Krater
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If they really wanted to they could kill twinking overnight by just disabling the ability to turn xp off.
They want to keep all the twinks on the gear treadmill just like max levels. Gotta keep those player engagement numbers up.
Blizz rumored to be " Nuking Twinks from orbit " in upcoming TW's
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If they really wanted to they could kill twinking overnight by just disabling the ability to turn xp off.
They want to keep all the twinks on the gear treadmill just like max levels. Gotta keep those player engagement numbers up.
Exp off should be 20 or higher IMO. I'm all in favor of killing 10/11 Fury, Monks and Holy Priests.
cletus
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That wouldn't kill it. It would just reduce it because twinks would go to level 20 on F2P accounts. Level 11 is substantially better but level 20 is still pretty good. We've seen this with level 70 twinks on accounts without TWW. I'm honestly tempted to not have Midnight on an account to have level 80 twinks in the next expansion.
This current wave of twinking really only came about because Blizzard opened up TW to level 10s and they were warned that the scaling would make this so broken.
Why? The idea of a lvl 1 twink was just as foundational as a 19 was back in classic. If anything they've made low lvls more lame than they used to be. Sure they do better with pve or players close to their level, but in the past, 1s used to rock players 30+ levels above them. Now we just miss anything that's more than 10 lvls above us. The gap is much more narrowed with duels, open world ganking, etc.
this didnt stop twinking in vanilla, tbc or wotlk and arguably wotlk was the golden age. though I agree, they should do this. The only people turning xp off are those interested in breaking the game or griefing other players. It would be a quick, easy solution to a ton of blizz's problems
Krater
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I don't think they should disable exp off, just saying they could. Personally I don't think it would be fair at this point to punish all the players who spent loads of time gearing up their twinks. I just think that their solution which punishes you for getting better gear in a gear-based RPG is dumb.
I'm not fully convinced that twinks running Group Finder dungeons is actually a big problem with the player-base, or if it's mainly a problem for blizz's ability to sell level boosts. They will probably piss off just as many people as they make happy if they nerf twinks. But if they really feel the need to do something, I think just disabling xp-off players from using Group Finder would be better than removing the xp-off system all together.
Although, as Cletus mentioned, this might just push everyone into 20s or 70s...I don't know what they could do about that.
Technically blizz could do both. Force everyone to 20 or 70. F2P cap and last expansion cap. Then eliminate methods for those “ xp-off “ players to participate in content like pve/pvp group finders.
OP
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I don't know about that.. loathing them as I do in group content, they are tremendously useful for batting trash for a target twink, or farming dungeons for... well, for anything.
I would like to see Blizz actually take the time to recalibrate scaling, or at worst, raise the LFD minimum level to 15 ifor TW's & leveling dungeons' if they absolutely MUST do something about boosting. Collective punishment for the entire playerbase is the absolute worst path to go down in search fo a solution, but considering the unbeliveable potencey of the Mythic raid geared 70's I'd seen in TW's, it does seem to be a logical balancing fix for them to go with code that recognizes gear
& scales the dungeon to punish the geared players.
It's antithetical to gear progression & last time I checked ( other than collecting things ) it's what the whole game is about, but remains the chosen solutioin.
Or you know, do a better job scaling shit. Not our fault the system's broken.
Make elemental force at 11 hit for like 5-10 dmg.
Scale gems down to +1 each.
Lifestealing reduce down to like 5-10 dmg and have it heal for 3.
Crusader reduce proc to like 15-20 each and heal for 5.
Go back to the old ilvl system where the best ilvl you could get at that time was around 15 for a 10, 25 for a 20, etc.
Incremental BiS upgrades was what made gearing satisfying, not throwing on 1 weapon with an enchant and deal 5x damage.
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Krater
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True, they could, but I don't think they should. 70s are already paying a sub, not sure if many would continue paying if they couldn't even run group dungeons or pvp. And 20s need to be able to experience enough of the game to make them want to upgrade to a paid subscription.
Im of the opinion that they should nuke dynamic level scaling altogether. its a neat idea thats only gone on to ruin not 1 but 3 of blizzards games. They wont, but they should. Absolutely no reason a level 10 or level 20 toon should even be walking into end game content, much less competing with level 80s. Lets twinks be small in a big world!
It entirely is. The ability to turn off xp was a result of blizzard throwing twinks a bone. specifically because we asked. And its all downstream from there.
Eleven
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TW dungeons are end game content?
I have had max lvl players 2 shot bosses in twing dungeons today.
I am on the fence about it now, there is something special about the pre scalling world that I miss, granted I can just go play cata for that fix. At the same time the idea of just giving up that much content also leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Blizz could remove all content from twinks except dueling and ppl would still twink just to duel each other. Thats how great the community is at the core.
hey man, i dont like stealing, so do i need to send you a check or are you just cool letting me live rent free in that brain of yours?
Eleven
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Instead of a check maybe you could pay me by carrying me thru a TW dungeon.
My IO and parses arent all that great so its tough to find groups, tryin to get that AOTW achievement.
What I'm saying is that it would take just a handful of people to fix these imbalances, but ActiBlizz is incompetent. The ability to turn exp off should exist because older expansions full of useful content exist. In an ideal scenario, there'd be some kind of incentive for people to lock exp at 30, 35, 40, etc to experience older content and possibly be the only way to unlock certain rewards, instead of max lvl players steamrolling it.
I get this and Im deeply sympathetic to the idea that people should get to go back and experience old content as more than a one-shot fest. Thats stuffs fun. Man, what I wouldnt give to go back and really experience 10 man Kara and ZA. What a blast. And I really dig your idea of making it necessary to lock xp to experience that stuff and get rewards, thats kinda cool. Like Herald of the Titans. Thats neat.
But when taken with all the problems locking xp also causes, I'm not sure thats the right answer. Its too late, now. But there are better ways to handle that. Its a real shame, because if someone who actually loved all the old content had been in charge, they could have done something really neat with it.