Kaxle
OG
If only this were true, but alas we've been cursed with the content of this thread
Is this really bannable??
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Spazzrella
Member
I'm not that friend, but I was doing the same exact thing. I've stopped (I leveled 14 toons to 80 on Monday, haven't touched it since) just to be safe. I have over 300 toons 70+, and managed to get 146 of them to 80 prior to the ban. I'm not banned, but going to dial it back a bit and see what eventually flushed out.
thefatgoblin
Veteran
i strongly belive the bans are related to disruption in the game experience of other players, imagine if you're running dungeons all day and if you get reported 1 time each 3 dungeons, it wont take much time for it to reach a specific threshold, i also strongly belive the entire automated system bans are related to the increase of a specific type of report matching a specific type of criteria, every case i see of the bans, they were running "public runs"
Etchy
New Member
I've done the same spread over 7 accounts and got 240 of my chars from 70 to 80 since december. Sometimes 8, sometimes 12 a day with a day or two pause in between.
Never queued up my level 11 char with randoms only in groups with my own chars.
I wrote an addon on my own selecting the roles when queueing up for timewalking dungeons, auto accept group invites and inviting all online guild members.
Not banned, even if a lot of red lights should go on - according to the speculations.
There are lots of exploits out there for level boosting. I was curious how some boost a level 70 char to 80 within 20 minutes. One was to have a trial char within the group in MOP TW as you only got to Scholomance when queueing up and as a DH you were able to complete this dungeon within 40 seconds. I'm pretty sure those guys have been banned too as they moved through walls etc.
Edit: TBC also have some "wall hacks" as a DH completing a dungeon within one or two minutes or even shorter.
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Spazzrella
Member
100% agree, it's why I never ran my 11 with any one other than myself. I saw the hatred early on in timewalking when I didn't even have my 11's yet.
Zly
Grandfathered
These bans are nothing to do with any in game exploit, addon, macro or whatever. They clearly state what bans are for. Here is my example of a ban for in game exploits
Account Action: Suspended until 2024/09/13
Offense: Exploitation of game mechanics
Recent activity on this account has shown characters exploiting functionality to the detriment of the game environment or the intended player experience.
These bans are for botting. Here is the OP's reason given from Bliz.
"Offense: Exploitative Activity: Unauthorized Cheat Programs (Hacks)"
That is only using programs outside of wow to change game files or automate gameplay
Once again i feel bad for the innocent people caught up in this but you have been indentified as botting and is why its a perma ban
Account Action: Suspended until 2024/09/13
Offense: Exploitation of game mechanics
Recent activity on this account has shown characters exploiting functionality to the detriment of the game environment or the intended player experience.
These bans are for botting. Here is the OP's reason given from Bliz.
"Offense: Exploitative Activity: Unauthorized Cheat Programs (Hacks)"
That is only using programs outside of wow to change game files or automate gameplay
Once again i feel bad for the innocent people caught up in this but you have been indentified as botting and is why its a perma ban
wackytabaccy
Member
People were publicly abusing wallhacking back into the boss, saw that countless times myself. On my non pimped out toons we can full clear a run in -10mins. I just don't see the fun in that at all.. phasing in, jumping on a wall and running straight to the boss.
thefatgoblin
Veteran
i mean, if you're reported for cheating enough to get caugh by the automated system, isn't that after all the result for disrupting the game experience of others? Sure we can get technical but from the perspective of the player who is reporting, he clicks on "report > cheating > hacking / botting" there is only these 2 options, if you have lots of reports from "hacking", then probably the reason u get banned is for "hacking"
i know blizzard change they instance on bans for botting, as i said i took many 6 month bans, but after a while, they started to perma-ban insta, that's one of the reasons i stopped, it wasn't worth the risk, so i'm not surprised if it escalated to this
i know blizzard change they instance on bans for botting, as i said i took many 6 month bans, but after a while, they started to perma-ban insta, that's one of the reasons i stopped, it wasn't worth the risk, so i'm not surprised if it escalated to this
Zly
Grandfathered
yes, sort of. Wow is the same at any level. By that i mean a mythiced out toon can come in and disrupt a timewalking dungeon same as a twinked out 11. Timewalking isn't content for anyone that actually plays the game. The difference is if a mythiced out toon comes in and destroys a tw instance people can understand that. When it's a level 11 that has spent countless hours gearing they don't understand that. In their mind that has to be hacking.
