Johneffer's holy/prot/ret sets

[Llare]

because they know that I am indeed being successful in bgs! what are you trying to prove! and are you serious...

It's easy for a Holy Paladin to be successful in a BG. I'm trying to make sure, in tight situations, you have the best your class can give. Your gearset doesn't allow this. But the story of the overpowered Holys derping through BGs is a tale for another day.



Trying to have a debate, with your frankly childish comments and absurd attempts caused me mass rage irl, due to the fact I know what I'm talking is fact, plain and simple. We could get into the "MY DADS BIGGER THAN YOUR DAD" situation, talking about who's played Holy for the lengthiest amount of time. I know the answer; and your gear set, knowledge and approach to debate, seals my beliefs.

 

[Johneffer]

It's easy for a Holy Paladin to be successful in a BG. I'm trying to make sure, in tight situations, you have the best your class can give. Your gearset doesn't allow this. But the story of the overpowered Holys derping through BGs is a tale for another day.



Trying to have a debate, with your frankly childish comments and absurd attempts caused me mass rage irl, due to the fact I know what I'm talking is fact, plain and simple. We could get into the "MY DADS BIGGER THAN YOUR DAD" situation, talking about who's played Holy for the lengthiest amount of time. I know the answer; and your gear set, knowledge and approach to debate, seals my beliefs.

I disagreed with all of your statements, i will proceed on doing this until we see eye-to-eye.



i suggest we just stop commenting because the odds of us seeing eye-to-eye are highly unlikely.

 

[Llare]

I disagreed with all of your statements, i will proceed on doing this until we see eye-to-eye.



i suggest we just stop commenting because the odds of us seeing eye-to-eye are highly unlikely.

When you make a thread asking for ratings on your gear sets, and you make a video, please don't try and dismiss peoples opinions comments with "I don't think so". Only correct someone if they're OBVIOUSLY gearing wrong, like you, with the current rogue spree, were geared incorrectly. I tried to help. Open up man, feel the love.



It doesn't matter how well you do in whatever WSGs you do. That's your findings. You can't base an arguement/essay off simply your own findings, other peoples previous work must be examined and picked apart. You did no such thing, mainly due to my arguement being almost flawless. Regardless, even if you think that you've played Holy Paladin more than me, I was posting on this site, informing people on how to gear their Paladins.



Open your ears, and let sweet symphony fill your mind. Dude.

 

[Johneffer]

I have outhealed people that gear like you, i know it is more effective.

 

[Llare]

I have outhealed people that gear like you, i know it is more effective.

Overall Healing in BGs? /sigh.



Obviously a horrible set like yours is meant to "heal big". But it doesn't even accomplish that well. The reason, pre 4.0.1, that Holy Paladins were even useful, was there armor + Shield. They could run in, melee, with rogues or warriors and head them off. Being a cloth wielding paladin, you cannot. Survivability > Flat heals.



It was a common misconception in first time Holy Paladins, that putting talents in Divine Intellect was the way to go. It obviously was not, the 2 points obviously being better spent in Unyielding Faith, for the sheer reason of survivability. Sure, Divine Intellect gives you maybe more heals, but the survivability options are much stronger.



Thats what you need to focus on. Focusing on survivability, with the insane heals Holy Paladins have, already, makes you unkillable. And that's what you want. If you simply say "I disagree" then you are mad ignorant. I'm honestly doubting what "you know" is more "effective". That gear, is far from effective, any decent Holy Pal will say so.

 

[Mrcer]

Hey john, wasn't sure if I found any useful replys after the 3rd or 4th page of this topic, just wanted to give you my 3 cents on your healing gear.



