Civilized conversation about the health of EU bracket

Ondura said:
Care to explain?
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Hurrx already tried to do so. But you struggle to understand. I give it one more try.

The guild was made about 4-5 days ago. Many ppl started rerolling on aggramar, thats why they are doing dungeons, quests etc. to gear up. Said games happend without pushing due to some ppl queueing up while they were questing, chatting, doing dungeons or w/e.
So games popped with many ppl in it that wasnt geared and some even new to this bracket. What did those ppl get to see in wsg? They got pretty much farmed (at least on that second game) by people that felt the need to use OP scrolls to, and here i will use your words, twoshot people. Not hard to understand for you, that it wasnt fun for the team that got farmed.
So why on earth, would anyone in this new created guild, where most ppl dont even have the gear, enchants or profs to compete even in a game where you dont use scrolls keep on queueing to get twoshotted by you?
There is no reason to do so. There are more resons NOT to do so. What you think someone who comes new into this bracket or just returned from a break thinks when he joins such games? You think they will stay? No, they wont. They would just lose interest in a blink of an eye and leave before they even joined. So what we did was more a preventative action. We gave those ppl that dont have the gear to compete right now and that are new to this bracket (or joined after a break) some fun games via wargames where they dont have to face scroll using players.

That you call this a dodge is rediculous. It wasnt even our attempt to have normal bgs running at this evening, they just happened randomly. We should be happy about that, but no one really could cause you tried your best to make it unenjoyable for everyone in that games.
That you even call my hunt close to BIS with no enchants and profs is even more sad.

Im pretty sure the members in BIOS will be happy to queue for random bgs in the future, but im also pretty sure that everytime they will meet you using OP shit just to annoy everyone, they will just stop queueing and do wargames or whatever.

Its also up to you. We can create a healthy bracket with many active ppl in it. We can have multiple games per night and the more ppl join and the longer they last cause they enjoy it, the more competitiveness will be the result.
But if you try to boycott it from the start, using op shit that makes games less enjoyable and calling out dodges for ppl that are rerolling right now (i mean lol) the outcome will be less good than it could be.

You dont use the scrolls on US noar do most of your guild members use speedpots on CD there like you do on EU. Why you do that if not to boycott EU 19s.

Please just try to grow up and see what we could achieve all together....
 
Jva said:
Hurrx already tried to do so. But you struggle to understand. I give it one more try.

The guild was made about 4-5 days ago. Many ppl started rerolling on aggramar, thats why they are doing dungeons, quests etc. to gear up. Said games happend without pushing due to some ppl queueing up while they were questing, chatting, doing dungeons or w/e.
So games popped with many ppl in it that wasnt geared and some even new to this bracket. What did those ppl get to see in wsg? They got pretty much farmed (at least on that second game) by people that felt the need to use OP scrolls to, and here i will use your words, twoshot people. Not hard to understand for you, that it wasnt fun for the team that got farmed.
So why on earth, would anyone in this new created guild, where most ppl dont even have the gear, enchants or profs to compete even in a game where you dont use scrolls keep on queueing to get twoshotted by you?
There is no reason to do so. There are more resons NOT to do so. What you think someone who comes new into this bracket or just returned from a break thinks when he joins such games? You think they will stay? No, they wont. They would just lose interest in a blink of an eye and leave before they even joined. So what we did was more a preventative action. We gave those ppl that dont have the gear to compete right now and that are new to this bracket (or joined after a break) some fun games via wargames where they dont have to face scroll using players.

That you call this a dodge is rediculous. It wasnt even our attempt to have normal bgs running at this evening, they just happened randomly. We should be happy about that, but no one really could cause you tried your best to make it unenjoyable for everyone in that games.
That you even call my hunt close to BIS with no enchants and profs is even more sad.

Im pretty sure the members in BIOS will be happy to queue for random bgs in the future, but im also pretty sure that everytime they will meet you using OP shit just to annoy everyone, they will just stop queueing and do wargames or whatever.

Its also up to you. We can create a healthy bracket with many active ppl in it. We can have multiple games per night and the more ppl join and the longer they last cause they enjoy it, the more competitiveness will be the result.
But if you try to boycott it from the start, using op shit that makes games less enjoyable and calling out dodges for ppl that are rerolling right now (i mean lol) the outcome will be less good than it could be.

You dont use the scrolls on US noar do most of your guild members use speedpots on CD there like you do on EU. Why you do that if not to boycott EU 19s.

Please just try to grow up and see what we could achieve all together....
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Are you actually braindead? If you read our conversation I named all the people who were geared and sat in Elwynn Forest doing wargames?

