Consumables in a Premade

[Crit]

If you know exactly who you are talking to then you would know that Ertai has played in some of the best 19 guilds and has probably done twice or three times as many premades as you.

Some days we would do 2-3 premades a day. It is good you pre qualified your false statement. Having played in or for many and GM'ed 3 well known guilds (HI, Whirlwind, Meat Puppet) I have a bit of experience myself and can speak to the various levels and stages the game of twinking has gone through since the beginning of BC.

Missing my point that the term skill is highly subjective and used to undermine what one does not like is hard to do but many have. I was sarcastic when suggesting more choices was skill. I was not sarcastic in saying skill or the lack of it can be displayed doing anything and pasted the dictionary description of the term to be clear about what skill is. Even now the insults are still rolling toward me and those that have different view with the suggestion that you can't have competitive games unless you play their way.

I may need to paste the description of elitism as it has no claim to me. I can live with their preferences being different than mine without feeling the need to trade "insults". They however start the topic with lightly veiled insults leveled at anyone who does not share their view. I make no claim to being better than anyone or having more skill. I don't claim that playing with consumables requires more skill.

I however will not let sly innuendo seduce weak minds and let such tripe go unaddressed. Next up they will be slyly suggesting that PUG's are not as important as premades and therefore would be acceptable to AFK out on for whatever reason they feel so inclined.

Say it for what it is. 19s bringing their game here...the same 19s that crapped on the Trial account players, AFK runs rampant and bluster has replaced actual premades.

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[youakim]

the same 19s that crapped on the Trial account players

Are you saying this is something that you, as a 24, find unrespectable or shouldn't do?

 

[youakim]

Even now the insults are still rolling toward me

It is my observation that the number of insults you have meted out so far in this thread surpass the amount directed at you by far.

I may need to paste the description of elitism as it has no claim to me.

Let me do that for you: Elitism | Define Elitism at Dictionary.com

I can live with their preferences being different than mine without feeling the need to trade "insults". They however start the topic with lightly veiled insults leveled at anyone who does not share their view.

Let's take a look at what you said next:

I however will not let sly innuendo seduce weak minds and let such tripe go unaddressed.

You say elitism does not apply to you, and that those who do not agree with you have weak minds. Then you turn around, and make

lightly veiled insults

directed at them. You are a living definition of hypocritical elitism.

Say it for what it is. 19s bringing their game here...the same 19s that crapped on the Trial account players,

Hilarious coming from one who is doing the exact same thing in one of the biggest guilds in the bracket.

You have said that you dislike elitism? Why don't you try to be the change you wish to see in others instead of dismissing others sharing their opinions as weak minded?

 

[Dcm]

So all I am getting from this thread, is that 19s are the ones ruining the bracket, and not the 24s queing 7 mans using every consumable possible.

I completely agree. Abundance of players from a different bracket is the problem.

 

[Nohealsforju]

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[Dorigon]

This is a pretty pointless poll. It is always up to the two teams facing each other.

 

[Capias]

Edit: Btw these people saying: 'Our premades allow FaP's and magic resist potions, if you don't like it don't play against us'... SOUNDS LIKE.... 'We can't premade against you without allowing full use of consumables'.

Btw these people saying: 'Our premades disallow FaP's and magic resist potions, if you don't like it don't play against us'... SOUNDS LIKE.... 'We can't premade against you without disallowing full use of consumables.'

There, fixed.

I don't play a 24 and I wasn't involved in any of these premades, so correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can see he'slooking for the rare 10v10s that get organized to be a different type of game,

<Controlled Chaos> can field a ten-man team? That's news to me.

But FREE ACTION POTION in a 10v10 premade? It totally negates all competition when decent players start using such ridiculous abilities.

The use of abilities does not "negate all competition" as both sides can use them. They have CDs, and there's skill in knowing when to use them. Kratos doesn't like them so he refers to them as a "crutch." (BTW, it darkflight a "crutch"?) If it's in the game and legal, then I reserve the right to use it. If other people have such a strong need to do a premade against <CC> that they want to agree to such silly rules, then by all means I wouldn't stop them.

AGM is allowed though in RBGs and Arenas, so there would be no reason not to use it,

I don't care what is or is not allowed in RBGs or Arenas. This is the 20-24 bracket; the rules for other Arenas and RBGs have nothing to do with enjoying 24s. If I were interested in playing according to those rules, I'd go play Arenas or RBGs.

 

[kratos]

<Controlled Chaos> can field a ten-man team? That's news to me.

In our guild recruitment thread you can see we're no longer recruiting for the core

 

[Crit]

Are you saying this is something that you, as a 24, find unrespectable or shouldn't do?

Ah, the entitled f2p comes out to play. Inventing words even. Your position on subscribers playing in this bracket is noted. As is your relentless trolling of them. However, I disagree with you as do many f2p players and former f2p players. By merely playing in the bracket one does not crap on anyone let alone trial account players. It is what you do that matters.

To what do I refer? 19s who camped, insulted and finally complained till Blizzard took trial accounts ability to shut off experience gain and thereby enter xp off BGs until they cap at 20. These "elite" would commonly not help a fellow teammate if they were a trial account and would tell them to get out of their BG like they do now to any player who shows up without what they determine as BIS gear. If they did not get the message these "elite" players will bail (afk) on those teammates as they are beneath them in their minds. At least that is what they told me was their reason for doing so.

What do I promote as the founder of Horde Invasion? We treat our teammates very differently than that regardless of level or gear. I figure it is worth the time to help fellow players and recruit players that think so as well. Trail account players like Phrontesy (sp?), who now has subscribed, come to join us on a regular basis. We make them honorary guild members and support them like fellow guild mates. In games we support trial account players even when (now very rare) they did not support us.