I think you got a pretty good idea on what to gear for, however the thing that makes holy paladins better than other healers is they have an armor advantage vs melee classes, and since the most current patch, we now gain SP from Int gear which is a huge bonus for us. Since armor is our advantage, it's good to abuse it and not ignore it. Now it's true, in most cases, stats > armor for leather/cloth users and in some cases even paladin casters. Now I've twinked in plenty brackets from 19s to 60s and hopefully 69s too someday with my Holy Paladin, and not once have I never found this useful tip to be NOT helpful. Your armor rating wants to be no lower than 44% reduced melee damage. Having higher armor than that isn't a bad thing but you might be hurting your stats. In the 19 bracket, you usually will hit around 44-46% reduced melee damage if you have BiS healing gear.



Another thing I want to add, you should always have some hit rating which I didn't see that you had. In most cases, you will probably cast Hammer of Justice, Judgement, even holy shock(on the enemy) from time to time, and melee hits in a WSG. So it never hurts to put on some hit rating gear.



I went ahead and made you this gear guide and I hope this will be helpful to you. Use it if you will, but imo(others might disagree) this is the BiS gear for a holy paladin.





Head: [Lucky Fishing Hat]

Neck: Sentinel's Medallion

Shoulders: [Pristine Lightforge Spaulders]

Back: [Spidersilk Drape]

Chest: [Mystical Vest of Elements]

Wrist: [Fortified Bracers of the Eagle]

Hands: [Jutebraid Gloves] (Requires Faction Change)

Belt: [Earthbound Girdle of the Sorcerer]

Legs: [Grunt's Legguards of the Eagle]

Feet: [Spidersilk Boots]

Ring1:[Seal of Wrynn]

Ring2:[Lavishly Jeweled Ring]

Trinket1:[Arena Grand Master]

Trinket2:[Arena Grand Master]

Main Hand: [Devout Aurastone Hammer]

Shield: [Arctic Buckler]



I'll leave the enchantments for you to decide since some enchantments are opinion-based.



I hope this was helpful and I wish you happy gaming

 

[lindenkron]

Evening Johneffer.



Please refrain from double posting as it is not necessary. If you feel some information have been left out and your post is still the last post, please use the 'edit' button and add the additional information



On the topic; I don't think he's just cheering for a "mod" as you state it John. Please don't use ranks in a discussion where it has no relevance. You asked for opinions since it's in Rate a Twink (as I mentioned earlier) so I gave you the reason for my gear, why those stats are favoured amongst Holy Paladins (in EU) and why it's better. If you don't like that type of paladin, that is all right. But please don't use my rank as an excuse



Best regards,

 

[examinerEU]

(Didnt read past page 2 of flames i got bored)

Im no pala expert but personally you seem to have a little too much cloth on your gear; the crystalline sp got changed so now you have spirit and 3/3 stam int. You can get 3/3 mail bracers which would provide more use to a paladin.

The darkweave breeches could be nice if you lack intellect; but i have dueled loads of hpalas in the hope i could oom them while kiting; this is a dream. Hpalas never oom so the int shouldnt be a problem; also once again the spirit isnt really useful as a paladin. You could go smelting pants for the crit and stam or 5/5 mail eagle leggings.

Wanted to know why the butcher slicer though; is it just lack of JP for the boa mace?

Now i dont have a paladin in 4.0.1 but ive been working on making one for a while now; therefore these conclusions are just my judgement.



The goldfecked gloves/jutebraids 5 stamina isnt worth the 50-60 armour loss imo. With more armour you could reduce the damage taken (maybe reduce it by the 50 that you could gain from the cloth). The cloth with more stam just seems like you want the high numbers on a stat basis.

 

[Vincent]

Evening Johneffer.



Please refrain from double posting as it is not necessary. If you feel some information have been left out and your post is still the last post, please use the 'edit' button and add the additional information



On the topic; I don't think he's just cheering for a "mod" as you state it John. Please don't use ranks in a discussion where it has no relevance. You asked for opinions since it's in Rate a Twink (as I mentioned earlier) so I gave you the reason for my gear, why those stats are favoured amongst Holy Paladins (in EU) and why it's better. If you don't like that type of paladin, that is all right. But please don't use my rank as an excuse



Best regards,

Morning Lindenkron.