The people I named were capable of putting up a competitive game against TL.

You then had the audacity to blame TL for killing pops, even though our scrolls buff was off, and you had 7+ geared people sat in Elwynn forest refusing to queue?

Grow the hell up and stop giving excuses every single time.
 
im not blaming you for playing at your best but yeah people obviously get demotivated when 1. ur better and 2. u use scrolls for a bigger advantage, if they dont want to queue because of you then there isnt anything to discuss

cause: you use scrolls
effect: they dont want to queue against you
effect of the effect: games stop popping

you could say that games stopped because they rather play wargames, but they rather play wargames because you use scrolls ;]

#philosophicalcasualitybr0

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Hurrx said:
im not blaming you for playing at your best but yeah people obviously get demotivated when 1. ur better and 2. u use scrolls for a bigger advantage, if they dont want to queue because of you then there isnt anything to discuss

cause: you use scrolls
effect: they dont want to queue against you
effect of the effect: games stop popping

you could say that games stopped because they rather play wargames, but they rather play wargames because you use scrolls ;]

#philosophicalcasualitybr0

ps southampton-chelsea 0-3
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Yeah, I understand that Hurrx. But, we had 1 DPS using a scroll. I know I keep repeating myself, but they had 7 geared people including Shamans who could purge the scroll in a millisecond. Secondly, Reece's scroll run out before the last pop even ended and they still refused to queue.

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this is stupid even by TL standards.

you're basically saying you will do whatever you like, but the other team shouldn't do what they want, i.e. not Q, gear up, or any guild related stuff because we're bored.

i'll put it so even a ridwane can understand, don't scroll, don't gy farm, or you'll sit afk in org all night. have a wonderful evening. o/
 
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The Saint said:
this is stupid even by TL standards.

you're basically saying you will do whatever you like, but the other team shouldn't do what they want, i.e. not Q, gear up, or any guild related stuff because we're bored.

i'll put it so even a ridwane can understand, don't scroll, don't gy farm, or you'll sit afk in org all night. have a wonderful evening. o/
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But you are doing what you want? Your choosing not to que.

Also not directed at you in particular, but more people should learn to purge.
 
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Ondura said:
Are you actually braindead? If you read our conversation I named all the people who were geared and sat in Elwynn Forest doing wargames?

The people I named were capable of putting up a competitive game against TL.

You then had the audacity to blame TL for killing pops, even though our scrolls buff was off, and you had 7+ geared people sat in Elwynn forest refusing to queue?

Grow the hell up and stop giving excuses every single time.
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Are you really that dense? We rather played wargames with the undergeared and new ppl in the guild to give them some fun games than playing vs scroll using idiots.
Its sad that you didnt refer to some of the constructive points i made and just kept on bullshitting.
 
Jva said:
Are you really that dense? We rather played wargames with the undergeared and new ppl in the guild to give them some fun games than playing vs scroll using idiots.
Its sad that you didnt refer to some of the constructive points i made and just kept on bullshitting.
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"You then had the audacity to blame TL for killing pops, even though our SCROLLS BUFF WAS OFF, and you had 7 GEARED PEOPLE sat in Elwynn forest refusing to queue"

Keep making excuses kid.

Also, what points am I bullshitting?

Did you not have 7+ geared people sat in Elwynn, or was the I imagining things?
We didn't have Scroll buffs at the end of the last pop, or was I imagining things?
Did your guild not refuse to queue, or was I imagining that aswell?
 
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dont you get it
there is no reason to excuse

and ofc end the post with somthing like : kid stay low

child :)
 
Ondura said:
"You then had the audacity to blame TL for killing pops, even though our SCROLLS BUFF WAS OFF, and you had 7 GEARED PEOPLE sat in Elwynn forest refusing to queue"

Keep making excuses kid.
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Aw shit, your scroll buff was off? Really? Fuck! If we would have known that. I didnt even know it was hard to get it up again. Should have known you wont join with it again in the next game. My bad.
And i already told you why our 7 GEARED PEOPLE refused to queue!
I get it now. You are really stupid :rolleyes:
 
Jva said:
Aw shit, your scroll buff was off? Really? Fuck! If we would have known that. I didnt even know it was hard to get it up again. Should have known you wont join with it again in the next game. My bad.
And i already told you why our 7 GEARED PEOPLE refused to queue!
I get it now. You are really stupid :rolleyes:
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Yes, you did give a reason as to why 7 geared people refused to queue, and it just supports my point in that you dodged.
 
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