SavageTink
Legend
I see that crusader is still giving 100 strength which seems extremely unbalanced in the 19 bracket, is it bugged?
Is Crusader Bugged?
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Tom Ganks
Guest
No. It's been that way for multiple xpacs.
Chainz
DND
It should've been nerfed this xpac cus' the tooltip since prepatch is saying it should give 33 str and a 37 heal on procc and it's obviously not giving that. Unless the tooltip's been that way before bfa, but I'm pretty sure it said 100 str and 100 heal before.
Lateraldrop
Grandfathered
It is giving 100 str and healing for 100 but even w this none of the strength classes are considered top tier. At least at this braket even in its current state it is far from OP.
Blackberryy
TBC Classic
Yeah I’m pretty sure crusader does not give 100 str to you. On my 70 warrior it gives like 22
[doublepost=1544398635,1544398621][/doublepost]Tool tip is not the same as actual stats given
[doublepost=1544398635,1544398621][/doublepost]Tool tip is not the same as actual stats given
Chainz
DND
Well 61 and above gets less and less str from crusader. 60 and lower was normally always 100 str, but on a 20 rn for example it says 33 str so ye pretty sure it should've been nerfed this xpac, but they fucked it up again.
Warglave
Veteran
Reduced effect above 60. Always was.
edit- it also seems to stack multiple procs if dual-wielding it, don't recall if that was always the case, however.
Lateraldrop
Grandfathered
Even if you would consider it bugged why report it? 'Sader is not brokenly powerful if anything it is the only thing keeping some of the strength classes somewhat viable at this level. If you report it up and get it changed the only thing that will happen is the people that were playing semi-viable off meta will likely roll out more balance druids, R sham, and MW monks. This bracket is not seeing a plague of furry warriors or weapon swaping ret pala/arms taking everything over because their unstoppable chant.
I hope this doesn't change even if it is not working as they intended it to.
I hope this doesn't change even if it is not working as they intended it to.
Chainz
DND
I don't know if you have played 20-29, 30-39 and above, but they're retarded there since they have more than 2 buttons to press. It's not because it's not crazy in 1 bracket that it isn't crazy in the others.
Blackberryy
TBC Classic
I understand it’s always been lower, but it’s never been 22 str lower
Warglave
Veteran
Really? Cuz I thought I recalled it being almost useless at 64 when the bracket was 60-64... Could be mistaken tho.
Blackberryy
TBC Classic
It was never that weak, so either bfa is just bfa or it was nerfed
SavageTink
Legend
Hmm, very interesting. I guess it's working as intended then? I mean, I'm not complaining as my main twink is a 19 warrior but it was just weird to me since the tool tip said a different amount. And you can definitely get 2 crusader procs, on my 29 fury war in BC I used to get 4 crusader procs by switching weps LOL
Lateraldrop
Grandfathered
I have, and they are. idk if you noticed this thread was in the 10-19 bracket or not but i went ahead and responded to OP who voiced concern about it being specifically too powerful at this level. This thread specifically WAS talking about 1 bracket and not the others so..
I play 29 and 39 and fury warrior specifically is very strong, but i really don't think they oppressively strong compared to other twinks even then. They have very strong dmg but nothing that would far outshine any of the other strong classes (boomkin, mage) They offer very little utility that hybrid classes have available to them. And again, if Sader was nerfed they would fall off of the face of the earth. If sader didn't exist as 100 str the classes that currently use it would not even be playable. Even outside of this bracket i would rather not see a 'Sader nerf.
Chainz
DND
It doesn't matter that it's posted in the 10-19 section cus' "it being bugged or not" and "nerfing it or not" concerns every bracket below 60 and not just this 1. It is very retarded at 29/39 and saying that balance/mage are retarded and therefore it shouldn't be nerfed is a bad arguement.
Lateraldrop
Grandfathered
Blanace/arcane/rogue/rsham/Disc/Spreist/Hunter(MM and surv @29) all of these are JUST as viable as Fury warrior who is unarguably the greatest offender.
Also, read op
1) is it bugged?
2) Seems extreamly unbalanced in the 19 bracket.
Welp, looks like this thread is talking about the 10-19 bracket to me.
Are there other discussions to be had? sure, I am activly engaging with you in off topic stuff about other brackets; but that doesn't make this thread or OP's post about balance in any other brackets.
Also, read op
Looks like this thread is talking about two things.
1) is it bugged?
2) Seems extreamly unbalanced in the 19 bracket.
Welp, looks like this thread is talking about the 10-19 bracket to me.
Are there other discussions to be had? sure, I am activly engaging with you in off topic stuff about other brackets; but that doesn't make this thread or OP's post about balance in any other brackets.
Chops
Soccer Dad
Crusader gives 100 str and heals for round about 100 at all brackets below 60
Players can stack multiple crusader procs. Fury warriors running a simple weapon swap macro can stack 4 procs pretty easily. I'm not sure if more are possible but it stands to reason that it is, though its wildly unlikely.
Players can stack multiple crusader procs. Fury warriors running a simple weapon swap macro can stack 4 procs pretty easily. I'm not sure if more are possible but it stands to reason that it is, though its wildly unlikely.
Fury warriors are pug stompers in 39 but in a competitive environment they arent as desired as boomkin and arcane mages. This doesnt necessarily mean Crusader isnt busted (it is) but rather that its busted-ness doesnt overly advantage warriors. They're still free HKs for the capable boomy.
Chainz
DND
Fury warriors are not as good in the wargames scene because it's a caster meta and I know that cus' I play wargames myself in multiple brackets. I'm looking at it from a pug perspective and what I'm saying is that since he plays 29s and 39s he should know it needs a fix. If he only played 19s I'd get why he doesn't want it fixed cus' of bias towards his only bracket, but he plays 29s/39s to so he should know it needs a fix even tho it's not OP at 19s.