Honey Badger
OG
Licholas you just got trolled by Sally. She's taking no prisoners.
/Salute to Sally
"She's on fire"
/Salute to Sally
"She's on fire"
Growing and protecting and growing the 20-24 bracket
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Yde
Worg
I just can't take this all very seriously, Pouch and Sally are awesome. ^^
I do get why Licholas is annoyed. I also don't like blanket statements that make the people behind one faction appear morally superior to the people behind the other. Separate the results of human nature meeting game structure from the people belonging to such an arbitrary category as a faction they choose in a video game. The assumption that the character of individual people, bad attributes, and the faction they choose in a video game somehow correlate is just ridiculous in my opinion.
I thought the OP was in great spirit, but the condescension that followed has slightly detracted from it. Maybe try to reign that back in.
I do get why Licholas is annoyed. I also don't like blanket statements that make the people behind one faction appear morally superior to the people behind the other. Separate the results of human nature meeting game structure from the people belonging to such an arbitrary category as a faction they choose in a video game. The assumption that the character of individual people, bad attributes, and the faction they choose in a video game somehow correlate is just ridiculous in my opinion.
I thought the OP was in great spirit, but the condescension that followed has slightly detracted from it. Maybe try to reign that back in.
youakim
Guest
I can believe Sally was banned from the bnet forums for trolling...
SallyG
Legend
I'm afraid I don't know what you are talking about.
Also... for the record. It was only a 1 day-er. I think.
OP
OP
Crit
OG
Yes really. Words are currency, be careful how you spend them. Hitler was human, so was all sorts of mass murderers. We are not all fundamentally the same. If you exaggerate then every point you try to make based on that failure to be legit are suspect. The truth is there are differences, don't kill the messenger. I play both sides for a reason...so I can see the differences. I am a Libra...that's how I roll. While you may be different than the general statement it does not diminish the truth that there are general differences. Even Blizzard knows the average age of customers and what that average is by all sorts of things including faction. Generally speaking the Horde is a little older, a little more mature. I have great experience on both factions but it does not do justice to the facts to pretend. It is not a perfect world...kind of like your face is not symmetrical. That being said this post is about bigger things than factions. It is about the things that can be done that shift the masses, not a few players rolling 20s in the face of what is already happening and the tidal wave behind it.
F2P need to understand that their accounts are not designed to be eternal. It is a trial and Blizzard is marketing them to become customers...not the other way around. I have no problem with them but will not change my game for them. We support them as fellow players but other than at some point playing down to an entire team of 20s we are going to do what twinks do, get the very best gear, learn our class and perfect our skills while seeking out fellow players that do the same to polish our skills against. 20s that are geared to the 9's are not going to play down to the 20s that are not. So, really why should 24s play down to them? Don't get me wrong, we will, but the concept won't be a winner to the masses. That is just not the world we live in...like it or not.
SallyG
Legend
You talk a lot Crit. But it's mostly fluff. I hope you are aware of that.
People who want to hone their skills don't crutch on gear and consumables to get'ere done. Sure it's fun, don't get me wrong, I played the 60 leveling bracket, I know all about OP. I know all about faceroll and the hilarity there. But don't delude yourself into thinking you are *honing* anything. You can cover it with *I'm a twink I gear to the best of my ability* drivel, but it's still drivel. You are there to faceroll. You know it, I know it, everyone here knows it. Let's call it by what it really is...
I digress.
*Playing down* is probably the best way to learn how to play if you can't fathom playing on equal levels. When I used to play with some friends we would actually use different gear sets or sit someone(s) out in order to make the game as exciting and equal as possible. We would get everyone in the game to cooperate with that goal. These are mostly PuG games I'm talking about. If it meant taking off a neckpiece or cloak, they did it. Evenly matched versus evenly matched (or the closest we could get). The idea wasn't to outgear your opponent. The idea was to outplay, outmaneuver, outlast (OMG Survivor!)
Some brackets, twink brackets, still do this.
Why?
Because they want good games. They want to be the best they can be. You don't get good by steamrolling. Then again, they also didn't roll this faceroll bracket... so I guess that's where they differ.
Isn't that right?
People who want to hone their skills don't crutch on gear and consumables to get'ere done. Sure it's fun, don't get me wrong, I played the 60 leveling bracket, I know all about OP. I know all about faceroll and the hilarity there. But don't delude yourself into thinking you are *honing* anything. You can cover it with *I'm a twink I gear to the best of my ability* drivel, but it's still drivel. You are there to faceroll. You know it, I know it, everyone here knows it. Let's call it by what it really is...
I digress.
*Playing down* is probably the best way to learn how to play if you can't fathom playing on equal levels. When I used to play with some friends we would actually use different gear sets or sit someone(s) out in order to make the game as exciting and equal as possible. We would get everyone in the game to cooperate with that goal. These are mostly PuG games I'm talking about. If it meant taking off a neckpiece or cloak, they did it. Evenly matched versus evenly matched (or the closest we could get). The idea wasn't to outgear your opponent. The idea was to outplay, outmaneuver, outlast (OMG Survivor!)