Please refrain from making every US player think that your "armor above all"-set is what is favoured amongst all Holy Paladins (in EU), as it is not. You make us all look bad.



Best regards,

 

[Llare]

Morning Lindenkron.



Please refrain from making every US player think that your "armor above all"-set is what is favoured amongst all Holy Paladins (in EU), as it is not. You make us all look bad.



Best regards,

It is favoured. Or should be. Phonebook, Jaxel, Saku, Fhayr and Bollo all use armor heavy sets. That's all the evidence you need.



They're the only Holy Paladins you should be paying attention to, gear wise. They played Holy Pal pre 4.0.1 and are all skilled individually in both WSG and Arena aspect.

 

[lindenkron]

Morning Lindenkron.



Please refrain from making every US player think that your "armor above all"-set is what is favoured amongst all Holy Paladins (in EU), as it is not. You make us all look bad.



Best regards,

Funny



I said stats, not specifically armor. Armor is favoured amongst most good and respected paladins in EU (You can disagree if you wish, you're entitled to). I'd put armor/stamina/intellect as top 3 stats, regardless of order, for a Holy Paladin.



"You make us all look bad." oh snap mate! I said that most Holy Paladins prefer 3 stats on a paladin.. This makes EU look terrible, and it is totally unacceptable. (Not really)



Best regards,

 

[Vincent]

It is favoured. Or should be. Phonebook, Jaxel, Saku, Fhayr and Bollo all use armor heavy sets. That's all the evidence you need.

First off, never heard of neither Phonebook, Saku nor Fhayr. So I figured I would look them up, Phonebook running around with Engineer's Cloak, lost his credibility right there. Cant find anyone called Saku, and Fhayr is in protection set (with 114 herbalism, hardcore). And Bollo is using Jutebraid gloves instead of armor gloves, as he knows what he's doing and doesnt just blindly go for armor.



Point proven?

 

[lindenkron]

First off, never heard of neither Phonebook, Saku or Fhayr. So I figured I would look them up, Phonebook running around with Engineer's Cloak, lost his credibility right there. Cant find anyone called Saku, and Fhayr is in protection set (with 114 herbalism, hardcore). And Bollo is using Jutebraid gloves instead of armor gloves, as he knows what he's doing.



Point proven?

Phonebook is probably best Paladin EU. Just shows how much you know right there (If you don't know Phonebook, you lose credibility just by stating you don't know who he is).

So ye.. Enough said..

 

[Vincent]

Phonebook is probably best Paladin EU.

So why arent you running off to get Engineer's Cloak since your idol has it? btw u mad?

 

[lindenkron]

So why arent you running off to get Engineer's Cloak since your idol has it? btw u mad?

I'm mega mad

I just prefer 3 stamina over 2 intellect. Personal preference?



Sup with the hostile attitude? You the one who be mad bro?

 

[Vincent]

I'm mega mad

I just prefer 3 stamina over 2 intellect. Personal preference?

3 stamina over 2 intellect isnt personal preference dont make me laugh, especially after hearing you go on and on about how much armor and health matters because of the high damage (and how holy paladins never oom). So when the best paladin according to you does something that's waay off, then its all cause of personal preference, but when you've tricked like 3 guys into going with your armor-above-all-set then thats whats best and whats "prefered amongst Holy Paladins (in EU)".



btw, you do realize he could get the tumultuous cloak of the sorcerer and lose 1 stamina and get 2 intellect and 4 spellpower, or better yet spidersilk drape with -1 stamina +1 intellect and +4 hit.

Sup with the hostile attitude? You the one who be mad bro?

Only thing you could possibly see as hostile would be my valid points.





Of course everyone has got their own personal opinion which I fully understand and cherish (which is one of the reasons I, unlike many others, dont just link my armory as soon as someone asks for advice), I much rather point out different options and help people make up their own mind. But dont run around speaking on behalf of the entire EU scene just to spread your message. Wanna leave it at that or keep going?

