Johneffer's holy/prot/ret sets

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Startled said:
Terrible song... just terrible...
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I will take your opinion when you dont make your avatar a picture of a cartoon net work show.
 
Johneffer said:
Crystalline cuffs is 3int 3stam 2 spirit and why 9 stam on yours.

why savage trodders, spider silk is 8 stam and 7 intell.

8 stam to cloak o_O

why blood ring O_O

Defender gauntlets of the eagle with 16 sp opposed to gold flecked gloves with 9 stam and 6 intell.

I could see how your shoulders are going to be BiS in cata but arent right now imo

10 stam belt

7 stam to your artic buckler, i like vitality

darkweave breaches are better imo





im sorry, im just trying to prove my point.
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2 spirit, near useless, you don't Oom. Armor, much more useful. 9 Stam provides more base health, and with the rapid spikes in health in this bracket, the extra health can be the deciding factor in success or death.



Again, Armor>Stam>Int+Spirit, makes Seal of Sylvannus+Seal of Wyrnn better; obviously Blood Ring if you can;t FC for Opposite Seals.



You don't need incredible amounts of Int. You don't oom, nor does it increase your spells healing incredibly well. Armor, with all the rogues in the bracket currently, makes Savage Trodders better for surviving with melees.



Gloves are already in discussion.



Shoulders, again, for the armor.



Belt, Armor>Stam>Int>SP.



4mp5 is pretty much worthless currently. You don't oom, unless you're doing Holy wrong; which shouldn't ever happen, ever. 7 Stam is better.



Darkweave Breeches are filth, always have been. Spirit has been an awful Stat for Holy Paladins for an age. They're Cloth. There's absolutely no reason to use them over Grunt's/Defender's Leggings of the Eagle.



Don't want to sound awful; but the boundries+guidelines for Holy Paladins have been set out. To ignore them and gear as to what you think is "best" defeats the purpose of BiS, still under discussion, and is disregarding much more valid reasons than just "I don't agree". This is all tryin' to be nice and contructive still haha.



You might not have the gold etc to reenchant/search for items. But, even back in 3.3.5, your gear was far from, what was established as, the best.



Jus' trying to help.
 
I still value armor and I don't have access to Jutebraids not being horde (as mentioned). - Could go with Gold-flecked gloves but these works for me. I'm a dmg reduction freak, so shoot me!
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5 stam will also be better then 60-70 armor.



Back on topic: Nice sets John! lol
 
Llare said:
2 spirit, near useless, you don't Oom. Armor, much more useful. 9 Stam provides more base health, and with the rapid spikes in health in this bracket, the extra health can be the deciding factor in success or death.



Again, Armor>Stam>Int+Spirit, makes Seal of Sylvannus+Seal of Wyrnn better; obviously Blood Ring if you can;t FC for Opposite Seals.



You don't need incredible amounts of Int. You don't oom, nor does it increase your spells healing incredibly well. Armor, with all the rogues in the bracket currently, makes Savage Trodders better for surviving with melees.



Gloves are already in discussion.



Shoulders, again, for the armor.



Belt, Armor>Stam>Int>SP.



4mp5 is pretty much worthless currently. You don't oom, unless you're doing Holy wrong; which shouldn't ever happen, ever. 7 Stam is better.



Darkweave Breeches are filth, always have been. Spirit has been an awful Stat for Holy Paladins for an age. They're Cloth. There's absolutely no reason to use them over Grunt's/Defender's Leggings of the Eagle.



Don't want to sound awful; but the boundries+guidelines for Holy Paladins have been set out. To ignore them and gear as to what you think is "best" defeats the purpose of BiS, still under discussion, and is disregarding much more valid reasons than just "I don't agree". This is all tryin' to be nice and contructive still haha.



You might not have the gold etc to reenchant/search for items. But, even back in 3.3.5, your gear was far from, what was established as, the best.



Jus' trying to help.
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I have the gold and everything needed to get your opinion in best in slot. But its false and I wont change my armor for what you have to say, lol. I have the gear, don't like it. Not using it.
 
Johneffer said:
I have the gold and everything needed to get your opinion in best in slot. But its false and I wont change my armor for what you have to say, lol. I have the gear, don't like it. Not using it.
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Other people have said the same thing.



Don't post if you're not going to regard what is obviously correct.
 
Johneffer said:
vice versa.
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No one has supported your cloth filled Holy set. It's wrong.



You have stated nothing in arguement, except "I don't agree". The items you did state, were countered with valid information that you should take into account considering that an incorrectly geared GM leads to raised eyebrows. If you think your gear is correct, which it isn't, you could convince some more hapless fools to gear incorrectly. That isn't good leadership.