Some brackets, twink brackets, still do this.
Why?
Because they want good games. They want to be the best they can be. You don't get good by steamrolling. Then again, they also didn't roll this faceroll bracket... so I guess that's where they differ.
Isn't that right?
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Kearbear
Legend
Apologies then for misreading your statement, that's what I thought you meant
Oh I think this is well understood by many people. I knew what I was getting when I did what I decided to do: take advantage of Blizz's promotion to get my low level PvP fix without having to sub up again.
However, if some do come into f2p expecting an ACTUAL f2p game, Blizzard has no one but themselves (or rather their marketing department) to blame. They've plastered the internet with advertisements on how "WoW is now F2P!! * up to lvl 20" and it's no one's fault but their own if some people take those ads seriously. I wouldn't fault anyone for having expectations about the f2p experience based on this, at least initially.
Patrol
Legend
There's a word or a phrase to describe what you're doing here, but it escapes me. Basically, you're putting on this air of confidence, trying to make those who visit this forum believe that the number of dedicated 24s is growing (refer to earlier posts on why the 20/24 ratio will remain the same), and that we ought to join you. The fact of the matter is that this bracket will remain 85% level 20s despite your best efforts, and the majority of them will be first time players who you steamroll with your monstrous crutch while pretending to search for balanced matches. If you REALLY wanted balanced matches in a low level bracket, you'd roll 19 or 29.
Honey Badger
OG
Your right it's funny when you hear a 24 saying their looking for balance, I play for fun and to hang out with friends and new friends lvl 20 or 24. I don't say I'm trying to bring balance or that I'm squeaky clean. But it's also funny when you hear people who are playing for free (f2p)/ Freeloaders think they have a say so in what blizzard does.
/tickles for my Freeloaders
/tickles for my Freeloaders
SallyG
Legend
Blizzard cares about all their product consumers. To blatantly say those on a trial shouldn't highlight their concerns because they have not paid for the full version, or better yet, imply that the company doesn't give a crap about them... is naivety at its finest. This is certainly not the forum to enact any change, but it is a good place for discussion. Before y'all jump on that bandwagon to attempt to shoot me down.
Inb4 Blizzard doesn't intend for you to twink at 20, trials aren't supposed to be permanent, or some such.
Also I play a paid account. What, what.
Also edit:
Because I imagine this could be a point of contention.
A consumer is someone who can make the decision whether or not to purchase an item at the store, and someone who can be influenced by marketing and advertisements.
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Bowwow
Legend
29s are kinda dead and 19s dont have a mount.
TuskyTim
Legend
I'm probably going to sound like a troll but i really want to know the following. Why are people so attracted to balanced twinking? What would an active 29 bracket have that 85s don't have. I know endgame is boring and all (reason why i stopped) but to me it does seem to have everything the lower level brackets have and more. I see why f2ps are "twinking" and why 24s do. But where does this balanced twinking need come from?
Bowwow
Legend
I play a 24 hunter, i dont give a shit about balance. I also have 20s to play when I get tired of 1 shotting the actual trials.
Also I havent played my 24s in months and Im not going to chase end game gear and waste more time on this game.
Might ask the geared 20s who face roll the trials about balance.
Also I havent played my 24s in months and Im not going to chase end game gear and waste more time on this game.
Might ask the geared 20s who face roll the trials about balance.
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TuskyTim
Legend
The 20s twink because we can't level higher. I always thoughed the 24s twinked because they could easily kill the level 20s this way. What I noticed lately is that some 24s keep saying they want competitive games but that the 20s ruin this and that they only play in the 20-24 bracket because it is the one with lowest que times. The thing i don't understand about this is is why these people feel the need to play in another bracket then the 85 bracket. I don't understand what it is that makes playing a low level more interresting then a max lvl one. Although the endgame sucks at 85 at the moment there is still more of it then at level 24.
Bowwow
Legend
JMO.
20s can level, its their choice not to.
Why make a 20 when you can make a 24? How many 15/25s do you see in the 19/29s?
24s want competition because killing the no geared 20s gets boring. Im sure the geared 20s get tired of killing them also.
I dont play max level because I have a job and dont have time for the constant gear grind. I would rather twink and be geared then the constant carrot on a stick blizz makes you chase.
Why do people twink 1-84, all the diff brackets? This bracket is one of the most active, why not play it.
TuskyTim
Legend
Never thoughed of this, with the speed at wich one becomes level 85 I forgot that time investment could be a factor. Thanks.
Bowwow
Legend
I was playing a few 19s at the end of wrath, cata hit and I leveled a few 85s and decided to play some end game bgs. Work 14 hour days, come home to do a few bgs for honor to gear up and some dailys/farm mats for rep and gold. By the time I was working on my last piece of gear the new set was out. I have better things to do with my time then grind to play max level. I will play twinks since you can gear them rather easy.