EU+US Everything Wrong With The PTR Transmog System

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  1. willix

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    Give it time. With these initial Legion changes underway, that is now a good possibility, since the inconsistency of lower level gearing would have made that impossible before now. The other option to consider is that we're going to have spec specific quest rewards at lower levels, making it so that you don't even get the option to pick the wrong thing.

    In dungeons and raids, personal loot might be the new thing even at lower levels.
     
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  2. Stale

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    Your post was a bit off-topic for 75% of the post, but I'll try to work with it! Why talk about armor type conversions (which are a good idea, once again implemented terribly, but that's a another topic) that have nothing to do with the wardrobe system not working as intended?

    When you take the "unobtainable" part out of your sentence, it is EXACTLY what the wardrobe system does, it allows you to transmogrify items that you previously obtained on a completely different character, like a monk, to any other leather-user without them having to obtain it. What the wardrobe isn't, is a stepping stone designed to get to that point where you can't loot cloth anymore as a leather-wearer. This is something you made up. It has never been mentioned anywhere that this is working toward the goal of having mono-armor type classes. If that was the goal, they made quite a resourceful detour to reach that goal. How is not having a transmo for cloth stop people from wearing cloth with better stats? You're correct, it literally doesn't.

    I don't understand "something they feel you need to unlock going forward with patch 7.0". You can't unlock unobtainable items anymore, it's in the name.

    What kind of argument is this? How am I suppose to take a stance that it is not bugged, is it not bugged because they intended half your obtained items to be missing, is it not bugged because they intended items to show up inconsistently, is it not bugged because they intended certain quests you've completed to unlock transmo rewards, while other quests you've also completed remain locked, that you can't do again on that character? Should I say; "Yeah that's great I'll just level up every class to level 110 again, to unlock rewards I've already earned, while still missing out on previous quests I've completed because they don't exist anymore."

    I know Blizzard would like me to take that stance, which is why I'm starting to think you're a Blizzard representative (this is a joke).

    Eh.

    And this is the main difference between us. I think I should be able to transmogrify rewards that I've earned or loot that I have physically gathered and still have to any of my characters (which are not circumventions of the rules at all, not as they were initially mentioned). I won't speak for you, but what I can get from your post I think you only want people to get a transmo unlocked when they do that quest after Legion releases.

    Also I don't know if those are your attempts to be funny, but I never mentioned ridiculous items such as the frying pan or fishing off-hand, nor did I mention anything about transmogrifying cloth on leather-, mail- or platewearers.
     
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  3. Stale

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    Also one more post to actually clear up what I'm talking about, I'm not talking about what Blizzard described will happen or what they want to do, I'm talking about what is on PTR right now.

    You currently don't unlock any quest rewards from quests you've completed already, unless you have a physical reward from that quest, in your bags. Say you have a quest you did two days ago, with an axe and shield as reward, if you deleted the reward, none will be added to your wardrobe coming Legion. Only if you kept the shield or axe, will both rewards be unlocked.
     
  4. AlisterCrow

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    No recent posts about any problems with the wardrobe on the official forums......just posting on here I guess....
     
  5. willix

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    I've done my best to explain to you the system they're designing for Legion, and given you real world examples of what would happen if they did it the way you wanted them to (which basically amounts to the reasons they won't do it your way). I can't make you change your opinion, only you can realize that it needs to be changed.

    If an item is unobtainable, meaning you couldn't get it again on a new character, why would you expect to have it's appearance unlocked for use on any new character moving forward? Does that really sound reasonable to you? If you're being given brand new rewards to fill the gaps where rewards didn't previously exist for your armor type/level, why would you expect them to make it so you can continue to use the old items that don't fall in line with the new design? Furthermore, why would you expect to be able to transmog things you aren't supposed to wear?

    Ever single time I respond to you, these are the questions I'm trying to get you to answer. You want things that, on their face, do not seem reasonable, given the context and scope of the changes coming in Legion.

    If you have Lucky Fishing Hat on a druid, and you like the mog, what if they are adding leather, mail, and plate versions of LFH to the event so that everyone has a reward? That's what you need to understand is actually happening. Yes, your cloth LFH won't be useable on a druid. But if they add a new leather LFH for parity (which is what they are in fact, trying to do across the board, but will take time and not be 100%) why don't you just go get the new LFH in the appropriate armor type for you class, and use that instead of continuing to make a big deal about your cloth hat?

    This is just an example, mind you. I don't know if the extent of their changes will reach that far. But I can tell you what stuff like this looks like at max level, and it's not bad. If you like the monk helm (rice hat mog) it comes in 4 different armor types as a white item with no stats. You just buy the one you need and you're on your way. Instead of whining about changes, maybe make suggestions based on each case usage you've found. I guarantee you Blizzard will be a lot more likely to go 'yeah, there's not parity with STV fishing rewards, we can fix that' than 'yes, well go ahead and break our rules so you can continue to value your Cloth LFH.'

    There was even a thread asking for players to suggest items that don't fall in line with Legion design so they can be addressed before the expansion drops. Go find that thread and fill it with suggestions!