Edit: But to be clear being able to destroy an instance on a level 11 is not hacking, botting, using third party software
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Chops
Soccer Dad
normally i would counsel not opening any more because they do tend to get spicy with you and threaten action. But at this point, what are they going to do, ban you? Just stay polite, maybe say something like "I've reviewed the TOS and EULA and am confident that my behavior did not violate either the letter or the sprit of those agreements" and cross your fingers
cletus
Member
IME there are at least 20 people who appreciate the faster clears for every person who starts perl-clutching about the integrity of Timewalking.
But I really don't want to deal with that, which led me to 5-manning my own groups or, in the very least, 3-manning so I can't be vote-kicked.
The multiboxing policy at least is pretty clear. You can multibox. You can't input broadcast, meaning a single keystroke or mouse action can't be broadcast to 2 or more clients.
It may or may not be related to reports but I think the key issue was bypassing the XP debuff.
Zly
Grandfathered
From my dealings with them i agree that you're fighting a losing battle. They just send out those generic responses without any kind of review or appeal process.
But, from their last quarterly review they said it's costs them $80 for every ticket, so i say get your monies worth. Maybe you can make them put another reskin mount in the store.
But, from their last quarterly review they said it's costs them $80 for every ticket, so i say get your monies worth. Maybe you can make them put another reskin mount in the store.
Rahn
Member
I figure why not track what commonalities people have (for the ones that provide info anyways) across various threads.
Clearly not enough information to figure anything too meaningful, outside that macros in of themselves probably isn't a flag, and that there's not much evidence for add-ons being the cause either (and I doubt anyone is going to admit to using third party software).
Perhaps the most important piece of information that none of us have access to is how many times any given account has been reported or flagged for botting/hacking/cheating. While we know other people can report others, we don't know how Blizzard itself goes about flagging accounts for such behaviors. It's probably automated, so even if you don't interact with other people in the slightest you still might be accumulating dings on your account without your knowledge.
| Multiple Accounts | Add-Ons | Macros | PUG | XP Debuff Dodge | Boosting | Instance Reset |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| ✓ | weakaura | X | ✓ | ✓ | ||
| ✓ | X | ✓ | ||||
| ✓ | X | |||||
| X | X | X | X | ✓ | ||
| ✓ | X | X | X | ✓ | ||
| X | X | ✓ | ||||
| X | ✓ | |||||
| X | X | ✓ | ||||
| ✓ | X | ✓ |
Clearly not enough information to figure anything too meaningful, outside that macros in of themselves probably isn't a flag, and that there's not much evidence for add-ons being the cause either (and I doubt anyone is going to admit to using third party software).
Perhaps the most important piece of information that none of us have access to is how many times any given account has been reported or flagged for botting/hacking/cheating. While we know other people can report others, we don't know how Blizzard itself goes about flagging accounts for such behaviors. It's probably automated, so even if you don't interact with other people in the slightest you still might be accumulating dings on your account without your knowledge.
Spazzrella
Member
I think it's probably good to separate out boosting your own toons vs boosting others. There's some believe that boosting others for gold / cash (RMT) factored in as well.
Rahn
Member
The data point is there already: Multiple Accounts + Boosting vs Boosting.
Additionally if they're running with the XP debuff then the "Boosting" is basically speedrunning the dungeon for quests/items and not levels.
That said there's not enough data to make any real conclusions about the recent banwave and the flags it was looking for.
drake178
Member
Nah, man. I can't contest your title. Even if I would have had aspirations to, the level requirement disqualified my chars. Also, I only really care about sustained movement (all-out farming or boss-to-boss repeated), so anything with a cooldown on it is, strictly speaking, not within my game. There are outliers like Felfire Haste and Forestwalk, but I tend to find that I can't be bothered to fully utilise them. Anyway, I never intended to derail the thread, so I'll shut up now.
thefatgoblin
Veteran
i'll personally boost myself in other means, probably with level 20 or 70 after the dust settles