We never farm opponents even when they are known farmers and part of us would like to as they sort of have it coming. We know that would only continue the retarded practice. We do not look down on trial accounts like the 19s did, some of our Horde Invasion players were or are currently trial account players.

So punt your entitled, misplaced and misguided trollish* behavior and turn over a new leaf. Put you derision where it belongs...on players that actually hate on trial account players.

* I can invent words too

On topic...well said Capias, well said.

Back off topic...The Walkmen opened for Florence and the Machine, what an awesome concert.

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[Crit]

In our guild recruitment thread you can see we're no longer recruiting for the core

How often is your "core" on? How often are you "core" on at the same time? Faith told me you guys are not on much. Even heard they're considering transferring. If you can't be active enough to keep players how can you do a premade? This whole topic may well be immaterial.

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[kratos]

How often is your "core" on? How often are you "core" on at the same time? Faith told me you guys are not on much. Even heard they're considering transferring. If you can't be active enough to keep players how can you do a premade? This whole topic may well be immaterial.

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They're on when I tell them to be, that's all that matters

 

[Kilda]

Btw these people saying: 'Our premades disallow FaP's and magic resist potions, if you don't like it don't play against us'... SOUNDS LIKE.... 'We can't premade against you without disallowing full use of consumables.'

There, fixed.

Not fixed, you completely changed it.

Honeybadger was saying way back, that if Kratos didn't like their premade rules (FFA consumables) then not to play against him. That sounded to me like he was not prepared to face Kratos WITHOUT having full access to consumables.

The use of abilities does not "negate all competition" as both sides can use them. They have CDs, and there's skill in knowing when to use them. Kratos doesn't like them so he refers to them as a "crutch." (BTW, it darkflight a "crutch"?) If it's in the game and legal, then I reserve the right to use it. If other people have such a strong need to do a premade against <CC> that they want to agree to such silly rules, then by all means I wouldn't stop them.

You lot keep spewing out the same crap over and over. The point is not using something because it's available, it's about certain consumables (FaP and minor resist) becoming part of every players rotation because people start abusing them.

Sure every player in WSG can use FaP, but where's the fun in that when CC is more-or-less useless, and it becomes a case of who has more FaPs, or more concuss/fear spam?

FaP/MRP don't exist in EU really, and we hardly have the player base to coordinate successful 10v10, so my views aren't really valid here, but I will say this: FaP is such a fucking ridiculously overpowered consumable, that it can be cheaply used to end really great games.

 

[Nohealsforju]

I like the part when Capias said that one can crutch on Dark flight well it is a racial ability much like EMFH, WoTF, Arcane Torrent, Blood Fury, Rocket Jump, Rocket barrage, Shadow Meld. You do not need to farm for those you have them when you enter the character screen.

The point is that once when you know when to use a FaP or a Resistance potion then you will need it at that moment so then it is a crutch. Even if you believe you don't need it but there will be a moment when you say "man i wish i had another Free action potion." then that should be the moment you realize you crutch on it.

Some classes crutch on abilities which is understandable but no one should crutch on consumables which is why it is disallowed in Rbgs, Arenas & (hopefully) Organized Premades.

You can keep saying that it takes skill to use a potion that allows no CC for 30seconds more and more. But if the entire offense team uses it all at once that means it is 30 seconds of unstoppable attack time. There is no skill in that.

Any one want to write a list of things people can do when they can't be CC'd for 30 seconds?

 

[Lil]

I'm only a 20 so shoot me if I'm giving my thought... again. But maybe if you looked at it from a trials view? If you're doing a 10v10 premade then w/e the rules are yours and if you don't figure out whats allowed and whats not before hand that's your fault. Now if you're doing 5v5 or 5vpug then think about those 5 or 10 possible other TRIALS in that bg with you.

I'm not going to get into a 24 power struggle blah blah blah but 24s already have a pretty big advantage over any trial. Things trials can use from OP (unless I'm wrong then please tell me where to access them xD):
1. Swiftness
2. Thistle tea (again not so sure about trial rogues) so imo any 24 who wants to claim to play fairly (minus the chants, boas and added abilities of course ) then these 2 should be only things from OP used. If you do a 5 man premade vs a pug and you get 10 trials you're facing and you still pop every consumable in the book then my opinion and I'm sure anyone else who realizes what's going on will be that you are a 24 who has to crutch on anything you have at your disposable to get a win.
Not trying to troll or start anything but interested to see how 24s respond to this

 

[sevenohseven]

anything you have at your disposable to get a win.

sounds like twinking to me.

 

[verh]

Any one want to write a list of things people can do when they can't be CC'd for 30 seconds?

I'd do this!
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[Crit]

If you do a 5 man premade vs a pug and you get 10 trials you're facing and you still pop every consumable in the book then my opinion and I'm sure anyone else who realizes what's going on will be that you are a 24 who has to crutch on anything you have at your disposable to get a win.
Not trying to troll or start anything but interested to see how 24s respond to this

I often will use swiftness to expedite an easy win.



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[cgibson0102]

hey crit you member Jumpy? well i'm back and wanting to twink again. I'll try to find u on the server my guy is leader of the old HI Vangaurd lol. Guess someone gave him lead and left it to start the new HI

 

[Zatox]

Crit, you are BY FAR the biggest idiot to ever step foot into the Twink Info Forums. I'm not going to get into it with you on any aspects of your ignorance. And before you pull the F2P card, i also have played/play 24s.

 

[FcTink]

Crit, you are BY FAR the biggest idiot to ever step foot into the Twink Info Forums. I'm not going to get into it with you on any aspects of your ignorance. And before you pull the F2P card, i also have played/play 24s.

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