    That probably has more to do with the way PTR now handles characters and account wide stuff (it doesn't, really) than the specific transmog system for Legion. Like, if I copy my main toon over to the PTR, none of the toys or heirlooms I've collected show up. I have to re-add everything to the UI manually because for some reason, those fall through the cracks of character copy on the PTR.

    It's not a big deal and it's not something that will happen on live servers. You have to understand that these builds for the Beta/PTR are created from scratch by the build team before being deployed on the test servers. They're not taking a live version of the game, modifying it for the test servers, and then moving it back to live server once it's where they want it.

    No, builds are stand alone and every time there's a maintenance or patch, a new build is being created from scratch and being deployed. You can probably expect a more robust catalog of items to be available once these changes hit live servers, because the game won't have to rely on character copies to track items. Those will be tracked account wide before launch and upon login on patch day, added just like they have been in the past on live servers - which is not the case on the PTR or Beta realms.

    I still wouldn't expect them to let you use GF'd items or transmog the wrong armor type for your class.
     
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  6. Stale

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    I want the quests I've done and the rewards I've chosen for that quest unlocked for the character I did those quests on. How does that seem reasonable?

    I'd love that! But here's the catch willix; It's not happening on PTR right now, nor will it happen on Legion any time soon, but once again this is based on the idea that I want to transmo cloth to leather-, mail- or platewearers, which I don't, so it is once again besides the point.

    Your arguments are based on your thoughts that I want unreasonable things to happen, which I don't. It seems like you're trolling me on purpose. The examples you give are fictious and not at all what I am talking about, this is the second time you switched it to "you want to wear cloth on a non-cloth wearer", even after I pointed out this;

    I don't think I can make it more clear than this for you willix: The wardrobe is bugged/broken ON THE PTR, because it does not unlock a ton of quests rewards from quests I've done on that character, for that character, unless I still have the reward in my bag.

    Ofcourse we can hope that this is just a PTR problem, but I'd rather nag on it now then end up with more than half the transmos, that we have literally unlocked by playing the game, missing.

    Also don't forget that we are on twinkinfo, there's no real point to talk about how well it works in Legion or 100+, even though it is indeed intended for that.
     
  7. willix

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    At this point, there is nothing I can say to help you understand the reality you find yourself in. You'll just have to wait and see how things play out, learning the hard way.

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20745025114?page=1

    There's the thread I was talking about earlier. There are others like it for other aspects of the new system, if you take the time to look on the forums and make suggestive posts on a case by case basis, you might get somewhere.
     
  8. Stale

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    Yup, I guess we'll have to wait to see your complaints until after it goes live and you find out it barely functions.
     
  9. willix

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    Cause that would ruin the dynamic armor system that has been in WoW since forever
     
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    Restricting which armor types you can xmog for the sole purpose of having people not use other armor types than their main one isn't an attempt to ruin dynamic armor types? Are you trolling? Or just stupid?
     
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    Aww, can't even have a simple discussion without throwing out personal insults... I don't know what I expected though...

    As Willix said, maybe they are going to restrict each class to one armor type at some point, but atm that's not the case. What I have suggested numerous times is, that this change is either to ease us into the "1 armor type pr class" scenario that might happen at some point. Or it's a punishment for wearing the "wrong" armor type for your class.
     
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    I can see that. That's a completely different view than the one you had previously. And I'm not insulting you. I'm simply telling you that your previous views were illogal and you'd have to be stupid to not realize that. However you realized, so you're not stupid.
     
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    I don't know man, your comprehensive skills could use a boost...
     
  15. OP
    Mvq

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    Your first view:
    Your second view:
    They're not the same.
    We can agree on this, right?

    We can agree that, on the first quote, saying that Blizz doesn't wanna ruin the dynamic armor system in defense for the XMog armor type limitations is pretty much like saying that Blizz are, instead of nerfing OP items, simply making the items look ugly so people have less incentive to use them.
    This is illogical. Hence why if you hold the first view you're stupid.
     
  16. Sybill

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    On a not so unrelated sidenote, make sure you pick up your Midsummer mogs, guys.
     
  17. Snack

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    lmao you still dont get it hahahah. I guess I should have been more clear in some of my comments, like this one:
    But I really do feel like I explained it thoroughly later on...

    But alright:
    In Legion Blizzard is changing the way we know armor types; they're making quest rewards and BoE items change armor type depending on your class. This leads us to think that they're trying to sorta push people into only equipping the best possible armor types for their classes, either because they want to avoid ninja looting, or to fit the RP armor system, or for some other unknown reason.

    They could've just changed the entire system, so that you can't actually equip other armor types than those meant for your class, but they havn't done this. Yet. Which, if they don't do it at all, seems like they want to preserve the dynamic armor system that has been in WoW since vanilla, which I feel is a good decision.

    They do, however, still want people to run with the armor type intended for their class, hence the quest reward and BoE item change, and now also the mog change. It's a way of gently pushing people in the direction they want the game to go, while not forcing shit down our throat.
     
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    Yeah I agree. But you didn't explain the 1st view before I called you stupid. So you can't blame me for thinking u were stupid.
     
  19. SPQR

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    A good day indeed.
     
  20. smoke

    smoke The Original "clicker"

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    U can enter BG and take ur gear off and ur statc will not change. So you can take shit yoi dont like off or even pvp naked if you like. After you zone in the BG ur statc are locked .

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