 

[Llare]

3 stamina over 2 intellect isnt personal preference dont make me laugh, especially after hearing you go on and on about how much armor and health matters because of the high damage (and how holy paladins never oom). So when the best paladin according to you does something that's waay off, then its all cause of personal preference, but when you've tricked like 3 guys into going with your armor-above-all-set then thats whats best and whats "prefered amongst Holy Paladins (in EU)".



btw, you do realize he could get the tumultuous cloak of the sorcerer and lose 1 stamina and get 2 intellect and 4 spellpower, or better yet spidersilk drape with -1 stamina +1 intellect and +4 hit.





Only thing you could possibly see as hostile would be my valid points.





Of course everyone has got their own personal opinion which I fully understand and cherish (which is one of the reasons I, unlike many others, dont just link my armory as soon as someone asks for advice), I much rather point out different options and help people make up their own mind. But dont run around speaking on behalf of the entire EU scene just to spread your message. Wanna leave it at that or keep going?

You've picked out some "flaws" with individuals gear, but some of it comes down to personal preference still. We aren't talking about Darkweave Breeches or anything SUPER visibly wrong.



You can ask anyone in the entire EU Community who Phonebook is, and they SHOULD know. He's the best Paladin FC, unquestioned. As far as I can remember, from previous sets, he has a Tumultous Cloak of the Sorc, so that's not a problem.



Learn your names/facts, please; to think that you didn't know every name on that list sickens me, as it should any well informed EU player. This isn't just some circle jerk, these are well accepted norms within the entire EU community. Don't be so naive.

 

[Vincent]

You've picked out some "flaws" with individuals gear, but some of it comes down to personal preference still. We aren't talking about Darkweave Breeches or anything SUPER visibly wrong.

And I havent defended anything "super visibly wrong", Engineer's Cloak however is obviously not about personal preference either.

You can ask anyone in the entire EU Community who Phonebook is, and they SHOULD know. He's the best Paladin FC, unquestioned. As far as I can remember, from previous sets, he has a Tumultous Cloak of the Sorc, so that's not a problem.

Makes no sense, the point of saying "ask anyone" is that they will know, not that they should.

Learn your names/facts, please; to think that you didn't know every name on that list sickens me, as it should any well informed EU player. This isn't just some circle jerk, these are well accepted norms within the entire EU community. Don't be so naive.

This thread was about gear not about knowing every nobody that happens to play in your guild, sounds to me like you are one of those names hahaha, if you're not then I guess you dont mind showing your armory huh? butthurt much?

 

[Llare]

And I havent defended anything "super visibly wrong", Engineer's Cloak however is obviously not about personal preference either.







Makes no sense, the point of saying "ask anyone" is that they will know, not that they should.







This thread was about gear not about knowing every nobody that happens to play in your guild, sounds to me like you are one of those names hahaha, if you're not then I guess you dont mind showing your armory huh? butthurt much?

Well if they don't know, then they're uninformed/new. To comment on someone's gear you need perspective, to get perspective, you need to find and share your information with other people, this is how BiS lists get formed. These people are in no guild of mine, yet it has been established, through said individuals, that armor is the way foward. They are, without a doubt, the best, and most well known Holy Paladins EU. Please stop talking trash and trying to provoke something.

 

[Vincent]

Well if they don't know, then they're uninformed/new. To comment on someone's gear you need perspective, to get perspective, you need to find and share your information with other people, this is how BiS lists get formed. These people are in no guild of mine, yet it has been established, through said individuals, that armor is the way foward. They are, without a doubt, the best, and most well known Holy Paladins EU. Please stop talking trash and trying to provoke something.

If there now was so much information sharing and BiS list forming going on, shouldnt atleast two of your "best Holy Paladins EU" have the same gear? Oh snap



Most well known, maybe. Best, hardly.