Hunters lol
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allahkazam
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don't worry. you can queue like 1 or 2 games a week from horde side and still claim to play both. it's the plan that i'm putting into motion whenever i gear my mage.
Willyshatner
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Daydra, are you paraphrasing me?
I think Hailshot is 100% correct. It isn't the fact that there's 4-6 hunters in the game spread between both sides, it's the fact that horde are either not in vent, or not saying anything meaningful or productive in vent.
Welcome to Detox take #2, where the majority of alliance players queuing up are extremely familiar with higher level play, where they coordinate in vent all the things that are vital to winning games. Including but not limited to: Where the FC is, where the EFC is, which target needs to be focused down, which target(s) are being CCed, who needs a dispel, ect, ect, ect.
Contrast that to horde, and it isn't hard to figure out why the alliance 5-6 man offense can rip apart the horde team without much effort. Blame it on hunters. Blame it on Doomhammer kids. Blame it on hordies wanting to switch to their alliance players so they can play with people who are at least competent and cognitive of what's going on.
Blame it on whatever you want to, but the fact remains that horde isn't going to be doing anything but rezzing at the spirit healer if they don't get in vent and learn how to communicate.
Example: If you have 6 people on offense who are calling out a focus target, that person is going to DIE, and here's why:
1. the other team will not be able to peel quickly enough to keep that person up, especially if they don't have people in vent to call the peel, or hear the peel called and assist.
2. the other team will not be able to focus heals effectively enough to keep that person up, especially if they don't have people in vent to call for healing, or hear the call for healing and assist.
3. because the other team is too busy not attempting any sort of coordination to notice that X number of people who aren't focusing on any one player is not going to win against a team where X number of people ARE focusing each player down one at a time per vent calls.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why being in vent and using it properly has a tremendous impact on games. I hate beating a dead horse, but people simply aren't getting it. You guys want to win, you guys want to have fun and enjoy games, then you need to step it up to the level of the other team.
Which is surprisingly easy to do considering they are only beating our faces in because of vent.
PS: LOL @ Donteventrii doing his 'head under the sand' trick as soon as a competent alliance team shows itself.
I think Hailshot is 100% correct. It isn't the fact that there's 4-6 hunters in the game spread between both sides, it's the fact that horde are either not in vent, or not saying anything meaningful or productive in vent.
Welcome to Detox take #2, where the majority of alliance players queuing up are extremely familiar with higher level play, where they coordinate in vent all the things that are vital to winning games. Including but not limited to: Where the FC is, where the EFC is, which target needs to be focused down, which target(s) are being CCed, who needs a dispel, ect, ect, ect.
Contrast that to horde, and it isn't hard to figure out why the alliance 5-6 man offense can rip apart the horde team without much effort. Blame it on hunters. Blame it on Doomhammer kids. Blame it on hordies wanting to switch to their alliance players so they can play with people who are at least competent and cognitive of what's going on.
Blame it on whatever you want to, but the fact remains that horde isn't going to be doing anything but rezzing at the spirit healer if they don't get in vent and learn how to communicate.
Example: If you have 6 people on offense who are calling out a focus target, that person is going to DIE, and here's why:
1. the other team will not be able to peel quickly enough to keep that person up, especially if they don't have people in vent to call the peel, or hear the peel called and assist.
2. the other team will not be able to focus heals effectively enough to keep that person up, especially if they don't have people in vent to call for healing, or hear the call for healing and assist.
3. because the other team is too busy not attempting any sort of coordination to notice that X number of people who aren't focusing on any one player is not going to win against a team where X number of people ARE focusing each player down one at a time per vent calls.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why being in vent and using it properly has a tremendous impact on games. I hate beating a dead horse, but people simply aren't getting it. You guys want to win, you guys want to have fun and enjoy games, then you need to step it up to the level of the other team.
Which is surprisingly easy to do considering they are only beating our faces in because of vent.
PS: LOL @ Donteventrii doing his 'head under the sand' trick as soon as a competent alliance team shows itself.
allahkazam
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Hey you found that funny too?
Daydra
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So the question remains who's the nice enough jerk to crack the fuzzy whip?
@ willy nope its how i've always felt, tried to tell you that long ago but it got lost in walls of text some where. Remember that rebutle I said that I had responded to you in your manner, that was basically what was going to be said in regards to vent. There are still other things to consider but ground floor basics remain the same.
A person is either observant and acts situationally or its a person that needs direction and apparently those that need direction aren't getting it in a way that can be understood or listened to in the vent channel. Lol at one point we had 1 out of 7! of our offense in vent last night and that person had no mic. Guess what, we lost.
@ willy nope its how i've always felt, tried to tell you that long ago but it got lost in walls of text some where. Remember that rebutle I said that I had responded to you in your manner, that was basically what was going to be said in regards to vent. There are still other things to consider but ground floor basics remain the same.
A person is either observant and acts situationally or its a person that needs direction and apparently those that need direction aren't getting it in a way that can be understood or listened to in the vent channel. Lol at one point we had 1 out of 7! of our offense in vent last night and that person had no mic. Guess what, we lost.
Willyshatner
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A wild Competent Alliance Team appears!
