, leading to one sided games that make it hard for inexperienced players to have any fun whatsoever. It takes a while to get BiS too and for people that are new to the bracket, it can be pretty difficult to acquire the gear for the first time. Think about you're first time gearing a 19, it took a while didn't it?
We need to quit looking inward and start looking outward. Just because the person you're recruiting hasn't been posting on this site for years and isn't renowned as '1# X' doesn't mean that they won't be a cool person to hang out and play games with.
Look at the people on this site, everyone that is still posting on here has done something of significance for the twinking community in the past. We all know the gulch like a second home. We are all fully capable of starting new guilds. Think about it. What if we all went on a recruiting/funding/training crusade to try to raise our own twink armies to fight each other? WT, MGC, LSFTW, and any other twink guild that is still active all have charters FULL of potential guild leaders.
How about breaking out of you're comfort zones for the sake of the community rather than remaining in it and hoarding all the good players for the sake of your epeen?
I know you guys have mains. Ask skilled high level friends if they'd want to make a twink and help you form the best twink guild in the nation. I'm sure it will peak their enthusiasm.
EDIT: Also, recently the faction imbalance has been REALLY bad. Like, stupid bad. Why do you all feel the need to group up and go Horde to make games one-sided? Why should anyone on the Alliance que if they know they are going to lose before they even join a game? You're killing yourselves. I don't understand how this is fun for you guys. You must realize that at some point there will be no one to fight against and that char you spent 100 days + on farming achieves will be worthless. Right?
19 warrior adeus
Legend
horde = fine
ally = bad
^this is true about 90% of the time
we need more active guilds to start recruiting more twinks and taking bad ones under their wings and help them get better
more premades would help to, but everyone is scared their gonna lose i say to that "who gives a ****?"
premade should be about trying your best and having fun not worrying about losing (doesnt matter anyway wt is gonna beat you
) <--see that, that was a joke, that means you laugh and not take it serious
ally = bad
^this is true about 90% of the time
we need more active guilds to start recruiting more twinks and taking bad ones under their wings and help them get better
more premades would help to, but everyone is scared their gonna lose i say to that "who gives a ****?"
premade should be about trying your best and having fun not worrying about losing (doesnt matter anyway wt is gonna beat you
(Hass)
Wizard of the ramp
I'm not sure you got the point, let me simplify it for you: MGC #1
Yao dewd my name is dorygoon. Don't you see my MVP title? It gives me a false sense of entitlement that I know what I'm talking about because I made a warlock guide. Get@me I rolled with MB so that too makes me think I know what I'm talking about. I cry about worgen survival hunters like it's my job and get on TI to be the pr rep for Waw Tawent because it's about all I can do from the bench.
pz
Dorigon
Alpha and Omega
chÃll
Legend
#1 issue with level 19 twinking atm. is that the influx of players is < than the outflux. there has always been farming, there have always been terribly geared people, and there have most certainly always been penus issues.
so lets take a look at whats forcing people out of the bracket:
lack of guidance
lack of community
lack of consistent quality gameplay.
now lets see whats bringing people INTO the bracket:
???
the main problem is, that the twinking bracket works abit like the UN. everybody sort of looks at america, waiting for them to say whats gonna happen, but in the end America is just shouting big words to cover over the fact that they ain't got their shi* together.
*product placement*
come on over to Qitbb @ Aszune, where Epeen is reserved for my homosexual tendencies and we _sincerely_ strive for more activity and less hate.
or stay wherever you are. peace.
so lets take a look at whats forcing people out of the bracket:
lack of guidance
lack of community
lack of consistent quality gameplay.
now lets see whats bringing people INTO the bracket:
???
the main problem is, that the twinking bracket works abit like the UN. everybody sort of looks at america, waiting for them to say whats gonna happen, but in the end America is just shouting big words to cover over the fact that they ain't got their shi* together.
*product placement*
come on over to Qitbb @ Aszune, where Epeen is reserved for my homosexual tendencies and we _sincerely_ strive for more activity and less hate.
or stay wherever you are. peace.