Step down off your high horse and realise you're wrong, sir.
 
Llare said:
No one has supported your cloth filled Holy set. It's wrong.



You have stated nothing in arguement, except "I don't agree". The items you did state, were countered with valid information that you should take into account considering that an incorrectly geared GM leads to raised eyebrows. If you think your gear is correct, which it isn't, you could convince some more hapless fools to gear incorrectly. That isn't good leadership.



Step down off your high horse and realise you're wrong, sir.
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Let me open your eyes.
 
Llare said:
No one has supported your cloth filled Holy set. It's wrong.



You have stated nothing in arguement, except "I don't agree". The items you did state, were countered with valid information that you should take into account considering that an incorrectly geared GM leads to raised eyebrows. If you think your gear is correct, which it isn't, you could convince some more hapless fools to gear incorrectly. That isn't good leadership.



Step down off your high horse and realise you're wrong, sir.
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Yeah, and my avatar is awesome. So john is just high or somthing.
 
Johneffer said:
Let me open your eyes.
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This set is more effective on D where you would be healing a Fc or something, the health is still nice (1500 - 1600) which is reasonable against a 2 ambush attack. instant heals are the reason why i keep that set, if it wasn't what it is i would trash it. I guess it is also viable for O also. I know how to play paladins, i know that that set rarely fails. Trust me, I know what im doing for the most part, lol.
 
Armor>Stam>Int+Spirit
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Uhhh, not really true.



Anyways Llare can I get a link to your holy paladin please? I hope you're not just giving advice without first person experience.



Thanks!
 
Eliot said:
Uhhh, not really true.



Anyways Llare can I get a link to your holy paladin please? I hope you're not just giving advice without first person experience.



Thanks!
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I second that, going with a mod doesn't make it true, lol.
 
Johneffer said:
This set is more effective on D where you would be healing a Fc or something, the health is still nice (1500 - 1600) which is reasonable against a 2 ambush attack. instant heals are the reason why i keep that set, if it wasn't what it is i would trash it. I guess it is also viable for O also. I know how to play paladins, i know that that set rarely fails. Trust me, I know what im doing for the most part, lol.
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As a Holy Paladin you should be Flag Carrying. If it's a Prot Pally FCing, or a Druid, they're much easier to kill with a group than a Holy Paladin is. Holys have the best survivability. Sets should never deviate to Cloth, because you aren't Flag Carrying. Think of the melee presence their O might have. The more mitigation you have, the less panic buttons+cooldowns you'll be mashing, and it'll let you do your job easier. If you're forced to cast a FoL while in D; with the amount of rogues running around, you SHOULD be dead.



Holy Paladins like you drop instantly if you get HoJd, ASd or CSd without CDs. If you can increase your chance to survive under these conditions, you take it. Cloth, SP and high Int will not increase this. It might make your burst healing a TINY bit better. But in all honesty, it just isn't worth it.



If that was your set pre 4.0.1, then I'm afraid I doubt your ability to play Holy Paladin.
 
Llare said:
As a Holy Paladin you should be Flag Carrying. If it's a Prot Pally FCing, or a Druid, they're much easier to kill with a group than a Holy Paladin is. Holys have the best survivability. Sets should never deviate to Cloth, because you aren't Flag Carrying. Think of the melee presence their O might have. The more mitigation you have, the less panic buttons+cooldowns you'll be mashing, and it'll let you do your job easier. If you're forced to cast a FoL while in D; with the amount of rogues running around, you SHOULD be dead.



Holy Paladins like you drop instantly if you get HoJd, ASd or CSd without CDs. If you can increase your chance to survive under these conditions, you take it. Cloth, SP and high Int will not increase this. It might make your burst healing a TINY bit better. But in all honesty, it just isn't worth it.



If that was your set pre 4.0.1, then I'm afraid I doubt your ability to play Holy Paladin.
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no, we didnt ask for that. we want to know who your holy paladin is.
 
Eliot said:
Uhhh, not really true.



Anyways Llare can I get a link to your holy paladin please? I hope you're not just giving advice without first person experience.



Thanks!
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That should be the general guideline. Obviously items with over the top stats, such as Jutebraid, need to be considered. With rogues derping around, Arc Mages or Prot Pallys having you in their target (as they should) and the general OTT damage (fury warriors, and all the other burst) you need to make sure you survive these lockout periods.



I'll pass. I've provided enough detail to assure my experience.
 
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