_ Attack
_ Change Pkmn
_ Use Pokeball
X Flee
I have experience leading rated BGs, and my win/loss record on any given night is usually 5:1 depending on how many games we play. Though, comp largely impacts that too. Since we are pugging for the most part, I don't know how well I can lead a group of people. I guess it all comes down to getting in vent, listening, and profiting. I'd be willing to give it a shot, nonetheless.
Daydra
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Willyshatner said:
You can give it a go, though I personally like to see a burst dps calling targets to drop just for ease of transition with damage. If you know who your primary dps is though you could certainly call his targets through focus while calling cc. I'm game for anything at this point. I'm going to press Peach and/or zel being on thursday nite if possible so I can peel off with O. I guess we'll see. Its definately time to get aggressive in a non-player bashing manner though.
We have some amazing individually skilled players on horde but we need to get it together.
Daydra
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rubikz said:
Normally thats true but from what I have seen that won't work until some of the newer players are lead by example. : / There just isn't much premade experience in the horde pug matchs. So for now a player or two initiating the call outs and opening communication up would be helpful.
allahkazam
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I've done quite a few games with my friends on my 19. We use skype to communicate during games. What I've noticed is that even in basic pugs for 19s where most of the time we aren't playing anyone decent at all, we still communicated infinitely better than I've ever heard horde. At best from horde you'll hear that alliance has people just rezzing or calling out where an FC is and if they have support. I'm more used to people calling everything out, from rogues being on them or being kicked to specifically calling out who to CC. Playing my 19 mage my friends still call out who to CC and that they need a nova even if I already know what I'm going to be doing. It's not something I've heard horde doing at all. I'm guilty of not being a great communicator as well but it's mostly an issue of being really shy around new people and being self conscious about how high pitched my voice sounds on vent.
With my friends from 19 I never have to worry about one single person leading because everyone communicates well. When we've run into opposing horde groups that queue you can really tell the ones in vent talking and the ones who aren't. Having a few people on horde in vent calling things and the rest being silent really defeats the purpose of vent. Having a mic and talking is really full participation. Getting in vent and not having a mic is really only going halfway. This is especially true on O in the sometimes chaotic times when the opposing D and your O are engaged in battle. You need to be calling out CCs and movement and if they are popping cooldowns like AGM or lay on hands instead of just having an enemy FC on focus and hoping you can get a cap. Having one or two people take charge can be good until everyone gets a feel for what is to be expected of them. When I first started my 19 and playing with my friends I mostly listened until I got a feel for what needed to be done.
You can be geared and skilled, but unless you have that experience of being able to call things out it, you will be worth less on a team than a person who is ok but can communicate things well.
With my friends from 19 I never have to worry about one single person leading because everyone communicates well. When we've run into opposing horde groups that queue you can really tell the ones in vent talking and the ones who aren't. Having a few people on horde in vent calling things and the rest being silent really defeats the purpose of vent. Having a mic and talking is really full participation. Getting in vent and not having a mic is really only going halfway. This is especially true on O in the sometimes chaotic times when the opposing D and your O are engaged in battle. You need to be calling out CCs and movement and if they are popping cooldowns like AGM or lay on hands instead of just having an enemy FC on focus and hoping you can get a cap. Having one or two people take charge can be good until everyone gets a feel for what is to be expected of them. When I first started my 19 and playing with my friends I mostly listened until I got a feel for what needed to be done.
You can be geared and skilled, but unless you have that experience of being able to call things out it, you will be worth less on a team than a person who is ok but can communicate things well.
Franchi
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And this is what leads to my epic frustration, watching my team get kited around mid for ten minutes then bitch at me when i go down sucks just about all the fun out of wsg. For the last couple of nights there have been at-least 4 games a night were i cannot influence the game AT ALL. Isn't it funny how when FC carriers i have no problem whatsoever getting to the alliance base then have to sit there for 4-5 minutes waiting for the rest of offense to cross? Isn't it funny how when i carry FC has no trouble getting to the alliance base and then has to wait 4-5 minutes for backup?
Daydra knows whats up, sticks and stones may break my bones but whips and chains excite me! /moan
But seriously I can't come up with another reason i have kept queing up every fight night.
On the subject of hunters, there WERE several games last night where alliance was running a two huntard d, had they not had a two huntard d they would have lost, even the current batch of no vent horde would have been able to get a return in the amount of time that d held for save for the huntards.
Junai
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I only got to play a couple of games last night. I would love to hear more chatter on vent even if its just bsing. I didn't call out much but will try more in the future. the games I was in horde had 0 hunters to allies 2 or 3. the multi hunter d on the roof is not something I can see getting through since most are either dead or tore up enough to be quickly finished off once we get up to the efc. not saying no hunters at all but just saying 2 and 3 shoting peeps is going to make an exceptionally difficult if not near impossible turtle to break on the rooftop. I doubt even perfect communication would over come this if the hunters are half way competent with healers and a geared fcer. but we need the whole horde team on vent if we expect to put up any sort of decent effort. I don't care about losing, I still had a good time for as short of a time I was on.
allahkazam
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yeah multiple hunters on D is lame.
Willyshatner
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Phauren said:
Do you personally know that girl in your sig? Watching her go down over and over again makes me want to get some of that...
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